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ute calling this Convention, and the means to enable this. Convention fully marks of the gentleman from Oakland, result will be, either the postmaster at to discharge its duties. It affords one I will lead the Convention to adopt the Lansing will be short in his account means of informing the people, our substitute.. with the postoffice department to the masters, what we are doing here, and Mr. LOVELL. If the only quesamount of the stamps he may furnish, what we propose to do. I apprehend tion under discussion at this time was or the members of this Convention will there is no question of the justice of whether the people of this State were have to refund to the postmaster the the proposition that the people should willing to pay a few cents postage that value of the stamps they may use. : pay the expense of the postage, as they might obtain full information of

I may be in error in my view of this well as of the printing of our journals what we are doing, or whether they matter, but I have presented the sug- of debates. But I am speaking now preferred to have the members of the gestions which present themselves to simply of our power to do this, and of Convention taxed for that purpose, I my mind. Entertaining these views, the Constitutional power of the Legis- should remain silent. But although I. I hope the substitute of the gentleman lature to limit the powers of this Con- am one of the younger members of from Monroe (Mr. MORTON) will pre- vention in any of these respects. this Convention, I must take the libvail.

But even granting the right of the erty of protesting against the premMr. BURTCH. I heartily respond Legislature to restrict our powers, I can- ises laid down by the gentleman from to the views expressed by the gentle- not see that they have really so tied Oakland, (Mr. P: D. WARNER,) as to man from Oakland, (Mr. P. D. WAR- up our hands that we cannot pass a the powers of this Convention. Grant. NER,) as to the legal powers of this resolution of this kind. The limit his premises, and we will perhaps be Convention. I am glad to see that he imposed by the Legislature does not compelled to adopt his conclusions. has such correct and enlarged views in relate to expenses of this kind; it re- But in my judgment his premises are one respect. He yesterday opposed lates simply to books, papers and sta- unsound, unwarranted, and not an amendment I offered to one of the tionery. There is no limitation in the founded upon the law. rules to strike out these words: “to act beyond that. That provision of I apprehend that none of us will be taken into custody wherever found the act is :

deny that the Convention of 1850 was by the Sergeant-at-Arms.”

"And the Convention may furnish its mem- a sovereign Convention of the people: Mr. LONGYEAR. Upon an exam-bers with such books, papers and stationery, / That Convention called us into being;

| as are now allowed by the Constitution to the if I understand it. that Convention ination of the constitutional provision

members of the Legislature.".. authorizing a Convention to be called,

was, so to speak; the father of this

There is the limitation; relating Convention. He is not the parent of and of the act under which this Con

only to the furnishing of books, papers. the child who merely presides at its vention has met, I must take issuo with the gentleman from Oakland. (Mr and stationery. But it is not a limit- l birth. And that P. D. WARNER.) In the first place, I

Ilation upon any other expenses of the ter, which passed the law defining the cannot see in the provision of the Con

convention. It is not, applying it di- manner in which this Convention should

rectly to this case, any limitation on come into being; was not the parent of stitution authorizing a general Conven

| the expense for postage. Neither does this Convention. vention to revise it anything more than

It simply fulfilled the constitution limit in this respect, in the duty enjoined upon it by the peoa provision for the election of delegates

| the provision restricting members of ple when they adopted the Constituto a Convention for that purpose. The

the legislature to five dollars for books, tion of 1850. section upon that subject, which was

| Mr. BURTCH. I rise to a point of inserted as an amendment to the origi- papers and stationery. nal Constitution, is section 2 of article

It seems to me, therefore, that order. i

whether we regard the Legislature as 20. It is as follows:

Mr. LOVELL. If the gentleman | having power to limit our expenses or calls me to order, I will yield.. "At the general election to be held in the not, no such limit has been imposed. year 1866, and in each sixteenth year there

Mr. BURTCH. I do not call the after, and also at such other times as the Leg-If the Legislature had no such power, | gentleman to order. But I make the islature may by law provide, the question of then of course we are not limited, how-l point of order that during this speakthe general revision of the Constitution shall

ever they may have attempted to ex- ing there is conversation going on here be submitted to the electors qualified to vote for members of the Legislature, and in case ercise it; if they had such power, then among the members.. a majority of the electors so qualified, shall they have not attempted to exercise it. The PRESIDENT. The Chair would decide in favor of a Convention for such pur- Believing; therefore, that the resolu-l remind gentlemen that order must be pose, the Legislature at the next session, shall provide by law for the election of such | tion is just as it now stands, I hope the preserved.: : . delegates to such Convention."

substitute proposing to rescind it will Mr. LOVELL. I will not detain That is the full scope and limit of not be adopted.

C .. the Convention long by any remarks utional power granted to Mr. ROOT. I am astonished to see of mine. And I will say that while I the Legislature in relation to this Con- what a little matter will excite the en-I have been sneakin vention. If the Legislature, under a ergies of this body, and hold us here

ura. under a ergies of this body, and hold us here troubled by the conversation of others. provision of the Constitution simply engaged for hours in its discussion. It seems to me that the construction authorizing them to provide for the We may go on and discuss this matter of the powers of this Convention which election of delegates to a Convention, of postage until our very debates upon is sought to be established by certain can proceed to limit and restrict the it will cost the State more than all the members, is not correct. Therefore, I powers of those delegates when as- postage would amount to...

call attention to the matter, and exsembled and organized in Convention, I think the gentleman from Oakland, press the hope that gentlemen learned in any one respect, they can limit them (Mr. P. D. WARNER) has presented the in law, judges and some of the older in others. And thus they might so right view of this matter to the Con- and more experienced members of the completely trammel the action of the vention; that we have no right to go Convention, will take occasion to give Convention, limit and restrict its beyond the powers conferred by the us their opinion as to what are the powers, as to render it unable to fully, act of the Legislature which called us powers of this Convention, the source perform its duties in the revision of into being I sincerely hope that this and the extent of that power. Even if the Constitution. The power now un- matter will now be brought to a close, Mr. Jameson is correct in his law, still der discussion is one of the necessary and that the plain, common sense re- it does not apply to this Convention.




If I remember rightly, he treats of the what they may deem expedient and

DAILY RECESS. -., limited powers of conventions in cases proper for the objects of the Conven-1 Mr. WALKER offered the following where they have their inception in the tion. But this section of the appro- resolution: .. action of the Legislature. The rule priation bill, in providing for “the ex

priation bill, in providing for “the ex- Kesolved, That this Convention will take a is different, of course, where the Con- penses incident" to this Convention, recess from half-past 12 o'clock till 3 o'clock vention is the creature of the people; leaves it to the Convention, it seems to each day, except Saturday, till further ordered. and it is then restricted by the body me, to use that fund at their discretion,

ated by the hodíl me to nse that fund at their discretion | Mr. ALEXANDER. I move that which gives it origin. In other words, for whatever expenses are incident to the resolution be laid on the table. this Convention being called by the the Convention and its objects. I do! The motion was agreed to. sovereign people has sovereign powers. not rise to debate or argue this ques

ELECTIVE. FRANCHISE. I do not care to dwell upon the question, but merely to call the attention Mr. LOVELL offered the following tion whether we have the power to of this Convention to this section of the resolution, which was adopted: order the report of our debates and appropriation bill, which it seems tol Resolved. That the Committee on Elections proceedings printed at the expense of me has a direct bearing upon the ques- be instructed to inquire into the propriety of the State and have not the power to tion before the Convention.

extending the privileges of the elective fran

chise to all citizens of this State over 21 years order their distribution at the expense Mr.. BIRNEY. In explanation of of age, who have not been convicted of of the State. Those who desire to gain the vote I shall give, I desire to say crime. popularity, if that be the idea, by that I moved to reconsider the original |

MESSENGERS APPOINTED. placing themselves upon the record as resolution, relating to the postage of The PRESIDENT announced the rigid economists, or who really believe members, because I understood it to appointment of the following messenthat four dollars a day is too much for cover all documents and mailable mat-gers, pursuant to à resolution of the the payment of the members of this ter; in other words, to confer a gen-1 Convention: Convention, and that all their expenses eral franking privilege. Being satisfied Claude Martin, Chauncey Wright. must be deducted therefrom, may take with the construction proposed to be | George Seymour. Willie Elder Cyrus a different view of the subject. ;... given to it by the gentleman from Cal- | Utley. Freddie Smith, Charles Avery.

Mr. HENDERSON. This discussion houn, (Mr. HENDERSON,) I shall vote | Secretary's messenger Willia Porter. has undobtedly called forth the views against the substitute and for his Mr. HENDERSON. I move that of members upon a subject vital to us resolution.

the Convention now adjourn. --that is, as to the extent and limit of Mr. HENDERSON. I now call the Mr. MUSSEY our powers. But believing that that previous question. .

that the Convention take a recess until subject will come up hereafter, and . The previous question was seconded, three o'clock. We have nearly comthat a further continuance of this dis- and the main question ordered. I

pleted the consideration in the com- .. cussion at this time will not be of ben-! The first question was upon the sub-mittee of the whole of the report of the efit, I call the previous question. :: stitute of Mr. MORTON, as follows:

committee on rules, and it will not Mr. BURTCH. I hope the gentle-! Tiesolved, That the resolution heretofore take long to complete it. It is, of man will withdraw that call for a adopted, requiring the Postmaster of the Con: 1

a course, important that we should adopt ' - vention to pay postage on all documents and Couise, portalu Wu We should wopu moment..

journals sent by inembers, be, and the same our rules as soon as possible.. Mr. HENDERSON. Certainly: I is hereby resciñded.

Mr. HENDERSON. I will withwill do so.

Mr. P. D. WARNER. Upon this draw the motion to adjourn.... .. Mr. BURTCH, I desire to say that question I call for the yeas and nays. Mr. MUSSEY moved that the Conthis Convention undoubtedly has sov- The yeas and nays were ordered. vention take a recess until 3 o'clock ereign powers within the limits pre- The question was then taken upon

p. m. . scribed by law; beyond those limits it the substitute, and it was not agreed . The motion was agreed to, and the has no power. , to--yeas 32, nays 50, as follows: ..,

Convention accordingly (at five minMr. D. GOODWIN. Permit me to YEAS-Messrs. Aldrich, Alexander, Andrus,

utes past 12 o'clock p. m.) took a récall the attention of the Convention to Bills, Blackman, Brown, Coolidge, Corbin, 1

cess till 3 o'clock p. m. Elliott, Estee, Farmer, Hazen, Ingalls, Leach, | cess till O O clock p. m.' one provision of a law passed by

..: Lothrop, Luce, Miles, Miller, Morton, Murray, the last Legislature, which has Mussey, Rafter, Root, Sheldon, Stoughton, not been adverted to, but which it Tyler, Van Riper, Walker, P.' D. Warner,

:: AFTERNOON SESSION. seems to me has some bearing upon Willard, Williams, Yeomans, and the Presi

I The Convention reassembled at 3 this question, in connection with the Nays-Messrs. Birney, Bradley, Burten-Lo'clock p m., and was called to order general law, providing for calling this shaw, Case, Chapin, Chapman, Conger,

Crocker, Daniells, Desnoyers, Divine, Duncan, by

n by the President. Convention. I refer to that section of

Ferris, Ġermain, 'D. Goodwin, W. F. Good The roll was called, and a quorum the appropriation bill making an ap- win, Harris, Henderson, Hixson, Holmes, langwered to their names propriation to defray the expenses of Holt, Howard, Huston, Lamb, Lawrence,

this Convention.
Longyear, Lovell, McClelland, McConnell, 1

The section is as

Musgrave, Ninde, Norris, Parsons, Pratt, Mr. HOWARD offered the following follows: Richmond, Shearer, T. G. Smith, W. A.

resolution, which was adopted: "That there be, and the same is hereby ap

Smith, Stockwell, Sutherland, Thompson, propriated, out of any moneys in the treas

Turner, Utley, Van Valkenburgh, W. E. Resolved, That the Committee on Execuury to the credit of ihe general fund for the Warner, M. . C. Watkins, F. C. Watkins, I tive Department be instructed to consider pay of the members and officers of the Con- White, Woodhouse and Wright-50.

and report to the Convention, the expediency. stitutional Convention, to be held in the year. The question recurred upon the res- of making provision in the proposed Consti1867 and for the expenses incident thereto, lolution offered by Mr. · HENDERSON. I

tution for the eiection or appointment of a and for the promulgation of the Constitution

olution offered by Mr. HENDERSON, Board of Commissioners, to act with the Govframed by such Convention, and the submis- which was as follows:

ernor in hearing and determining applicasion of the same to the people, the sum of Resolved, That the word “document," in

tions for the pardon of persons convicted and $80,000.” the resolution passed by this. Convention on

sentencd for crime. :.«. For the expenses incident thereto.” | the 17th inst., relative to postage, shall be JAMESON'S “CONSTITUTIONAL CONVEN

construed to mean the journals and debates The general law provides for various of the Convention, and that no other mail

. TIONS.”. things in reference to which the expen- matter shall be deemed within the scope of Mr. TURNER offered the following ses are not specified, leaving it to the the resolution. ..

resolution : discretion of the Convention to provide The resolution was adopted.

Resolved. That the State Librarian be in

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structed to furnish each delegate, for his use as a guide to us. From the examina-1 And here allow me to say that when during the session of the Convention, a copy |tion I have been able to make of this the salaries of gentlemen sent to this of Jameson's work on Constitutional Conventions.

work, I think it embodies all the prin- Convention are put at barely the cost Mr. MCCLELLAND. This work, if ciples and rules which were adopted of their living when the time of busiI am correctly informed. costs $4: and I by the two Conventions of this State. ness men from all parts of the State if it is furnished to each member of I do not myself possess one of these is taken for weeks, and possibly for this Convention it will be an expense books, but I have had soine opportu-months, from their various avocations, to the State of $400. I do not know inity of examining one of them, and it and their business must suffer more or enough about the book to be able to seems to me there will be questions (less, if not be laid aside entirely all say whether it is absolutely necessary arising in this Convention as long as

arising in this Convention as long as the time they are here ---when this is that each member shall be supplieă we are here, upon which an examina- the case, I do not think the people of with a copy of it. But from a slight tion of this book will give members this State will grudge them anything cursory examination of it, I think it mnch light, and enable them to much they may desire which is proper and would not be expedient to incur this better perform their duties satisfac- useful to them in the performance of expense for this purpose.

torily to themselves and to their con- the duties they render, you may say · Mr. LEACH. I very much dislike stituents.

gratuitously, to the people. If the to oppose any motion of my friend Now, as to the price of this book; if people of this Staté do begrudge the from Shiawassee. (Mr. TURNER.) but the rule of this Convention from the few hundred dollars necessary for this really I cannot say that I am in favor beginning had been to avoid every purpose, then they are unworthy to of this resolution. I bought this book cent of expense possible, no matter at have a Constitution, unworthy to have for myself a few days ago. While it what loss to members, then we should I gentlemen represent them in this Conmay be of some value, yet I am confi- not have ordered the Constitution of vention. [Laughter.] dent, from the examination that I have | 1835 to be printed; we should not have | Mr. BURTCH. I rise to make an made of it, that it would require a ordered the reporting and printing of inquiry, whether or not these books great deal of study to get any great the debates. But we should have gone now belong to the State library, and amount of good from it. No doubt it on blindly, applying ourselves in our can be furnished gratuitously to memis a very important book of its kind: feeble way, by the exercise of such | bers here? If so, then I am in favor but I doubt whether it would be of talents and knowledge as we might of the resolution. I move to amend much practical benefit to us here. possess, to the making of a constiution; the resolution so that those members

For my part, I would greatly prefer and then have gone home with the who have already purchased this book that those members who desire the glory about our heads of having spent may have the price of it returned to book, should buy it for themselves, only one dollar where we might have them. and not bring this expense upon the spent ten; which with some of us may Mr. CONGER. I understand that State. If I thought the possession of be sufficient glory for all our future those who have purchased these books this book would expedite our labors lives. "

will come in under this resolution just here, and enable us to perform our! I have always been in favor of any | the same as the rest of us, just the same duties in a better manner, I would expenditure, not extravagant, but ex- | as if they had not bought them. I do vote for the resolution. But from the pedient and proper, which will enable not propose to take any four dollars examination I have made of it. I can- me in the best manner to discharge that my brother members here will not not view the matter in that light. my duty in every position to which have a fair chance to grab at. :

Mr. BURTCH. It seems to strike my constituents think proper to call Mr. P. D. WARNER. I infer from my understanding that the people of me. If they do not think me parsimo- | the manner in which members have this State have not convened us to- nious enough, or mean enough, then considered this resolution, it is the ungether for the purpose of buying li- | they know too well to send me here; derstanding that each member of this braries, or to get up a legal school

and I venture to say that is the case Convention will be furnished with a here to learn constitutional law.

with the constituents of any other mem- copy of the work designated in the resMr. CONGER. After the expres- ber here. There may be some ill-olution. If that is the intention of the sion of the opinions of the gentleman natrired flings in the public prints for gentleman from Shiawassee, (Mr. who have preceded me, and who from political and partizan purposes, but | TURNER,) I apprehend that his resothe examination of this book and from there is not a fair-minded man in Michi- lution will need some modification. As their general information are of course gan who will utter a word of complaint it now reads, the book is to be supmuch better able to form an opinion against anything which will enable this plied to members only during the situpon the subject than I am, what I say Convention to properly discharge its | ting of the Convention; when we admay not have much weight. : duties to the people. :::..

Tjourn it must be returned to the I think myself that as this work of With these views, and entertaining librarian. Jameson is perhaps the only one that these sentiments, I shall vote for the Mr. TURNER. That was my intreats fully and exhaustively upon the small expenditure necessary to furnish tention.' subject of Conventions, their powers members with the means of enlighten-/ Mr. P. D. WARNER. The resoluand duties, their rights and privileges, ing themselves in regard to their du-tion is all right then. . and their modes of proceeding, itties, and the powers of bodies similar | Mr. BURTCH. Then I am more will be of great value to this Conven

to this; of learning what I may call the opposed to it than ever. Laughter.] tion, not only for the moment, but for common-law of Conventions in these The question was upon the amendevery day, and all through our pro United States, the only country where ment of Mr. BURTCH. ceedings. It is based upon the action such representations of the people have Mr. LEACH. I hope that amendof the Conventions of the several generally obtained. I trust, therefore, ment will not prevail. I bought a copy States, and the Convention that framed that the resolution offered by the gen- of this book and paid for it, and I do thə Constitution of the United States. I tleman from Shiawassee (Mr. TURNER) | not want the State to pay me back the We refer to the debates of the Con- will be adopted. I deem it very | price of it.... stitutional Convention of Michigan, / proper and reasonable that this infor- | Mr. BLACKMAN. Under the conand that book is considered valuable mation should be furnished us.. struction now given to this resolution,

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ed. If the people havement of Mr. Bor was upon the righter:

that those members supplied by the tion in saying that if the books are to the rest of the members. I hope the State are only to have the use of this be furnished to us at all, they better resolution will prevail. book during the sitting of the Conven- be furnished to us to be taken to our Mr. HOWARD. I move to amend tion, it would certainly be unfair to homes in our trunks after we get the amendment, so that each table refund the price paid for it to those through here. There will be needed here be supplied by the State libramembers who have purchased it for but a small number in the library after rian with a copy of this book during themselves.

.: we get through our labors here; and it the session of the Convention. I . Mr. TURNER. The librarian in- / would not be a good investment for think one copy of this work will be all formed me that he had received a part the State to keep many of them. that will be needed for each table, and of these books, and that the balance of I am not in favor of this resolution. I the members could consult it all that them would come on by express." He If members do not want to buy these is necessary during the session of the also said that some ten members of the books, and think they need them, then Convention. Convention had purchased them of let them vote to have the State supply I agree fully with the gentleman him; but if the Convention ordered them. The State is able to pay for from St. Clair, (Mr:CONGER,) in regard them for all the members, he would them. There may be a little newspa- to the question of expense. I am not refund to those gentlemen who had per howl over it, but we need not mind one who will hesitate over a little expurchased copies the money they had that. I will not inquire whether any pense, provided I can see any practical paid for them.

of our constituents will growl or not. benefit to be derived from it. Yet I Mr. P. D. WARNER. I understood I will only inquire what is right or apprehend we will all derive as much from what the librarian said to me, wrong, and then do the right and take benefit from consulting this work, if a that he had purchased these books not the consequences.

copy is laid upon each table where we , for the State, but as a personal busi- Mr. BURTCH. I move that this can always have access to it, as though ness transaction. He said that he had resolution and amendment be indefin- each member were furnished with a purchased these books with his own itely postponed; and that each mem- copy. I know it would be very agreemoney, anticipating that a certain ber be permitted to buy such books as able to have this book to take home number of copies would be needed by he may desire.

with us. I presume every member members of this Convention; and that The question was taken on the mo- here would like to have one for his-lihe would accommodate members with tion to indefinitely postpone, and upon brary. But propriety would seem to them at the price that has been named. a division, ayes 24, nays 40, it was not dictate that in that case he should He has received fifty copies, and in agreed to :

purchase it for himself. We should anticipation of the Convention order-! The question recurred upon the act here understandingly in the work ing one hundred copies, one for each amendment of Mr. BURTCH, to refund we are sent here to perform. And for member, he has made arrangements to the price of the book to such members that purpose it may be well to have have the other fifty copies sent to him. as have already purchased copies. this work furnished to members so I do not understand that the books Mr. STOCKWELL. I apprehend that they may be able to consult it. belong to the State, or to the State that quite a number of the members of But after the adjournment of this conLibrary, but to the State Librarian in- this Convention are from the rural dis- vention, one hundred copies of this dividually. If that is the case, then tricts, farmers, mechanics, etc., who work in the library would be almost it would be unfair for this Convention have not had that opportunity for gen- so much waste paper; fifty copies will to borrow these books from the Libra- eral reading that other members have be just as valuable, and do just as much rian without remuneration, and then had. They desire to learn their du- good to members as one hundred to return them all on his hands at the ties, and would like to become conver- copies. I therefore am in favor of a close of our sitting. It, perhaps, sant with the rules and mode of pro- sufficient number of copies to furnish would be well to ascertain the exact cedure of Conventions of this charac-one for each table. condition of the matter, before the ter. I understand this book contains Mr. FARMER. I offer the followcommittee takes definite action. full information on those subjects, and ing as a substitute for the resolution

Mr. MUSSEY. I understand this I think it would prove of great service and pending amendments: matter a little differently from what to that portion of this Convention, and Resolved. That the State Librarian be inhas been stated here. I bought one hope the resolution may pass.

instructed to furnish each delegate a copy of of these books from the Librarian, and| Mr. BURTCH. I regret very much Jameson's work on constitutional conyenI understood from him that he had that I feel it my duty to intrude upon

tions. bought, out and out, ten copies of it, the attention of this Convention. There

Mr. PRATT. Mr. President; I am I think-some limited number at all is one book which I admire more than opposed to purchasing these books; events and that the rest of them all other books. It is a very great but if they are to be purchased, I am were to be sent here by the publish- book, a voluminous book, one adapted in favor of doing it directly, not indiers, to be sold at the wholesale price, I to all bodies, places, times and circum- rectly. :I can readily see that these or if not sold, to remain the property stances. That is the book of common- books will be of no use to the State afof the publishers.

sense. Let us open it and look at its ter the Convention adjourns. If they This résolution seems to contem- pages; and let us act according to its are to be purchased, I think they plate the furnishing these books to us | teachings in the Constitution which we should become the property of the for our use during the session of the may form, and thus promote the in-members. I therefore am in favor of Convention only, at the close, of which terest and welfare of our constituents.

the substitute of the gentleman from they are to be returned to the State. - Mr. DANIELLS. I agree with the Berrien, (Mr. -FARMER,) rather than It would seem to follow then that the gentleman from Lenawee, (Mr. STOCK-| the original resolution.. State must buy these 104 or 105 books, WELL,) that there are many members Mr. MILES. Mr. President, it is more or less, of the publishers, give us here from the rural districts. I am my good fortune to stand here as the the use of them during the time we re-one of them, and I have bought one of representative of an educated and in-. main here, and then when we adjourn these books for myself. So far as I telligent constituency, who have spent and go home, they are to be returned have read it, I think it a very useful their thousands in educating their chilto the State library. I have no hesita- volume, and I will vote to furnish it to dren. I know that they will not feel

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it a hardship to spend a few dollars The yeas and nays were ordered. terial to me in what method the object for the education of their represen- The question was taken, and the is accomplished. ;

tatives in this Convention. I am can- substitute was agreed to-yeas 49, The PRESIDENT. The Chair un* didly of opinion that if I study this book nays 36, as follows:

derstands the gentleman from Oakland, as I should, my constituents, when this

YEAS—Messrs. Aldrich, Andrus, Bills, 1(Mr. .

(Mr. P. D. WARNER,) as calling for a Convention shall adjourn, will be more Bradley, Burtenshaw, Case, Chapin, Chap- division of the question upon the respleased with my action here and with man, Conger, Crocker, Daniells, Divine, olution; and the question will first be Elliott, Estee, Farmer, Ferris, Germain, D.

taken upon that branch of the resoluthan they would be with the reflection Holmes, Holt, Howard, Huston, Ingalls, tion proposing a reconsideration of the that they had avoided an outlay of $4.

Lamb, Lawrežice, Leach, Longyear, Lovell, vote by which the communication was . I think that the benefit to me and to

McConnell, Miles, Murray, Mussey, Musgrave,

oli: referred to the committee on corpora- . them will fully compensate for the ex- Sutherland, Turner, Utley, Van Valkenburgh, tions. . pense of this book.

| W. E. Warner, F. C. Watkins, Woodhouse, The question being taken, the first Mr. BURTCH. As the gentleman

NAYS-Messrs. Alexander, Birney, Black-

branch of the resolution was agreed to. represents a very rich constituency, Iman, Brown, Burtch, Coolidge, Corbin, Des The question was taken on the sectrust they will unite with the constit- noyers, Duncan, Duncombe, W. F. Goodwin, ond branch of the resolution, proposing uences of other members 'here in es

Lotbrop, Luce, McClelland, Miller, Morton,
Ninde, Norris, Pratt, Rafter, Richmond, Root,

that the communication be referred to. tablishing an institution in which men Shearer, W. A. Smith, Stoughton, Thompson, the committee on public lands, and it can be educated in the science of gov- Tyler, Van Riper, Walker, P. D. Warner, M. was agreed to. ernment, so that the representatives of of C. Watkins, White, Willard, Williams, Yeo

TOWNSHIP ELECTIONS. the people will not have to be educated mans, Fresidents. after they come up here as members of

| The PRESIDENT. The question Mr. CHAPIN offered the following a Constitutional Convention. Laugh-recurs on the adoption of the original resolution, which was adopted: ter.]

resolution as amended by the adoption Resolved, That the Committee on Elections Mr. MILES. The gentleman will of the substitute.

be instructed to inquire and report as to the permit me to correct, him. I did notil Mr. THOMPSON. On that question propriety of changing the time of holding the

annual towoship meetings or elections, from say that I represented a rich constitu- \ I call for the yeas and nays."

the first Monday of April to the first Monday ency. I said that I represented an in- The yeas and nays were ordered. of February, of each year, telligent and educated constituency. The question was taken, and the

RULES OF THE CONVENTION. If the gentleman will come into the resolution as amended was agreed to;! Vi. A

solution as amended was agreed to;| Mr. ALDRICH. I move that the region where I reside, I will show him yeas 43, nays 42, as follows:

Convention now resolve itself into the ; the educational institutions which they | YEAS—Messrs. Andrus, Bills, Búrtenshaw,

Committee of the Whole and resume have established; and perhaps if he

Case, Chapin, Chapman, Conger, Crocker,

Daniells, Divine, Elliott, Estee, Farmer, Fer the consideration of the unfinished would attend some one of these insti- ris, Germain, Harris, Hazen, Henderson, Hix- business of yesterday. tutions for a while, it might save him son, Holmes, Holt, Howard, Huston, Ingalls,

The motion was agreed to. the trouble of snaglinair or sight. Lamb, Lawrence, Longyear, Lovell, McConthe trouble of speaking six or eight

nell, Miles, Murray, Mussey, Musgrave. Par. The Convention accordingly resolved times on each question that comes up sons, Sheldon, T. G. Smith, stockwell, Turner, itself into the Committee of the Whole here. [Laughter.]

Utley, Van Valkenburgb, F. C. Watkins, (Mr. BIRNEY in the Chair,) and reMr. ALEXANDER. Mr. President,

NAYS-Messrs. Aldrich, Alexander, Birney, sumed the consideration of the report I am opposed to this resolution and all Blackman, Bradley, Brown, Burtch, Coolidge, 1 of the Committee on Rules. the amendments. In the law author-Corbin, Desnoyers, Duncan, Duncombe, W. F.

The pending question was upon the izing this Convention, I find no pro-Go

Goodwin, D. Goodwin, Leach, Lothrop, Luce,
McClelland, Miller, Morton, Ninde, Norris,

substitute offered by Mr. LONGYEAR, for vision for the furnishing of a library Pratt, Rafter, Richmond, Root, Shearer, w: the following amendment of Mr. PRINto the Convention or its members. I A. Smith, Stoughton, Sutherland, Thompson, Lauri hec leave to read a short extract from Tyler, Van Riper, Walker, P. D. Warner, w. I:

..."Every article, after having passed the that law. It will be found on page 61 Williams, Yeomans, President-42.. E. Warner, M. C. Watkins, White, Willard,

committee of the whole, shall be referred for of the laws of 1867:

arrangement and phraseology to the commit

· LAND GRANT RAILROADS. "The Convention may furnish its members

tee for that purpose; and after having been with such books, papers and stationery, as

Mr. FERRIS. I offer the following read a third time and passed, shall be referred are now allowed by the Constitution to the resolution:

to the same committee for arrangement only.” members of the Legislature. And it shall be Resolved, That the vole by which the com-|

The substitute was read as follows: the duty of all State officers to furnish the munication from the Secretary of State, rela

" When an article has been read a third Convention with such papers, books and

tive to railroads to which länds have been time, it shall, before being put upon its final documents in their possession, as the Con

granted, was referred to the Committee on passage, be referred to the Committee on Arvention shall order for the use of the mem

Corporations, be reconsidered, and that the rangement and Phraseology, and when rebers during the session." same be referred to the Committee on Public

ported back by. that committee, the article This provision of the law under Lands.

sball be open to amendment as to arrangewhich we are convened, seems to me Mr. CONGER. I would inquire

ment'and phraseology only.” to show clearly that this Convention is whether that communication has been. Mr. WIL

Mr. WILLIAMS. I desire to offer :: not authorized to furnish to its mem- sent to the committee. If it has, I sup- in connection with that, a substitute for bers anything more than such books, I pose that the proper course would be both the pending propositions. papers and stationery as are now al- to move that the committee be dis-l The PRESIDENT. That is not in lowed by the Constitution to members charged from its further consideration. I order now, as there is already pending of the Legislature. I am therefore Mr. FERRIS. I understand that an amendment to an amendment..

the resolution and shall the communication has not yet heoni Mr. LONGYEAR. If it bein order, vote against it.

| placed in the hands of the committee. I would like to have the substitute of The PRESIDENT. . The first ques- The PRESIDENT. Such is the in- / the gentleman from Allegan, (Mr. tion is upon the substitute offered by formation of the Chair.

WILLIAMS,) read. Perhaps I may be the gentleman from Berrien, (Mr.Mr. P. D. WARNER. I submit willing to withdraw my substitute to FARMER.)

that two distinct motions cannot be give place to his.. . Mr. THOMPSON. On that, I call included in one resolution.

The proposed substitute of Mr. for the yeas and nays.

Mr. FERRIS. It is entirely imma-WILLIAMS was read as follows:



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