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ogy so as to read “breach of promise ing out the words “ of himself and the verbatim---certainly in substance-in to marry."

State," and inserting before the word the Constitution of the United States. Mr. FERRIS. I modify my amend- “defense," the word “common;" so I now allude to this section as well as ment by substituting those words. A that the section will read: “Every sections 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 13 and 14. marriage promise I suppose is broken person has a right to bear arms for the I wish to suggest the question whether when a man deserts his wife; but a common defense." : . is it is necessary to repeat in our Constipromise to marry is broken when a I do not know what construction tution the guarantees which are alman refuses to fulfill such a promise. might be put upon the language of ready placed in the Constitution of the

The PRESIDENT. The motion of this section as it stands; but I know at United States, which is the supreme the gentleman from Kent, as reduced one time, when the proposition was law of the land, anything in our Con-to writing, is in these words: Insert in made in the Legislature to pass a law stitution, or out of it, to the contrary the second line of section fifteen, after prohibiting the carrying of concealed notwithstanding. the word “trust," the words " or breach weapons, it was objected that such a In regard to the provision in the... of promise to marry." :

law would be in conflict with this pro- United States Constitution, as to the Mr. PRINGLE. I move to amend vision of the Constitution. It seems suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, the amendment by striking out the to me that in these days, when the law that provision is contained in the artiwords "breach of," so that the clause of the pistol and bowie-knife prevails cle on the legislative department of the will read, “except in case of fraud, or to a great extent, there should be re- United States; and, hencé, some doubt breach of trust or promise to marry.” served to the Legislature the power to has arisen whether it was intended to

Mr, FERRIS. I accept that as a provide that men shall not go abroad apply to anything beyond the action modification of my amendment.. carrying concealed weapons at their of Congress. But the other provisMr. LOTHROP. I would suggest pleasure.

sions relating to the same subjects as that the word “of," should be repeat- The amendment was agreed to. : those embraced in this section are coned, so that the language will read: “or SUBORDINATION OF THE MILITARY POWER. tained in other articles of the Constiof promise to marry."

The next section was read as follows: tution of the !

lows tution of the United States. The proMr. LOVELL. I concur in the sug

vision that " no bill of attainder, ex-.. gestion of the gentleman from Wayne, and at all times, be in strict subordination to post facto law, or law impairing the (Mr. LOTHROP.) the civil power. .

obligation of contracts," shall be passa Mr. FERRIS. I modify my amend- Mr. MILES. I move to amend this ed, is also contained in the article on ment by inserting the word "of," as section by striking out the words “in the legislative department. Yet it is suggested.

all cases and at all times." :: repeated in substance in another article, The amendment of Mr. FERRIS, as Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH. I where it is provided that no State modified, was adopted

move to amend by adding at the end shall pass any such law. The other Mr. LOVELL. I do not know that of the section, “except in times of war.” provisions are found in the amendI understand the full force of the last Mr. MILES. The amendment of ments to the Constitution of the United clause of this section, which reads the gentleman from Oakland, (Mr. States. For instance, article third of thus: “No person shall be imprisoned VAN VALKENBURGH,) is not an amend- the amendments provides in language for a militia fine in time of peace.” It ment to my amendment. The object almost identical with that of this secseems to me that a person should of my amendment was to shorten the tion, that “no soldier shall in time of never be imprisoned for a militia fine section, retaining the same force that peace be quartered in any house witheven in time of war. There are other it now has.

Jout the consent of the owner, nor in means of constraining & person, it 1 The CHAIRMAN. The amendment time of war but in a manner to be

The CHAIRMAN. The amendmen necessary. I move, therefore, to amend of the gentleman from Oakland, not prescribed by law." Then again, artiby striking out the words “in time of being an amendment to the amend-cle fourth of the amendments to the

ment of the gentleman from St. Clair, Constitution of the United States is The amendment of Mr. LOVELL was (Mr. MILES,) will be reserved until identical in substance, though not prenot agreed to.

the vote shall have been taken on the cisely in language, with section ten of COMPETENCY OF WITNESSES...

amendment of the gentleman from St. this article. The next section was read as follows: Clair.

The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will SECTION. 16. No person shall be rendered

The amendment of Mr. MILES was inquire whether the gentleman from incompetent to be a witness on account of agreed to. :

Van Buren has any motion to make." his opinions on matters of religious belief. The amendment of Mr. VAN VALKEN-1 Mr. BLACKMAN. I have no motion

Mr. PRINGLE. It appears to me BURGH was not agreed to.... I to make. As I stated, I merely wish that the substance of this section is


to call the attention of the Convention entirely covered by section three, which

to this point, that it may be considered provides that “the civil and religious

The next section was read as follows:

whether it is necessary to repeat in our rights, privileges and capacities of no

SECTION 19. No soldier shall, in time of

peace, be quartered in any house without the Date VOUSUUUULOL.wese guarantees individual shall be diminished or en

nished. or en- consent of the owner or occupant, nor in which are already inserted in the Conlarged, on account of his opinions or time of war, except in a manner prescribed stitution of the United States. belief concerning matters of religion.” by law.

I The CHAIRMAN. There is no mo. I move that this section be stricken Mr. BLACKMAN. I do not wish to 1

otion pending out. . .

Toifer anò amendment to this section; 1 : Mr P. D. WARNER. I move that The motion was agreed to.

wish simply to call the attention of the

of the the committee rise, report progress and

committee to a single point in connec; RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.

| ask leave to sit again. tion with it, that it may be decided The next section was read as follows:

The motion was not agreed to. ! whether the matter is deserving of any SECTION 17. Every person has a right to bear arms for the defense of bimself and the

consideration. I find that in regard : REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES, &C... State.

to this section and several sections The next section was read as follows: Mr. CROSWELL, (the President.) which have been already passed, the SECTION 20. The people have the right I move to amend this section by strik. same language is contained almost peaceably to assemble together, to consult för


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the common good, to instruct their · Reprë- "There shall be neither slavery nor invol.think the section will then express exc
sentatives, and to petition the Legislature for untary servitude in the said territory, other-

actly what we intend. : :
redress of grievances...
. wise than in the punishment of crime."

Mr. NORRIS. The committee on
Mr. ALEXANDER. · I move to This is the language which has been

en arrangement and phraseoloy, can at-
amend by striking out the words, “ for transmitted to us by the men whol tend to that matter..!!!
redress of grievances.” . ..1 framed that ordinance. Its language Mr. LONGYEAR. Yes, sir. I pres .

The amendment was not agreed to. is not only time-honored, but well un-ome that the mill make the necessary
Mr. WILLARD. I desire to suggest derstood and well settled by construc-

correction. .
that the word "together," after the tion. I can see no reason for depart-
word “assemble," in this section, is su-ling from it."

RIGHTS OF ALIENS... perfluous, and is not in accordance with Mr. BLACKMAN. One reason The next section was read as follows: the time-honored language of the Con-1 which I had in offering the substitute / SECTION 22. Aliens who are, or mar herestitution of the United States. It may was that I thought it expressed in after become bona fide residents of this Sate,

ho shall enjoy the same rights in respect to the add a little to the euphony of the sec- fewer words and more, directly the.

| possession, enjoyment and ipheritance of tion, but it adds nothing to its meaning: Iwhole idea that was designed to be ex- | property as native born citizens. I moye that the word “together" be pressed. I will state also another rea- Mr. HENDERSON. I do not rise to : stricken out.

son. I am aware that the language make a motion for amendment. I have: The motion was not agreed to. . embraced in the section is time-hon-not examined the section to see. SLAVERY.

ored; and I hesitated somewhat on whether it is in the same language as.. The next section was read, as follows: that account to offer my amendment; the present. Constitution. SECTION 21. Neither slavery nor involun- but that language seems to me to im- Mr. NORRIS. It is. tary servitude, vpless for the punishment of ply that slavery may be allowed as a Mr. HENDERSON. It seems to me crime, shall ever be tolerated in this State. punishment for crime. It seems to me that the end desired would be accom:

Mr. BLACKMAN. I move the fol the necessary import of the words of plished, unless we specially desire to lowing as a substitute for this section: the section, that we might by law es- call the attention of aliens to this mat"Slavery shall not be tolerated in this tablish a system by which we would ter, by striking out the words-66 aliens State."

impose upon individuals slavery as a who are or may hereafter become,.". Mr. LOTHROP. I do not see that punishment for crime. I am aware and inserting before the words “bona that is any better than the old form. That the form of language adopted in fide,the word " all;" so that the sec

Mr. BILLS. I move to amend the the section is the same which was fol- tion will read: «Allbona fide residents
section by striking out the words, lowed in the amendment récently of this State shall enjoy the same
“ unless for the punishment of crime," ladopted to the Constitution of the rights" &c
so that the section shall read:"Neither United States. I am also aware that Mr. WILLIAMS. I find that the
slavery nor involuntary servitude shall certain States in the South have put word “who," as contained in the pres-
over be tolerated in this State." upon it the construction which I have ent Constitution, is omitted in the

Mr. WILLARD. I hope that the I just mentioned, and have commenced section as here reported. I will sug-
genileman from Lenaweo will with-in practice to make slavery the penalty/gest that the section be amended by
draw his amendment. I think he has for the commission of certain offenses inserting before the word 6 may,” the
not taken into consideration a certain -thus evading the true intention of word “who;" so that the clause will
class of cases which occur under our that amendment. That any such thing read: “or who may hereafter become
present law. Children sentenced to will eventually prove successful, I have bona fide residents.”
the reform school may, under our pres- no fear; but I think it best that we The CHAIRMAN. That amendment -
ent laws, be bound out until they are should use language which shall be will be made if there be no objection.
21 years of age, or until discharged by perfectly, clear and free from the Mr. THOMPSON. I obiect.
the board of control. This might be liability to misconstruction.

Mr. WILLIAMS. If there is objec-
considered, in one sense, an involun- Mr. BILLS. After reflection, I tion, I withdraw the proposition.
tary servitude.

I think that the substitute of the Mr. MILES. I move to amend by Mr. GIDDINGS. Is it any more gentleman from Van Buren, is per- striking out in this section the words involuntary servitude than the servi- haps all that we need on this sub- " who are or may hereafter become tude of apprentices?

ject. I see objections which might bona fide residents of this State." Mr. BILLS. I am not inclined to arise to the amendment which I have We have many foreigners residing withdraw my amendment for the rea- proposed. One is, as already suggested, l in this State who may die and leave son suggested by the gentleman from that it is necessary, in punishing crimes, their property to persons residing in Calhoun, (Mr. WILLALD.) If that rea- to enforce involuntary servitude. The Germany, Ireland, or any other foreign son is good in support of his sugges- purpose which I had in view, will be country from which they have come. tion, it would apply equally to all pa- fully reached by the substitute. I, J and under our laws such person's have rental government over minors. We therefore, withdraw the amendment. the right to inherit property, although all demand, sometimes, involuntary! The question being taken on the they may never have seen our State. I servitude, where a child will not listen substitute proposed by Mr. BLACKMẠN, I do not see any reason for the insertion to reason... it was not agreed to.

of the words which 1 propose to strike Mr. CHAPIN. I would suggest Mr. LONGYEAR. It appears to me out. whether there are not some persons in that there is force in the suggestion, The amendment of Mr. MILES was. the city of Jackson, who are in a state that this section, as it stands, might not agreed to. 01 voluntary servitude: mean simply that slavery may be imposed in Mr. D. GOODWIN. I move to strike those serving our sentences of the punishment of crime. But the whole out this whole section. I do not courts.

difficulty, in this respect, seems to me, see any utility in inserting this provi. Mr. Lolabot. hold in my to arise from the insertion of the com. Ision in the Constitution. This maita hand & copy of the time-honored ordi- ma after the word “servitude," instead Iter may be regulated by law, and nance 011701911. Which the prohibi- l of after the word "slavery.". If that is already so regulated. We have tion of slavery is embodied, in this change in the punctuation be made, I statutory enactment on this subject language:

gem. EmWILLARD, I hope that i upomnite Skates in the South Ware that VC.LT
draw his amendment. ween will, with just mentioned, and then which I have word " who,” as contain

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in consider the nations, www people of

To incorporate in the Constitution a same rights, in respect to the possession, I The motion was agreed to. permanent provision of this kind might enjoyment and inheritance of property.”.

So the committeo rose, and the | Mr. LOVELL. It seems to me that PRESIDENT having resumed the chair.. possibly subject us to some inconve- ? nience. There may be times when it we cannot very well adopt this amend. Mr. CONGER reported that the com. : would not be desirable to have such a ment, because we should thereby inter, mittee of the whole, having had under

inkl fere with our modes of taxation. It consideration the article entitled « Bill it wisest to leave the matter entirely seems to

| seems to me that if there is any object of Rights,” had made some progress within the power of the Legislature. in retaining such a section as this, i

therein, and had directed him to ask Elit is. as an invitation to aliens to that the committee have leave to sit Mr. STOUGHTON. I can see but com

No. 1. can see, but come and settle among us. I do one consideration in favor of striking

do again. km not agree with the suggestion of the 19th cest out this section, and whether that is

the suggestion of the The question being, “Shall the com

gentleman from Jackson, (Mr. PRINGLE,) mittee have leave to sit again?". sufficient is a matter of very grave that Englishmen, Irishmen, Germans,


Leave was granted... doubt in my mind. I can conceive a and other foreigners come here in all, Mr. PRINGLE.


I move that the case in which it might be, perhaps, ae- cases to be American citizens. Wel continentalni sirable for the government to have the found during the late war, especially! The motion was agreed to; and the power to retaliate in certain contingencies. If we should be engaged in war that there were among us a great many lo'clock p. m.,) took a recess until three

under the operation of the draft laws, Convention (at five minutes after one with a foreign government, and if that laliens whom we had never regarded lo'clock p. m. government should unjustly imprison las aliens before.

. our citizens or confiscate their property, 'I do not regard this section as of it might be not only desirable, but

Luany very great importance; but if we necessary, to retaliate in such cases. retain it. Iet it be as an invitation to .:AFTERNOON SESSION. Such retaliation would be prevented

foreigners to come and enjoy the same by a provision of this kind. This is

18 18 rights as we do with reference to pron. The Convention re-assembled at 31 the only reason that I can conceive for an

erty, although they may not be citi

i o'clock p. m., and was called to order.. . striking out the section." Whether it is

| by the PRESIDENT. zens. a sufficient reason, I am not quite sat

The amendment of Mr. P. D. WAR-1 The roll was called, and a quorum isfied in my own mind. NER was not agreed to..

answered to their names. Mr. PRINGLE. I cannot see much! The question being taken on the mo : . LEAVE OF ABSENCE. weight in the suggestion of the gentle- tion of Mr. D. GOODWIN, to strike out Mr. ALDRICH asked and obtained man from St. Joseph, (Mr. STOUGHTON.) the section, it was not agreed to.

indefinite leave of absence for himself, From the natural course of emigra

PROPERTY TAKEN FOR PUBLIC USE. on account of sickness in his family. tion, it is to be expected that Irishmen,

Sol Mr. LEACH asked and obtained in. . . Scotchmen, Germans and people of The next section was read as follows:1, other foreign nations, will come here ! SECTION 23. The property of no person / defnite leave of absence for himself, in considerable numbers with a view shall be taken for public use, without just | diter-to-day.

compensation therefor." of enjoying the benefit of our in-1 Mr. MCCLELLAND. : I move to ltained indefinite leave of absence for stitutions. They do not come here as

amend this section by adding at the himself, after to-day.. foreigners or aliens, but with the in

end the words “to be paid or secured Mr. PARSONS asked and obtained tention of becoming bona fide residents :

in such manner as shall be provided indefinite leave of absence for himself, of the State. This being the fact, i Tact, by law."

after to-day. whether they have filed their declara

1. Mr. ALEXANDER. I move to l Mr. GERMAIN asked and obtained tions to become citizens or not, it.

amend the amendment by adding indefinite leave of absence for himself, would be no retaliation upon any for-41

thereto the words “and such compen- after to-day...: eign government to confiscate their

er sation shall be without deduction for Mr. COOLIDGE asked and obtained property in any event. After these

benefit to any property of the owner." leave of absence for himself, after tomen have settled in our State, the

e Mr. Chairman, I offer this amend- day, until the 3d of July, countries from which they came have.

ment for the purpose of obviating the Mr. LOTHROP asked and obtained no further interest in them than if they

they difficulties which are constantly ex- leave of absence for himself, after: to.. were not natives of those countries

les perienced throughout the State in con- day, until the 3d of July. The governments to which they were

were sequence of difference of opinion, Mr. DUNCAN asked and obtained .. formerly subject, would perhaps force arising in regard to the basis of the lindefinite leave of absence for himself them to do military duty if they should return to their native land; but in other

valuation of property taken for public after to-day.

use. It frequently happens that the Mr. MCCONNELL asked and obrespects they are hardly regarded as

persons to whom the assessment is left, tained leave of absence for himself subjects of those nations. These im

in determining the amount of compen- after to-day, until the 3d of July. migrants do not come here as men go

sation to be made, take into considera- Mr. F. C. WATKINS asked and to Mexico and some other places, to

Sabotion the supposed benefits to be de-obtained indefinite leave of absence for make fortunes and then leave. They rived by the party owning the prop himself. come here to enjoy our free institutions;

erty, in consequence of its appropria- Mr. CHAPIN asked and obtained and it seems to me impossible that we

tion to the public use. The amend- indefinite leave of absence for himself, should regard and treat them as sub

ment which I propose will put at rest after to-day. jects of some foreign country, and on

such questions, and will make the rule Mr. CONGER. I rise to move that that ground subject them to measures of

of valuation uniform throughout the indefinite leave of absence be granted of retaliation. State.

to the members generally, I suppose. Mr. P. D. WARNER. I move to Mr. LOTHROP. I move that the it is not necessary to take up time by. amend the section so as to read as foll'committee rise, report progress, and granting leave to each member sep lows:

ask leave to sit again. It is now one arately. This Convention has refused All residents of this state shall enjoy the o'clock

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adjourn from this evening until the our business, I am in favor of doing have fixed a day of adjournment at so third or ninth of July, and I suppose so; but of course, if it appears that we short a distance in the future, a suffiit is useless to attempt to reconsider shall soon be without a quorum, then cient number of members might remain that matter. But we can, at least, we may as well prepare ourselves to here to transact business. I see no shorten our work somewhat by grant- go home at once.

necessity for members contiually ing a general leave of absence to the Mr. ROOT. This morning seventy dropping off now, when we have only members, and allowing the Convention members were present. I have counted two or three days longer to stay here to go on with its business. [Laugh- over twenty who have asked leave of before the recess of the Convention. It ter.] However, I believe I will with absence since that time. This is all I may be a great accommodation to some draw my motion. know about it...

members to go home to-day, but for my . Mr. BARBER. I would suggest part I know that members residing in RECESS OF THE CONVENTION..

that the Secretary call the roll inform the section of the State where I live Mr. THOMPSON. I the tally has ally, so that members who are present cannot get home this week; at least I been correctly kept, there are only and intend to remain can respond. I cannot, and I have made my calculaforty-eight members here who havel Mr. ALEXANDER. As there really tions to stay here until the day fixed not been excusedless than a quorum. I seems to be an intention on the part for the adjournment. I had supposed 1, therefore, move that when we adjourn of the Convention to adjourn, if I can that day was finally fixed. I did not this evening, it be to meet on the ninth ljudge from present appearances, and suppose that members were to be conday of July.

as we have only a short time remain-tinually harping on this question. I ... . Mr. BILLS. I hope that, if this ing to prepare for leaving in the train, think it is unreasonable for any memmotion is to prevail, it may prevail im- I do hope that we shall be permitted ber to broach this subject in the Con.. : mediately; because there are very Ito vote on this question promptly, I vention now. many members hero who I apprehend/ Mr. MCCLELLAND. In order to Mr. LAMB. I call for the yeas and would be glad to start for their homes test the question whether there is a nays on my amendment. on this afternoon's train. Indeed, it lauorum present. I call the veas and The yeas and nays were not ordered. would be necessary for them to do so nays on the motion of the gentleman The amendment of Mr. LAMB was not to reach home before Sunday. A from Hillsdale, (Mr. THOMPSON.):..Jagreed to...

Mr. LAMB. I understand the gen- The veas and nays were ordered. The question recurred on the motion tleman from Hillsdale, (Mr. THOMPSON,) | Mr. HENDERSON. I suggest that of Mr. THOMPSON. to state that there are only forty-eight the Secretary is probably not able to The yeas and nays were taken, and the members now in attendance. That give all the information asked for by motion was not agreed to, there being number being less than a quorum, I the gentleman from Branch, (Mr. BAR-yeas 22, nays 36, as follows: make the point of order, whether we |BER:) vet we need all that information.' YEAS-Messrs. Aldrich, Alexander, Bills, can adopt a motion to adjourn over. It is important that we know how

Daniells, Duncan, Farmer, Germain, Hixson, Mr THOMPSON. I did not state many will remain here to do business, Morton, Parsons, Root, T. G. Smith, Stock

Hull, Huston, Leach, Lothrop, McConnell, that there were only that number pres- before voting on this question.

well, Thompson, Van Riper, White and the ent. I said that the number of those The PRESIDENT." The Secretary | President-22. who had not been excused, amounted informs the Chair that there are forty- Bradley, Brown, Burtensbaw, Case, Chap

NAYS-Messrs. Andrus, Barber, Blackman, to only forty-eight.'

five members who have not been man, Conger, Corbin, Ferris, Hazen, Hen.. The PRESIDENT. The Chair would excused.

derson, Holmes, Holt, Lamb, Lovell, Luce, * Bay in reference to the point of order Mr. CONGER. There were yesterday | Prinola Raptor Richmond''Sheldon Stoughi

McClelland, Viles, Massey, Ninde, Norris, raised by the gentleman from Lapeer, seventy-two members here, I believe. ton, Sutherland, Tyler, Utley, Van Valken. (Mr. LAMB,) that a quorum is presum- Since that time over twenty have gone burgh, Walker, 1. C. Watkins, Willard and ed to be present at every days' session, away, while, I presume, about twenty

Williams-36. unless the contrary appears. On this have returned. Some gentlemen came

1 Mr. WHITE, when his name was · question, the vote can be taken by yeas in this morning. It would not be at ca

mot het called, said: I desire to explain the und if it should then appear all surprising. I suppose, it enough reason for my voto. I wish to accom- ::

orum is present, the point should come in to give us seventy-five modato gentlemen of the Convention raised by the gentleman from Lapeer lor eighty members for the transaction who desire to go home and who have would be well taken..

of business to-morrow. (Laughter.] uot aad

Lanchter not had leave of absence. I therefore Mr. MUSSEY. I desire to ask the Mr. LAMB.' I move to amend the

3I move to amend the voto "aye.” . Chair to decide another question, motion of the gentleman from Hills-1

Om Hilla-/ Mr. THOMPSON, when his name whether a member is not recognized dale by striking out the 9th of July, 1

out the 9th of July was called, said: Mr. President, I deas a member, and required to vote, so and inserting in lieu thereof the 14th

thereof the 17th siro to remain here by all means, if we long as he is within the bar of the Con-l of August.

can have a quorum for the transaction Tention. .. . | Mr. CASE. I believe we have al

of business. I have made this motion The PRESIDENT. The impression ready occupied one whole

SILENT. The impression ready occupied one whole day at one under the belief that there will not be of the Chair is, that the privilège of time on this question of adjournment,

a quorum here after to-day, and for the leave of absence does not commence besides considerable time at other pe- purpose of

purposo of giving members who desire to operate until the member has left/riods. It seems to me that to be con- to go home, an opportunity to leave in the Convention.

tinually harping upon this question of the arternoon's train, I vote “aye. Mr. BARBER. Before voting on adjournment is to say the least, bovg'! The result of the vote was announced this question, I would like to know play. I, for one, am tired of it. I be-l as above stated. from the Secretary, whether the gen- lieve we at one time adopted a resolu

ORDER OF BUSINESS. tleman from Hillsdale, (Mr. THOMP- tion that no member should be granted Mr. LOVELL. I ask unanimous BON,) is correct in his statement, that leave of absence without assigning some consent to mako a motion that the rethere will not be a quorum after the sufficient reason; and the law provides, ports of the committee on intoxicating members who have obtained leave of I believe, that the reason shall be sick. liquors be made the special order for absence shall have left. If we can keep ness of the member himself or of his the tenth day of July next. . . & quorum here, and go on transacting family. It seems to me that whan wol Mr. NORRIS and others objected. ..



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Mr. MCCLELLAND. Does it not prehend it should have been presented we shall not be able to adjourn except · require a two-thirds vote to make a as a motion to discharge the commit from day to day. special order?

tee of the whole from the further con- Mr. ALEXANDER. When this quesThe PRESIDENT. À two-thirds sideration of the subject. When this tion arose I was about to ask leave of vote of those present is necessary to has been done, a majority, according (absence for myself until the third of. suspend the rules. But only a major- to my view, can make the question a July. I now ask for that leave. ity vote is required to mako any sub- special order for any time they may The PRESIDENT. Leave of abject a special order for a certain day. choose.

sence will be granted unless objection A two-thirds yote, however, would be The PRESIDENT. The Chair is of be made. required to make a question the the opinion that a majority vote can at Mr. LUCE. I object to granting any special order for a certain hour on any any time make a pending question a more leave of absence. day. Does the gentleman from Gen- special order for a day specified. The Mr. MORTON. I move to lay the esee, (Mr. LOVELL,) move a suspension rule in Congress is different from the objection on the table. (Laughter.] of the order of business that the Con- rulo prevailing here. As has been Mr. LUCE. I voted this afternoon vention may resume the consideration stated by the gentleman from Jackson, as I have heretoforo voted, against of motions and resolutions ? .: |(Mr. PRINGLE,) we have, upon our an adjournment, supposing that we

Mr. LOVELL. Yes, sir, I make that regular order of business, an order en- had already 'fixed that onestion. motion.

titled “Special Orders of the Day;" But if I knew now thąt we could Mr. MCCLELLAND. With the per- and, in the judgment of the Chair, a not have a quorum here after tomission of the President, I desire to majority vote can at any time make a day, I should like to reconsider the say one word in regard to the practice subject that may be before the Conven- vote we have taken, so that by in Congress with reference to making tion & special order for a particular agreeing to an adjournment we may special orders. I do not know what is day. But, to make a subject a special all get leave of absence and go homo. the rule in our Legislature; but I refer order for a particular hour of the day If there were any method of arriving the President to page 171 of Barclay's would require a two-thirds vote, be- at a knowledge of the fact whether Manual, where he will find the fol- cause that would be, in effect, an inter- there will be a quorum in attendanco lowing:

ference with the regular order of busi- to-morrow, and on Monday, and Tues

ness of the Convention. In Congress day to transact business, we should "Special orders are made under a suspen. sion of the rules. Journal, 1, 31, 1176. [And

they have no daily order of business then know what to do. I have risen of course (upless unanimous consent is given entitled

entitled “Special Orders;" and
"Special Orders; and 1

it to make a suggestion, that we settle for the purpose-Journal, 1, 30, p. 580,) can would be an interference with the this question as we did this morning only be made when a motion to suspend the rules is in order.'']

regular order of business to make a in regard to accepting the invitation to "The House may, at any time, by a vote of question the special order, either for a go to Detroit. In other words, I proa majority of the members present, make any day or an hour certain; and therefore pose that those intending to remain of the general appropriation bills a special

cual it could not be done there in either here answer to their names as the clerk quires a two-thirds vote to make a special case without a two-thirds vote. . calls the roll informally; or that they order, it being a change of the established Mr. P. D. WARNER. I desire to rise, so that we may know how many order of business-Journals, 1, 23, p. 785; linanire whether the subiect embraced there are. It is desirable that we 3, 27, p. 355; 1, 31, p. 1096,"

in the motion of the gentleman from should have some definite knowledge Mr. PRINGLE. I would inquire of Genesee (Mr. LOVELL) is before the on which to act with regard to grantthe gentleman from Wayne, whether Convention? Was it not this morning ing leave of absence or agreeing upon special orders are enumerated among referred to the committee of the whole? an adjournment. the orders of business in Congress ? The PRESIDENT. The impression Mr. ALEXANDER. Mr. President,

Mr. MCCLELLAND. No, sir; in of the Chair is that a motion must, in I am very sorry that when I am Congress the order of business is very the first place, be made, as suggested leave of absence, mine should be made nearly like the order of businoss in this by the gentleman from Macomb, (Mr. an exceptional case among the numer-. Convention.

MUSSEY,) to discharge the committee of ous applications for leave of absence Mr. PRINGLE. My understanding the whole from the further considera- which have been made to-day. is that there is a difference in the prac- tion of this subject; and, if that mo- Mr. LUCE. I withdraw my objectice of the two bodies in this respect; tion be agreed to, it can be made, by, a tion to granting leave of absence to: by the practice of this Convention, majority vote, the special order for a the gentleman. unlike that of Congress, special orders certain day.


.. Mr. ALEXANDER. My purpose to are enumerated in the regular order of the question is now on suspending ask leave of absence has not been business; and hence to place a subject the mile establishing the order of busi- / formed since 'this question has arsen. among the special orders might be negs to

miguu beness, to enable the Convention to re- I had that intention in my mind when governed by a different rule from that suma

that sume the order of motions and resolu- I.came here this afternoon, as I desired .... which applies in Congress.

tions. This motion requires a two-1 to go away on the train. I omitted to ask Mr. P. D. WARNER. I desire to thirds vote for its adoption.

leave of absence before, because I supinquire whether it is competent for The motion was not agreed to.

posed that the Convention would agreo this Convention, by a simple resolution

to adjourn over, so that it would not be or motion, to make any subject not be


necessary for me to ask leave. . fore the Convention a special order. Mr. MORTON. I desire to suggest Mr. CONGER. The President stated,

Mr. MUSSEY. The Chair undoubt- the propriety of the Convention ad- as each of these various applications edly has stated the rule correctly. journing while we have a quorum re- for leave of absence were made, that The rules of this Convention provide maining and can do so. We had only leave would be granted if there was no

that a suspension of the rules may be fifty-eight members voting upon the objection. But the applications foli made by a vote of two-thirds of the last roll call, and I presume that a por- lowed each other in such quick succesmembers present.

tion of those voting have already been sion that there was no time to make In regard to the motion presented excused. We shall probably be with objection. If it be in order, I now by the member from Genosso, I ap- out a quorum to-morrow; and then make a general objection.

© PREitho commit Pot this more the

air is that. The ima whole? and

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