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Mr. HENDERSON. They hold it first by aboriginal possession and later by reservation set apart under treaty and later by an agreement made by the United States with them, known as the McLaughlin agreement, 1904.

Mr. JEFFERIS. How many Chippewa bands are supposed to be represented in this Chippewa General Council that is making this claim against the Red Lakes?

Mr. HENDERSON. I will enumerate them. There are seven or eight of them. There is the Fond-du-Lac

Mr. STEENERSON (interposing). Are they against the Red Lakers, Mr. Henderson?

Mr. HENDERSON. No; he said outside the Red Lakers.

Mr. STEENERSON. I understood him to ask for the tribes making the claim against the Red Lakers,

Mr. JEFFERIS. Yes.

Mr. HENDERSON. I did not understand the question. So far as I know the only bands that are making the claim against the Red Lakers are a part of the White Earth bands and there are quite a number of bnds on that reservation—and perhaps a part of the Fond-du-Lac. The White Earth reservation is the largest reservation in the State of Minnesota, I believe, and on that are located a number of the bands which constitute the Minnesota Chippewas—but not all of the White Earth bands, as I understand it, are setting up this contention with reference to the Red Lake property.

Mr. JEFFERIS. They set it up through the general council.

Mr. HENDERSON. They set it up through the general council, but they are not in accord with the general council always. For instance, I think I might say that the Pillager Bands, located on the White Earth Reservation, are not at all in accord with the contention of the general council. Perhaps a majority of the Fond-du-Lacs are; I do not know with reference to them; but I think I could safely say as to the others, the majority of them are not in accord with the contention of the general council with reference to the Red Lake claim.

Mr. STEENERSON. How about the full-blood faction?

Mr. HENDERSON. I should think the full-blood faction, as a class, are with the Red Lakes, rather than against them, throughout Minnesota.

Mr. STEENERSON. You were one of the attorneys for these 89 members of the Chippewa tribe that they sought to strike from the rolls some years ago?

Mr. HENDERSON. I represented all but one of them, I think, Mr. Steenerson.
Mr. STEENERSON. And who was the one you did not represent?
Mr. HENDERSON. Gus H. Beaulieu.
Mr. STEENERSON. And who represented him?
Mr. HENDERSON. Mr. Ballinger.
Mr. STEENERSON. And you represented 88?

Mr. HENDERSON. I represented all but one. I think 86 was the exact number, and I represented 85 of the 86; or, if there were 89, I represented 88 of the 89.

Mr. STEENERSON. And the money or property that was gained by your victory in that proceeding diminished the property and funds of the other Chippewas outside of those 89?

Mr. HENDERSON. Proportionately, as a matter of course.

Mr. STEENERSON. It was a proceeding that was hostile to all the other Indians so far as their money interests were concerned?

Mr. HENDERSON. So far as the amount of money they were each to receive.
Mr. STEENERSON. And how were you paid ?
Mr. HENDERSON. Poorly, sir.
Mr. STEENERSON. I do not mean that. Who paid you?

Mr. HENDERSON. I beg your pardon, sir. I was paid, so far as I was paid, by the individuals who were claiming the right to enrollment, but very few of them paid me.

Mr. STEENERSON. And you never did bring a bill to Congress to compel those who lost the case to pay the fees of the Indians who won?

Mr. HENDERSON. No, sir; I could not have done that, of course,

Mr. STEENERSON. That is the reason you have not collected all the fees that you ought to have?

Mr. HENDERSON. Well-
The CHAIRMAN (interposing). That is one of the reasons.

Mr. STEENERSON. I think that is all. I would like to ask Mr. Meritt a question. Mr. MERITT. Mr. Steenerson, before you leave with Mr. Henderson, I think it ould be proper to state to the committee that Mr. Henderson was not em

ployed as attorney for the Red Lake Indians until after the mixed-blood council and Attorney Ballinger had attacked the title to their lands, and then Mr. Henderson was employed at the request of the Red Lake Indians, and he was paid out of the Red Lake funds, and not out of the general funds of the Chippewa Indians.

Mr. STEENERSON. I have here a photostatic copy of the amount of money paid to the general council, not only to Mr. Ballinger but to the general council, that was sent me by you. I suppose you recall that?

Mr. MERITT. Yes, sir.
Mr. STEENERSON. That is correct, is it not?

Mr. MERITT. That letter is dated December 20, 1919, and there have been additional funds paid to the council since that time.

Mr. STEENERSON. But so far as it goes, it is correct?
Mr. MERITT. Yes, sir.

Mr. STEENERSON. I will read it a little later. I think that is all, Mr. Henderson.

Mr. LEATHERWOOD. I would like to ask Mr. Steenerson a question, if I may. Do I understand, Mr. Steenerson, it is your position that when the general council is called and convened by various factions of the tribe it is once convened and then dissolved and that is the end of it?

Mr. STEENERSON. Yes; that is my understanding of it. I will go into that a little later.

Mr. LEATHERWOOD. I just wanted to know what your position was. Is that your position?

Mr. STEENERSON. Yes; I do not think this organization here can properly be called a general council.

The CHAIRMAN. Notwithstanding the fact it has been recognized as such by the bureau for several years?

Mr. STEENERSON. That is the misfortune of it. Congress has recognized it. It should not have done so.

The CHAIRMAN. We have to deal with it as it is.

Mr. McCORMICK. Does not the majority rule apply there the same as in other places?

Mr. STEENERSON. I will go into that later.

STATEMENT OF MR. R. S. COLLINS.

Mr. STEENERSON. You are one of the Assistant Attorneys General ?
Mr. COLLINS. I am an attorney up there.
Mr. STEENERSON. Attorney in the Department of Justice?
Mr. COLLINS. Yes, sir.

Mr. STEENERSON. Did you look up the records in regard to the amount of money collected from various individuals under these suits which were brought some years ago?

Mr. COLLINS. Yes.

Mr. STEENERSON. Those that were paid under the Clapp Act? I think those were the cases, some thousand cases. Now, this letter to me was prepared under your directions?

Mr. COLLINS. Yes, sir; prepared by me.

Mr. STEENERSON. And you verified these amounts which were collected from these various individuals named?

Mr. COLLINS. Yes.
Mr. STEENERSON. What do those amounts represent?

Mr. COLLINS. Well, they represent amounts that persons have paid—at least, those two persons there have paid to the Government, who brought claim against it on behalf of the White Earth Indians, amounts they claimed were due from a man who has purchased an allotment from an Indian, and paid an inadequate consideration.

Mr. STEENERSON. And these are the sum's paid by these individuals because they had paid the Indians an inadequate sum?

Mr. COLLINS. Yes.
Mr. STEENERSON. And you brought suit to recover?
Mr. COLLINS. Yes; in some cases.

Mr. STEENERSON. I would like to read this:

DECEMBER 20, 1919. Mr. HALVOR STEENERSON,

House of Representatives. MY DEAR MR. STEENERSON : In compliance with your request of December 2, there are inclosed herewith detailed statements showing appropriations and expenditures on account of the General Council of Chippewa Indians of Minne sota subsequent to July 8, 1913, and including expenses of the council of July 8, 1919, paid to date. Very truly, yours,

E. B. MERITT, Assistant Commissioner. Mr. BURTNESS. Is that the lawyer, Beaulieu ? Mr. STEENERSON. No; I think that is his uncle.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, what is your purpose in putting that in the record, or do you want that to go in the record ?

Mr. STEENERSON. Yes, sir; I do.

I also want to read some of these items. Here is a statement, a photostatic copy prepared in the Indian Office, showing the amounts paid not only to Ballinger but to the other officers of this so-called general council. I will simply read the summary and attach this.

Statement of expenditures from the sum of $10,000 appropriated by the Indian

act for 1919, approved May 25, 1913 (40 Stats. L., 572), for council expenses, etc., of the Chippewa Indians of Minnesota.

Claim or settle

ment.

To whom paid.

For whom paid.

Purpose.

Amount.

307800 307800 307801

57967 308502 311261.

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311262.

...do.

311150..

311151.

Henry W. Warren.... Henry W. Warren.
.do..

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John W. Carl.

John W. Carl. ..do.

A. M. Hanson..
..do.

John W Carl.
Pennsylvania R.R. James I. Coffey
James I Coffey

do.
B. L. Fairbanks. B. L. Fairbanks.

...do..
Frank D. Beaulieu.. Frank D. Beaulieu.

.do.
Henry W. Warren. Henry W. Warren
.do..

.do.
John W. Carl

John W. Carl. ..do.

.do. National Hotel

.do.

Henry W. Warren..
John C. Morrison, jr.... John C. Morrison, jr.
B. L. Fairbanks

B. L. Fairbanks.
Webster Ballinger.. Webster Ballinger.

Stenographic service..
Pullman Co...

James I. Coffey:
F. H. Paquette and two

others.
National Hotel.. James I. Coffey.
do..

Henry Warren .do.

John W. Carl.
Webster Ballinger. Webster Ballinger.
...do...

..do.
National Hotel.. John W. Carl.
Frank D. Beaulieu. Frank D. Beaulieu.
Paul Beaulieu.. Paul Beaulieu...
John W. Carl..

John W. Carl..

$180.00

96.26 370.00

50.00 165. 40

32.32 129. 42 190.00 180.36 285.00 275.51 700.00

93. 75 1,050.00

4.00 419. 32 241.77 152.13

349.74 1,500.00 184. 25

6. 10 21.00

311152.

Per diem..
Traveling expenses..
Per diem..
Stenographer..
Traveling expenses..
Railroad fare.
Traveling expenses..
Per diem..
Traveling expenses..
Per diem..
Traveling expenses..
Per diem...
Hotel expense...
Per diem..
Stenographer...
Board and lodging,etc.

..do..
Traveling expenses.
Per diem
Services.
Stenographic service.
Pullman fare.

.do...
Board and lodging,etc.

.do.
Services.

..do..
Lodgings, etc.
Traveling expenses..

do..
Salary.
Traveling expenses...

..do.
Salary
Services.

308459. 308460 311476.

do.

59161..

..do..

315931.

.....do..

61440. 61441. 31593la. 319187 305356. 313021.

92.50 254.95 389. 42 500.00 500.00

3.00 239.35

54.04 440.00 239.35 130. 45 360. 10 50.00

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Statement of expenditures during fiscal year 1919 from the general fund of

the Chippewa Indians of Minnesota, appropriated by the Indian act approved May 25, 1918 (40 Stats. L., 573), on account of Chippewa delegates.

Claim.

To whom paid.

For whom paid.

Purpose.

Amount.

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Various delegations.....Board and lodging..
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James I. Coffey

Traveling expenses..
Various delegates.

Board and lodging.

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Board..
James I. Coffey.

Traveling expenses..
Various delegates. Board and lodging.
T. H. Beaulieu.

Traveling expenses.
E. M. Wilson.
John La Prairie.

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John Arten.

.do. Chas. A. Wakefield.

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Sam Tonce..

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E, M. Wilson,
Sam Tonce..

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$1, 499.68

989. 40

82. 14 516, 27 624, 14 525. 71 179.95 138.35 615.59 34. 87 39. 04 10.50 27. 60 91. 26 68. 62 73. 94 62. 64 5. 00

.....do.

...do.

Total.

5,584. 70

Statement of expenditures from the sum of $1,500 appropriated for 1915 by

the act approved Aug. 1, 1914 (38 Stats. L., 591), from the tribal fund of the Chippewa Indians of Minnesota for council and delegation expenses already incurred.

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Various delegates.... Traveling expenses..
Gus. H. Beaulieu, John Lodging, etc.
W. Carl.
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Geo. A. Berry.

258697a. 266726.

23669. 257925.

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Geo. A. Berry.
C. C. Wright..
Gus H. Beaulieu.

Traveling expenses..
C.C. Wright..

Stenographic service.
John W. Carl, Gus H. Traveling expenses.

Beaulieu.
Geo. A. Berry, Jack

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Rabbit.

2.75 48.72 58.00 136.90

258058..

C. H. Beaulieu..

264. 25

Total....

1, 132. 70

Statement of expenditures from the sum of $1,500 appropriated by the Indian

act approved Aug. 1, 1914 (38 Stat. L., 592), from the tribal fund of the Chippewa Indians of Minnesota for council and delegation expenses.

Claim or set

tlement.

To whom paid.

For whom paid.

Purpose.

Amount.

Traveling expenses.

263859. 263860. 269859. 270025 263860.

08.

Joseph C. Roy.
John G. Morrison..
Joseph A. Morrison.
John G. Morrison

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Edw. L. Rodgers.

Joseph C. Roy.
Various delegates..
Joseph A. Morrison.
Various delegates.

.do.
Edw. L. Rodgers..

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$28. 27 1, 170.99

13. 42 46.90 28. 50 13.06

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Total.....

1,301. 14

Statement of expenditures from the sum of $10,000 appropriated from the

Chippewa tribal funds by the Indian act approved June 30, 1919 (Public, No. 3, p. 13), for 1920 on account of councils, delegations, etc., to Dec. 15, 1919.

Claim or set

tlement.

To whom paid.

For whom paid.

Purpose.

Amount.

i.....do..

.....do.

320952. 321352. 321255. 321245. 321626. 321625. 321244. 321417 321628. 321018. 320749. 320951 322105. 322708. 322546. 319189. 319188. 319188. 322884. 323148 331045. 322883 322885 322887. 322888. 322543. 323149. 322886 323501. 323500. 320796 1. 321627.

John G. Morrison, jr.
Theo. B. Beaulieu..
B. L. Fairbanks...
Joe Louis...
Paul H. Beaulieu
John W. Carl..
Alexis Bushman.
Joe Morrison.
Paul H. Beaulieu.
E. L. Rogers..
Webster Ballinger.
Paul H. Beaulieu
Cooper & Cooper.
Webster Ballinger

.do.
John Arten..
E. L. Rogers.

do..
A. J. Bisson.
Julius H. Brown.
E. P. Wakefield.
C. W. Morrison..
Mrs. Emma Bisson..
M. A. Visenor..
William Rice.
John W. Carl.
(E. L. Rogers.

....do.
H. J. Spry
Webster Ballinger.

do....
J. I. Coffey...
Paul H. Beaulieu.

John C. Morrison, jr..... Traveling expenses..
Theo. B. Beaulieu.
Ben. L. Fairbanks..

..do..
Joe Louis.

.do.
Paul H. Beaulieu.

Per diem..
John W. Carl.

.do.
Alexis Bushman Traveling expenses.
Joe Morrison
Paul H. Beaulieu.

...do.
E. L. Rogers..

.do.
Webster Ballinger. Legal services
Paul H. Beaulieu. Traveling expenses.
Cooper & Cooper Legal services
Webster Ballinger. Traveling expenses.
T. 0. Wans'even.. Preparation of map.
John Arten....

Per diem..
E. L. Rogers.

..do..

Traveling expenses.
A. J. Bisson...

.do.
Julius H. Brown.

..do.. E. P, Wakefield.

do.. C. W. Morrison..

..do.
Mrs. Emma Bisson.

...do..
M. A. Visenor.
William Rice..

..do.
John W. Carl.

Per diem.
E. L. Rogers.

.do..
do.

Traveling expenses.
H. J. Spry.

.do..
Webster Ballinger.

.do...
.do..

Delegation expenses.
J. I. Coffey..

Traveling expenses.
Paul H. Beaulieu. Salary..

$23. 41 15. 59 29. 15 26. 28 600.00 540.00 27.05 16.05 128. 82

23. 18 2,830.23 196. 14

41. 80 134.50

30.00 390.00 140.00 114. 21

8. 20 17. 64 14. 34 16. 79 34.92 16.79 16.79 175.00 105.00 197. 48

16.79 140. 50 81. 95 30. 33 250.00

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Total..

6, 428.93

1 Pending with Auditor for Interior Department.

Statement of expenditures from the sum of $6,000 appropriated by the act ap

proved May 18, 1916, from the Chippewa tribal fund for council and delegation expenses for the fiscal years 1915, 1916, and 1917.

Claim or set

tlement.

To whom paid.

For whom paid.

Purpose.

Amount.

287767.

11.25

286015. 286526 291814. 290863 290831 292186 292185 291537 296505. 296909 292375 292569.

National Hotel

Gus. H. Beaulieu, Wm. Lodging, etc......

Madison.
Gus H. Beaulieu.. Gus H. Beaulieu.. Traveling expenses..
Wm. Madison.
Wm. Madison..

..do..
Frank D. Beaulieu. Frank D. Beaulieu.

...do.
Wm. Madison..
Wm. Madison..

..do.
B. L. Fairbanks.
B. L. Fairbanks.

.do.
John B. Warren.
John B. Warren..

.do.
Eugene J. Warren. Eugene J. Warren.

..do.
Jas. McIntosh.
Jas. McIntosh

..do.
Wm. Lufkins.
Wm. Lufkins.

.do.
John Munnell
John Munnell.

...do..
Frank Martin.
Frank Martin.

..do..
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Markham Hotel... Var. Del..

Lodging, etc.
David Ruttle.
David Ruttle.

Traveling expenses..
W. 0. Coffey.
W. 0. Coffey.

...do..
Henry La Prairie. Henry La Prairie.

..do.
Joe Louis...
Joe Louis..

..do.
Joe Fisher.
Joe Fisher.

do...
Union Restaurant. Various delegates.. Lodging, etc..
Stephen Caswell. Stephen Caswell. Traveling expenses.
Grand Central Cafe. Various delegates. Lodging, etc..
Challenge Hotel..

.do..

.do. Grand Central Cafe..

.do.

Meals.

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9.67 80. 40 28. 55 268.00 32. 39 19.00

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