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appoint two Assistant Secretaries. I ports; none of that immense ma- to get into shape. Instead of appointdo not now recollect upon whose mo- chinery which accompanies the action ing one now, and then adding one tion the resolution was laid upon the of a legislative body, with its 600 or hereafter, it will be better to appoint table, but I believe the motion was 800 bills, and dealing, too, with them both now, and let them become made upon my suggestion that we another House. I do not know how familiar with the business of this Conshould defer action upon the subject the machinery of this Convention will vention and the duties of their office, for the present.

operate, when it shall be set to work, so that they may know how to perform The motion was agreed to.

or what may be the amount of labor the duties which will devolve upon The resolution was as follows: which will be devolved upon the Sec-them when the business of the Con. Resolved, That the Secretary be and he retary. But my own estimate, though vention shall have so increased as to is hereby authorized to appoint two Assistant I may be in error, is that compared require their whole attention. Secretaries of this Convention.

with other bodies which usually meet. I think the Secretary is the one to The question was upon agreeing to

in this hall, the daily duties of the judge of the amount of assistance the resolution. : Mr. FARMER. I move that the

Secretary of this Convention will be which he will need. If we curtail him resolution be referred to a select com

less than those of the Clerk of the in respect to the amount of assistance mittee of five.

House of Representatives. If that be furnished for his department, we will Mr. MUSSEY. I would not occupy

so, then I think it probable that, at not hereafter be justified in finding the attention of the Convention a mo

least for a time, one assistant will be fault if the duties of his department ment upon this subject, had I not,

sufficient to enable him to accomplish are not performed as they should be.

his dụties satisfactorily. . when the resolution was first offered,

After the confidence we have reposed

If it be the wish of the Convention in our Secretary by electing him to the raised the question of the necessity of having two Assistant Secretaries. I

to refer this resolution to a select com- position he holds, I think it will be therefore wish to state my reasons for

mittee, I have no particular objection. better for the Convention, for the intaking the position I do now.

I will move, however, if it be in order, terests of the people, and for the busiUpon inquiry, I am satisfied that

to amend the resolution by striking ness which we will be called upon to the Secretary of this Convention will

out the words “two assistant secreta- transact, that we should defer to his need two assistants, and that it is "

ries,” and inserting in lieu thereof the judgment in this matter, and grant necessary for him to have that assist

words “one assistant secretary.” him the assistance which he asks. In ance at the earliest possible time, in

The PRESIDENT. That motion is bodies of this sort, it is very necesorder that his business may not get not in order pending the motion to sary that the Secretary should not have behindhand. I think that, under no refer.

his time and attention taken up by circumstances, would one Assistant! The question was taken upon the looking for papers and documents, Secretary be sufficient. Therefore. I motion to refer, and it was not agreed when another clerk can perform that am in favor of the adoption of the to

duty. resolution as it now stands.

1. The question recurred upon agree- The question was taken upon the In regard to the motion of the gen- ing to the resolution.

amendment of Mr. PRINGLE, and upon tleman from Berrien, (Mr. FARMER), I Mr. PRINGLE. I move to amend a division, ayes 23, noes 43, it was not can see no good reason for a reference by striking out the words “two assist- agreed to. of this resolution to a select commit- ant secretaries," and inserting “one

The resolution was then agreed to. tee. If there was any necessity for an assistant secretary."

DISTRIBUTION OF JOURNAL OF CONVENTION. investigation, it might be well enough Mr. MILES. I hope the amend- Mr. LEACH submitted the following to refer the subject to a committee for ment of the gentleman from Jackson resolution: that purpose; but the only question (Mr. PRINGLE) will not prevail. Il Resolved, That the State printer be inthat can possibly be raised, is whether have conversed with the Secretary of

c of structed to forward by mail, one copy of the it is necessary to have those Assistant this Convention, and I have conversed the State, during the session of the Conven..

daily journal to each newspaper published in Secretaries? If it is necessary to have with former clerks of the House of tion. them, I presume every gentleman on Representatives; and I am informed Mr. MILES. I move to amend the this floor will be in favor of the adop- that it is necessary to have two assist- resolution by inserting after the word · tion of this resolution; and every gen- ant secretaries here. It is necessary “State," the words "and to each tleman can satisfy himself in regard to have a reading clerk, one to assist County Clerk.” I found last winter, to that without the delay of a refer- in reading and calling the roll when while the Legislature was in session, ence of the subject to a committee. necessary; and a clerk who, whenever that in three or four counties which I

Mr. FARMER. My object in mov- papers are handed in, can take them visited, where the journal of the Legising to refer this resolution to a com- and file them away so as to be able to lature was sent to the County Clerk, mittee is to have the matter investi- lay hands upon them at once when the people were in the habit of congregated, and to ascertain if it is neces- required, and not delay the business gating every day to hear the journal sary to have these additional officers of the Convention, perhaps, by requir- read, and found it very convenient. appointed.

ing the Secretary to stop and look up Mr. PARSONS. I move to amend Mr. PRINGLE. I wish, of course, the papers that may be called for. It by inserting the words “and debates," that the Secretary should have such will be necessary to have a clerk who after the word "journal," so that the assistance as may be necessary. But will be responsible for their preserva- entire proceedings of this body may it does seem to me, from my experience tion and having them at hand at any be published and distributed. I bein legislative bodies in these halls, that time. ...

lieve that can be done, and then the in all probability one assistant secre- If we are to have two assistant sec-journal need not be larger than the tary will be able to perform all that retaries hereafter, it is necessary that ordinary journal of the Legislature. will be required. There will be here we have them now. By the time they I notice, by reference to the proceedno messages to be sent to another shall be appointed, which will be the ings of many Constitutional ConvenHouse; no messages to be received last of this week or the first of next, tions, that the journal and debates are from another House; no large number business will have accumulated here, all published together. I think that of working committees, with their re- which it may take a great deal of time is mnch the best way.

sol the informed resolution bare for de Kepresentativessary to have the cessary states Clerk isla

ke a great dated here, all pubhat the journal and

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Mr. BIRNEY. I would inquire if convictions upon every question that already ordered the appointment of a any action has been taken in regard / may arise for our consideration. The committee to take into consideration to the publication of the jounal of this debate here may be continued to a late this very subject of the reporting and Convention? This resolution seems hour in the day upon many occasions. publication of the debates of this conto be upon the supposition that some

And it will be entirely impossible for vention, and the action proposed by such provision has already been made. I the reporters to prepare the debates | the gentleman seems to me to be very I do not remember that any resolution

in the proper shape and for the printer much like forestalling action upon the has yet been passed directing the pub

to publish them in time to be placed subject referred to that committee. I lination of the journal, or the number before the Convention on the succeed-trust the resolution in its present form of copies to be published.

ing day.

: : will not be adopted. This subject will Mr. LEACH. I suppose the journal

In regard to the publication of the come properly before the Convention of to-day's proceedings will be printed

debates, I would be in favor of the for its consideration upon the report and laid upon the tables of members

reference of that question to the com- of that committee. I therefore move to-morrow morning. The object of

mittee on printing that may be ap- that this resolution be laid upon the my resolution is to have the record of po

pointed, who can take the subject into table, where it can be reached at any our proceedings from the start fur-consideration, and upon proper inves- | time. nished to the papers of the State.

tigation they can come to a judicious. The motion to lay upon the table.' :: Mr. GIDDINGS. I do not under

conclusion in regard to the number of was agreed to. stand that any provision has yet been

copies to be published and the dispo- Mr. P. D. WARNER submitted the made by the Convention for the publi

sition to be made of those copies by following resolution: cation of the journal at all.

the Convention. The daily journal of Resolved, That one thousand copies of the Mr. LEACH. The resolution I have proce

| proceedings, of course, will be pub- proceedings of this Convention, be published offered is a copy of a resolution passed is

each day for the use of the Convention.
lished by the printer for the State and
laid upon our tables each morning in

Mr. DANIELLS. I move to amend by the old Convention. It was about the first thing passed upon, the subject

the resolution by striking out “one such numbers as may be ordered by of the journal. the Convention. I think it would be

thousand," and inserting “two thouMr. ĞIDDINGS. We have not done

well that the Convention should un-
derstand what it is doing before it!

it! Mr. PARSONS. I move that this anything yet in regard to printing the

resolution be laid upon the table. + takes final action upon this subiect journal. NDERSON I think if the Mr. PARSONS. I have taken some

did not object to the last resolution

being laid upon the table, until the gentleman from Grand Traverse, (Mr. little pains to inquire whether this

subject came before us upon the report LEACH,) will refer to the journal of the printing can be done in the manner. Il

of the committee charged with its inlast Convention he will find that action propose. I am informed by the State)

vestigation. I think this resolution was taken in relation to printing the printer that he will be able to do his

should also be laid upon the table until journal, and that a thousand copies part of the work; and I also learn from i

that committee shall have made its rewere ordered to be printed.

one of the persons who are here for the The question was taken upon the purpose of reporting, that his part of

The motion to lay upon the table amendment of Mr. PARSONS, and upon the work can be done in time, so that

was agreed to. a division, ayes 40, noes not counted, there is not the slightest difficulty in it was adopted. the way of having the journal of pro

STATIONERY FOR MEMBERS. The amendment of Mr. MILES was ceedings and the whole published Mr. T. G. SMITH submitted the folthen adopted. together.

lowing resolution: The question was upon agreeing to

eing tol

I have examined the records of th

I have examined the records of the kesolved. That the Sergeant-at-Arms be. the resolution as amended..

proceedings of conventions of various | directed to furnish the members of this conMr. P. D. WARNER. This resolu- / States, and I find that in the cases of vention with such stationery as they may re- · tion, as it now stands. may embrace almost all the recent Conventions the quire uuringus SESSIONS

Mr. P. D. WARNER. I would sugmore than would readily appear to the journal of proceedings and the debates minds of members. If I understand are published together in one volume. gest whether in the organization of the resolution as now amended, it re. l instead of being published separately. / committees for this convention, 10 quires the State printer, or the person That I think is far preferable.

would not be quite as well to have a

If that who may do the printing for the Con can be done in that way here, it will committee on supplies for the Conven

tion, to whom this subject could be . vention, to forward to each newspaper exhibit all the proceedings of this con

referred. published in the State, and to each vention in a manner which will be county clerk, a copy of the journal of plain, legible and intelligible, not only

| Mr. LUCE. It is not the intention, the proceedings of this Convention to the members of the Convention, but I suppose, that the Sergeant-at-Arms with the debates in full. There has as to the people of the entire State, who should pay the expense of this stayet no action been taken by the Con- will be able to see from day to day. tionery out of his own pocket. I think vention in regard to the publication of what is doing here. I think there will the suggestion of the gentleman from the debates that may take place here.' be no difficulty about the matter, and Oakland, (Mr. P. D. WARNER,) is a When such action shall Thave been I have therefore made my motion to very good one, that this resolution taken, I am of the opinion that it will amend, so that the journal of proceed- should not now be adopted. I therebe found to be impossible to secure ings and the debates may be published loro move that

ings and the debates may be published fore move that it be laid upon the their publication each day in connec-together, should this resolution be table. tion with the journal of proceedings. adopted.

The motion was agreed to. I do not think the printer for the State Mr. LUCE. I confess that at this CONSTITUTIONS OF 1835 AND 1850. has the facilities for accomplishing stage of our proceedings I am some- Mr. THOMPSON. I move to re.. such a work. I anticipate that debate what surprised at the amendment of consider the vote by which the Con. in this Convention will be unlimited; the gentleman from Shiawassee, (Mr. vention adopted a resolution directing that every member will be permitted PARSONS,) and the arguments he has the Secretary of State to procure the at all times to express fully his own submitted in its support. We have publication of the Constitutions of

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1835 and 1850. I make this motion Constitution of the State in bill form, and that Prayer by the Rev. Mr. Hickox, as for the purpose of moving to amend

the Convention then go into committee of the le

in the follows:

whole on the same, and consider it section by 14 the resolution by striking out that section, until it is fully reconstructed and Our Father, who art in Heaven, halportion relating to the Constitution made a new Constitution, to be submitted to lowed be thy name; forever glorious of 1850. I understand that the the people.

in our eyes hast thou made thy wonLegislature of last winter passed a Mr. GDDINGS. I move that the drous name, and thy marvelous works law to furnish members of this Con- resolution be laid upon the table.

to stand and to remain. High in our vention with copies in bound form of | Mr. MORTON. I hope the gentle

gratitude and in the devotion of our

hearts we hold all that thou hast prethe Constitution of this State of 1850, ! can state brieily my reasons for offer sented us for use or for pleasure. We together with the rules of the House. ing this resolution.

accept every good gift as from our That being the case I can see no ne- Mi. GIDDINGS. I withdraw the

God, and from Him alone. cessity of again publishing the Con- motio

Mr. MORTON. My reason for ofstitution of 1850.

And now, our Father, we thank thee

especially that thou hast spared the fering this resolution is, that I think it The motion to reconsider was agreed

lives of these men, citizens of a thriving presents the quickest way in which we The question was upon agreeing to can get at th n agreeing to can get at the business of this Conven

commonwealth; and we thank thee

that thou hast brought them together the resolution, which was as follows: tion. By referring the different parts

for the needful purpose for which they

are convened. We pray thee that thou instructed to cause to be published in one mittees, we may get their views upon pampblet, two hundred copies of the Consti- the various subjects as embraced in

wilt prepare them through competent tutions of 1835 and 1850, with the amend

understanding of mind, through a ments thereto, for the use of the Convention. their reports; but it is not to be ex

commendable and worthy fidelity of Mr. THOMPSON. I move to pected that those reports will satisfy heart, and through an approved citiamend by striking out that portion of in of all the members of this Convention.

izenship, to discharge the duties for The whole constitution will have to be the resolution that relates to the Con

I which they have been sent to this hall

considered here, section by section. I stitution of 1850. think we can accomplish the purpose

of representation and legislation. We Mr. MUSSEY. It seems to me that

for which we have assembled here in this resolution is unnecessary. I un

pray thee, Father, that thou wilt aid derstand from

in the great work of revising a constithe way I propose just as well as to the gentleman, (Mr.

tution for our State. Oh, Holy Father, THOMPSON,) who has called up this on this refer the various portions of the con

hast thou not a constitution and a law stitution to different committees, and resolution, that each member of this

for this people? have a delay of weeks before we can Convention is to be supplied with a

And wilt thou not

be pleased to communicate it through copy of the Constitution of the United | get to business.

these thy servants, through these men the Constitution of 1850.) I offer this resolution merely for the whom the people have chosen to repWe have already passed a resolution purpose of bringing the subject to the

resent them and to act for them, in laythe Secretary of State to attention of members. I am winning ing again true principles for the future furnish us with the manual of the last that it should be laid upon the table for

government and guidance of the peoLegislature, which I suppose contains the present. I will myself make that

ple within our own commonwealth ? the present Constitution. That will motion, in order to give members an

Father, we pray thee that thou wilt furnish us with perhaps as much as we opportunity to consider the subject,

give health of body, soundness of will need of that kind of information. and the resolution can be called up a

ormation and the resolution can be called up at | mind, clearness of judgment and farIf I am correct in my understanding any time hereafter.

reaching foresight to these men, that of the matter, then I shall be com- The motion to lay on the table was

they may each of them see and know pelled to vote against the adoption of agreed to. . ,

and understand the great questions the resolution. And if we do not pro JOURNAL OF TO-DAY'S PROCEEDINGS. which shall come before them. And pose to adopt the resolution, it is not Mr. WILLARD. I understand that may they have a record not only satisnecessary to amend it.

no action has yet been taken in refer- factory to themselves and their conMr. THOMPSON. The volume fur-ence to printing the journal of this stituencies, but which shall be worthy nished us by the Legislature contains Convention. I therefore offer the fol- of reference and imitating by sister the Constitution of the United States, lowing resolution:

States. the Constitution of this State of 1850, Resolved, That one thousand copies of the Will God in mercy hear our prayer;

guide us through the transactions of Therefore, it is not necessary to have the

herefore it is not necessary to have the use of the Convention. the Constitution of 1850 reprinted.

Mr. PARSONS. Is not that the this day; lead us through life as God If the resolution is amended as I pro

same resolution which was laid on the is pleased to lead submissive and un- · pose, then we can have the Constitutable a few moments since?

derstanding men; and when we come tion of 1835 printed for the use of the

Mr. GIDDINGS. This resolution to die, may the eye of memory be able Convention. My object is simply to

has reference to the proceedings of to run back over a recorded history at avoid a repetition of the printing of this day only...

which we will not shudder as we pe

The resolution was then adopted. ruse, and which friends shall be pleased the Constitution of 1850... .

to present to others. We pray Theo

And then, on motion of Mr. TURMr. HAZEN. I do not see the ne

UNER, the Convention (at fifteen min- that we may look forward into the fucessity of passing this resolution at

utes to four o'clock P. M.,) adjourned ture as men instructed in the Gospel, this time. I therefore move that it be to ten o'clock A. M., to-morrow.

and established in the faith of Christ, laid upon the table.

only can look. And will God be The motion was agreed to.


pleased to give us a place at the right ORDER OF PROCEEDING.

hand of the Redeemer. We do enMr. MORTON offered the following

THURSDAY, May 16, 1867. treat of Thee these things, Oh God, resolution:

The Convention met at ten o'clock A. and the remission of our sins through

are for M., and was called to order by the the precious blood of our Lord and the members of this Convention, the present President.

Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.



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The roll was called, and a quorum | A committee of five on Boundaries, Seat of be a standing committee on public

Government, and the Division of the Powers I landa answered to their names.

of Government. The Secretary began the reading of A committee of pine on the Legislative de- The amendment of MR. LONGYEAR the journal of yesterday, but before partment.

was agreed to. concluding, | A committee of seven on the Executive de

Mr. FERRIS. I move that this repartment. Mr. HOLT moved that the further A committee of thirteen on the Judicial de- port be recommitted with instructions reading of the journal be dispensed partment.

to the committee who made it to rewith.

A committee of nine on Elections.

port to this Convention, by way of
A committee of tive on State Officers.
The motion was agreed to.
A committee of nine on Salaries.

recommendation, the names of memA coinmittee of nine on Counties.

bers to constitute and compose the ADDITIONAL MEMBERS SWORN IN. A committee of five on Townships.

standing committees. And I will state Mr. SUTHERLAND. The delegate and Government of Cities and Villages. . A committee of seven upon Organization

very briefly my reasons for making from Saginaw, Mr. MILLER, and the A committee of seven on Impeachments this motion. delegate from Keweenaw, Mr. GULICK, and Removals from Office..

This is the most important body that A committee of nine on Education. are now in attendance, and ready to

A committee of nine on Finance and Taxa

has assembled in this State for the last take the oath required, and be admit- tion.

sixteen years, and probably the most ted to their seats in this Convention. A committee of nine on Corporations other

important that will assemble in this I move that the oath of office be ad-1 I move that the both of office hood than Municipal. .. | A commitiee of five on Exemptions.

State for many years to come. We ministered to them.

A committee of seven on the Militia. have been sent here by the people to Mr. HOLT. There are other dele- A committee of five on Miscellaneous Pro reform the organic law of a great State, gates now present who have not yet

A committee of five on Amendment and

in which there are a multitude of imbeen sworn in. I move to amend the Review,

portant interests. We all desire that our motion of the gentleman from Saginaw, ! A committee of nine on Schedule.

duties shall be discharged faithfully, (Mr. SUTHERLAND), so as to include all

A committee of seven on Arrangement and

wisely and conscientiously. I have delegates now present who have not | A committee of seven on Bill of Rights. submitted this motion because of the been sworn in.

Your committee further recommend the high character of this Convention, and Mr. SUTHERLAND. I accept the adoption of the following resolution:

the solemnity and importance of our

Resolved, That so much of the Constitution amendment.

I as relates to the several subjects above work. This method of appointing the The motion, as modified, was then named, be referred respectively to the com- committees by the action of the body

mittees appointed in connection therewitb, litself is not ono agreed to.

11b, itself, is not anomalous or novel. It is

whose duty it shall be to take into consideraThe PRESIDE T. The Chair does

tion the expediency of making any, and if the method of procedure adopted in not now recall to mind the precise pro- any, wbat alterations or amendments, and to the Senate of the Cnited States. I vision of law in relation to administer report thereon.

think that the duties which devolve

Your committee furtber recommend the ing the oath to the members of this

appointment of additional committees, as fols upon us, in regard to the interests and Convention. The Secretary of State | lows, viz:

future welfare of this great State, are is required to administer the oath on : A committee of five on Supplies and Expen-lauita

A committee of live on Supplies and Expen- quite as momentous às the ordinary

ditures. the first assembling of the Convention.

A committee of five on Printing.

duties which devolve upon the Senate If no objection is made, the Chair will administer the oath to the members

The question was upon agreeing to

of the United States.

I make the motion for the further

the report. ... i now present who have not yet taken it.

reason that the committee on the mode No objection was made. .: Mr. LONGYEAR. I did not per

of procedure represents all parts of *Accordingly Mr. HIRAM 'L. MILLER, haps pay close enough attention to the

the State, being composed of one of Saginaw county, Mr. ROBERT F. Go- reading of the report, but I did not

member from each of the judicial disLICK, of Keweenaw county, Mr. EDWIN hear announced any committee upon

tricts. Each gentleman upon that B. WINANS, of Livingston county, and and Public Lands, or any committee on

committee is no doubt familiar from Mr. JOHN HAIRE, of Ottawa county. / Education.

personal acquaintance and direct perpresented themselves and subscribed

Mr. BIRNEY. There is a commit

sonal intercourse with the other mem. to and took the oath of office adminisminis Itee of nine on education..

bers of this Convention representing tered by the President of the Conven

his own immediate locality. He is tion. to amend the report by providing for

more capable of estimating and apprela committee of seven upon Public ciating the worth and working ability ..:: : ORDER OF BUSINESS. : : Lands.

of those members than you may be, : The PRESIDENT. The first busi- ' Mr. BIRNEY. I will state that in Mr. President, who may be a stranger ness in order is the presentation of the recommendation of those commit- to most of the men coming from those petitions.

tees, we followed substantially the particular localities, or than any one No petitions were presented. .. Torder of topics in the Constitutionlelse can be who is not familiarly acThe PRESIDENT. There being no itself. We have, I believe, départed quainted in those localities. I make anding committees, the next business from that order in but one instance, this motion from no want of respect n order is reports from select com- besides recommending the usual com- for or want of confidence in the premittees.

. .mittees on Supplies and on Printing. siding officer of this body. I do it STANDING COMMITTEES.

Mr. LONGYEAR. Since the adop- from a desire to relieve him in part Mr. BIRNEY, from the committee

tion of the Constitution of 1850, the from a great responsibility from a i appointed to report on the best mode

subject of public lands has assumed difficult task which under our present *.of proceeding to the revision of the

an importance in this State which it rules is imposed upon him... Constitution, submitted the following

never had before, in consequence of I believe the motion I have made is

the donation by Congress of the swamp a proper one, and I sincerely hope it report:

lands to the State; and also the mu- will prevail. I think the people 2. Your committee, appointed to report as to nificent railroad grants which have throughout all parts of the State will

the best mode of proceeding to the revision
of the Constitution of the State, recommend

mmend been made to this State. It would be better satisfied with that mode of the appointment of committees as follows: therefore seem proper that there should procedure, having the names of mem

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bers to compose these various commit- well as themselves for important places tions will be protracted somewhat by tees recommended to the Convention upon these.committees. But the Presi- the appointment of a select committee by the committee on the mode of pro- dent, not being called upon to serve for this purpose. I think the Presicedure, than if those committees were on any committee, is the most impar-dent of this Convention has the conappointed in the usual manner. tial person who can be selected to make fidence of every member, and I believe

Mr. CHAPIN. I move to amend a distribution of places upon these he will make the distribution of comthe motion of the gentleman from committees. He of course in the se- mittees as wisely as it can be made by Kent, (Mr. FERRIS), so as to provide lection of members for these commit- any committee which can be selected that a special committee of seven shall 'tees will call to his aid persons from from this Convention. I trust, therebe appointed by the President, whose all parts of the State, and obtain the fore, the usual course will be followed duty it shall be to recommend to this benefit of their knowledge. In fact be in this case, and that the President Convention the names of members to will have the whole body as a com- will be allowed to appoint the comcompose the various standing commit- mittee to advise him, because he can mittees. tees embraced in this report.

consult any member of it be chooses, Mr. BILLS. Before having given Mr. LUCE. I trust that neither the and obtain information from them of this subject my consideration at all, I amendment of the gentleman from the fitness of particular persons for the might perhaps have been led to apGratiot, (Mr. CHAPIN), nor the motion respective places to be filled. Let a prove the motion that has just been of the gentleman from Kent, (Mr. FER- committee of almost any usual size be made. But having had my attention RIS), will prevail. I can see no good selected for this purpose, and it cannot called to the subject involved in this reason for departing from the ordinary represent fully all parts of the State, motion, I am clearly of the opinion course of appointing committees for and its recommendation would make that a committee would find greater this Convention. It is true, another more dissatisfaction, and perhaps ex- embarrassment in recommending the course is adopted by the Senate of the cite more jealousy, than would be the names of members for our standing United States, but I know of no other case if the committees of this body are committees than would the President deliberative body that has adopted appointed by its President. I think of this Convention. that course. The United States Sen- that it has been the almost invariable The committee to which it is proate is differently constituted; its mem-custom in bodies like this to leave the posed to refer this matter is composed bers are elected for a long term; it is appointment of committees to the of Messrs. BIRNEY, WITHEY, BILLS, Mca continuous body. This Convention President, he being the better person CLELLAND, SUTHERLAND, PARSONS, GIDis elected in a different way, and for to perform that duty...

DINGS, LUCE, MUSŞEY, LEACH, BURTENbut a brief period; and I can see no Mr. GIDDINGS. I suppose there shaw, WILLARD, CHAPMAN and NORRIS. · reason why we should appoint our must be a day or two taken for the ap- Saying nothing of my own name being committees in any other than the or- pointment of these committees. To upon that committee, it is evident to dinary manner.

refer the matter to a select committee'I my mind that there are men upon that On the other hand, I can see objec- think will not result in any saving of committee who would feel a modesty tions to referring the question of their time. I think it probable that it would in recommending their own names for appointment to a special committee of be difficult for the President, or for a places upon the important committees seyen, or to the committee upon the committee, to present the names for of this Convention. There would also mode of procedure, of which I hap- these positions before Monday next. be great embarrassment arising from pen to be a member. This matter was It seems to me that the President of the fact that you must harmonize the discussed somewhat in that committee this Convention, with the advice of views of fourteen members in relation yesterday, and we concluded, without such members as he will undoubtedly to the appointment of each of the taking formal action upon the subject, call to his aid, will be able to frame standing committees. The idea has that the better way was to leave the these committees so as to give general already been expressed that the Presicommittees to be appointed by the satisfaction to the Convention. I think dent of this Convention not being reChair, as usual. I trust that that he will be more likely to give satisfac- quired to serve upon any committee, course will be adopted. The presiding tion than any select committee that would be perfectly independent and officer of this body has an extensive could be named.

would therefore occupy a position of: acquaintance among the members of Mr. WITHEY. I am unable to agree perfect impartiality in regard to the this body. He can call to his aid the with my colleague (Mr. FERRIS) in the manner in which those committees assistance of those who are acquainted motion he has made. This question shall be constructed; and I believe, as

heen entstand things in the State, but the responsibility, in came up in the committee which made has already been stated, I think, that the end, will rest upon him as to the this report, as has been stated by the double the time would be consumed composition of these committees. I gentleman from Branch, (Mr LUCE.) by referring this subject to a commitbelieve we shall obtain satisfactory The fact that it did arise in that com- tee that would be consumed by the , committees by leaving the matter en- mittee has given opportunity for some President of this Convention. tirely to the President, and allowing reflection upon it. I rise simply for I recognize the force of the arguhim to make his own selections in their the purpose of saying that I cannot ment that this committee, consisting, appointment in the usual way.. support either the original motion or as it does, of fourteen members from

Mr. BIRNEY. The proposition the amendment proposed to it, from a all parts of the State, are perhaps more which has been made to the Conven- conviction in my mind which has been thoroughly acquainted, in the aggretion, I have no doubt was submitted produced after some little reflection gate, with the members of this Convenin a spirit of fairness and intended to upon the subject since the question tion than the President can be. There operate well. But I apprehend that was brought up in the committee last is force in that argument. But I call there will be found difficulties in a evening. . i .

to mind the fact that as some time departure from the usual course of I do not desire to make any ex- must be consumed by the President in appointing committees, which at first tended remarks, because I concur en appointing these committees, it is are not very apparent. There would tirely in the views, which have been ex-within his province to consult any and be a delicacy upon the part of any pressed by the gentleman from Bay, all of the members of this Convention, committee in recommending others as (Mr. BIRNEY.) I believe our delibera- and to call to his aid such persons as

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