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Education--Messrs. Willard, Lotention of the people that we shall |
1 The Convention re-assembled at throp, Miller, Chapin, Bradley, Thomp
The Convention enter upon and proceed with our labor three o'ch our labor three o'clock p. m., and was called to
len to son, Hull, W. F. Goodwin, Richmond. at once. order by the President.
Finance and Taxation - Messrs. How long it will take us to perform
The roll was called and a quorum
Leach, Bills, McConnel, McClelland, that work, I cannot tell. I cordially answered to their names
Richmond, Alexander, Musgrave, Henapprove of the suggestion of the gen
derson, Woodhouse. tleman from Lenawee. (MR. BILLS.) STATIONERY, ETC., FOR OFFICIAL REPORTERS. Corporations other than Municipalthat it does not necessarily follow that Mr. PRINGLE offered the following Mersrs. Pringle, Barber, Hazen, Dunwe are to make an entirely new Con- resolution, which was adopted: can, Sawyer, Aldrich, Alexander, W. stitution. On the contrary, I think it Resolved, That the official reporters of E. Warner, Rafter. is a general desire on the part of the this Convention, be allowed the same books, Impeachment — Messrs. Blackman,
papers and documents that are allowed to people, that we should only revise some
I members, and that they be supplied with such Harris, Howard, Murray, W. E. Goodportions of our present Constitution. stationery as they may need, in the discharge win, Sawyer, Purcell. Parts of that Constitution have already of their official duties.
Exemptions-Messrs. Coolidge, Danbeen passed upon and construed by JOURNALS OF FIRST AND SECOND DAYS' iells, Lovell, Haire, Rafter. the courts, and we know just what they
| Militia-Messrs. Stoughton, Huston, mean. If we were to do away with
Mr. UTLEY. I offer the following
McConnell, Kenney, Andrus, Conger, those parts entirely, and frame new
Winans. resolution: parts to take their places, it might
Miscellaneous Provisions -- Messrs. Resolved, that the Secretary procure, for take another series of years before the
the use of this Convention. 200 extra copies Williams, Farmer, Barber, Withey, Constitution in those respects would of the Convention Journal,” of the 15th McKernan. be as well settled as it is now. That and 16th of this month.
Amendments and Revisions—Messrs. portion of the Constitution which has. In explanation of this resolution, I Giddings, Chapin, Huston, Elliott, Jenbeen settled by the decisions of the will say that I have been requested by nison. courts, and which has been found to the firemen to offer it, because there Schedule–Messig. Turner, Harris, meet the wants of the public, is very is a lack of journals of the first and Wright, Burtenshaw. Utlev.Case. Bradvaluable. We may make a new Con- second days of our proceedings to ley, Norris, Desnovers. stitution, but we cannot gain 16 or 18 make up the files of members. They Arrangement and Phraseology-Messrs. years of time in that respect. : are printed, but cannot be obtained Ninde, Birney. Coolidge, Blackman,
Other parts of the Constitution have without an order of this Convention. Sutherland, Willard, Danie not yet been acted on by the courts,
The resolution was adopted.
Bill of Rights-Messrs. Pratt, Dunsimply because they were so plain and
combe, Kenney, Van Riper, Andrews, clear that they needed no judicial ex- | The PRESIDENT announced the
Burtch, Purcell. planation. Upon those parts no im following as the standing committees
Public Lands - Messrs. Longyear, provement can be made. Some parts
Hazen, Winsor, Utley, Stockwell,White, 41.of the Convention: : of the Constitution may need amend
Corbin. ing, because the times have changed,
1 Boundaries, Seat of Government, and Intoxicating Liquors-Messrs. Bills, the condition of things in our own. State has changed, everything around ment-Messrs. Lamb, Longyear, F. C. D. Goodwin, Gulick, F. C. Watkins. us has changed. It seems to me that Watkins, Shearer, Leach.
Supplies -- Messrs. Aldrich, Case, the best course for us to pursue, is to Legislative Department-Messrs. Con- Root. Haire. Henkel.
to to a revigion of those ger, Pringle, Parsons, Luce, P. Dean Printing--Messrs. Hull, Ingalls, Morparts of the Constitution which need Warner, D. Goodwin, Morton, M. C. ton, Estee, Thompson. revision, and do it as speedily as pos- Watkins, Tyler.
RULES OF THE CONVENTION. sible, and then go home.
Executive Department Messrs. Bir
| Mr. BIRNEY. I move that the ConMr. BRADLEY. I move that the ney; MUS the ney, Mussey, Van Valkenburgh, Mc
44 vention now resolve itself into comresolution be laid upon the table. Clelland, Crocker, Lamb, Brown.
mittee of the whole, on the general | Judicial Department--Messrs. Withey, The motion was agreed to.
order. Turner, Giddings, Williams, Divine, Mr. CONGER. I have been advised,
heil The motion was agreed to.
Pratt, Lothrop, Sutherland, Norris, I am not sure how correctly, that the
The Convention accordingly resolved Holt, Lovell, Van Riper, Gulick. President of this Convention will be
itself into committee of the whole, (Mr. | Elections-Messrs. Van Valkenburgh, prepared in the course of the day to
4. BIRNEY in the Chair,) and proceeded to
Ferris, T. G. Smith, Burtenshaw, Fardesignate the various committees. If
the consideration of the general order, mer, Holmes, Yeomans, Crocker, JenSo, then I think it advisable that we
being the report of the committee on should have an afternoon session.
State Officers--Messrs. P. Dean WarThe PRESIDENT. The list of com- ner, Stoughton, Ingalls, Germain, I lished in the proceedings of Friday,
1 [See report of committee as pubmittees is now being copied; but it is Chapman not quite ready in the form in which
the 17th instant.]
Salaries--Messrs. Mussey, Woodthe Chair would desire to present it to house, Winsor, Brown, Holmes, Dun
The Secretary proceeded to read the the Convention. .
proposed rules for amendment. can, Musgrave, Desnoyers, McKernan. . Mr. CONGER. I move that the Counties—Messrs. Luce, Divine, ,
Rule 10 having been read, as folConvention take a recess till three Henderson, Stockwell, Miles, White,
lows: o'clock this afternoon. TM. O. Watkins, Hixson, Lawrence.
"No member sball speak more than twice on
the game question, nor more than once until The motion was agreed to; and Townships-Messrs. T. G. Smith, every inember who chooses to speak, shall accordingly (at twenty-five: minutes Walker, Burtch, Sheldon, W. A. Smith. have spoken;" i past twelve o'clock P. M.) the Con- Cities and Villages-Messrs. Miles, Mr. MUSSEY said: I move to vention took a recess until three Holt, Miller, Wright, Walker, W. E. amend rule ten, by adding these words: o'clock P. M. Warner, Henkel.'
“except chairmen of committees upon
matters reported by them.” I will proper word. The motion is “ to lay ual” upon our tables, where the phrase state briefly my reasons for offering on the table;" the subject matter is employed is, " to lie on the table.".. this amendment. I think it has been not already on the table, but before Mr. LEACH. I hope this most mo.. usual in legislative bodies, and will be the body considering it; and some ac- mentous question will be properly defound necessary here, to permit chair- tion must be performed before it is cided. [Laughter.] And if it can be men of committees to defend and ad- got on the table.
decided in no other way, I would be vocate their reports by speaking upon Mr. NINDE. I apprehend the gen- in favor of the committee rising, for them more than twice. I think every tleman from Muskegon (Mr. HOLT) the purpose of taking from the table one who has had any experience in mistakes the natare of the motion here the resolution of the gentleman from legislative proceedings will see the ne- contemplated. It is that a certain Jackson, (Mr. PRINGLE,) and adjourncessity of the amendment I have pro- matter be laid upon the table; it is not ing over until December next. The posed.
already upon the table, but before the word used in Jefferson's Manual, BarThe amendment was agreed to.. House. Some member wishing to dis- clay's Digest, and so far as I have been Rule 13 was read as follows: pose of it for the time being moves able to connsult them in all the author
16 When a question shall be under debate. I that it be laid upon the table, “ to lay ities, is “ lie." I think that word will no motion shall be received but the following, it upon the table;" when it is laid answer the purpose very well; and I to wit: 1. To adjourn; 2. To lay on the table; I there, then it lies upon the table, and hope the amendment will be adopted. 3. For the previous question; 4, To postpone to a day certain; 5. To commit; 6. To amend; nu till then. It is a very natural Mise not till then. It is a very natural mis- Mr. CONGER." The gentleman from
to CONUTU. Lues and 7. To postpone indefinitely'; which several take for persons to fall into, if they Hillsdale (Mr. PRATT) has referred us motions shall have precedence in the order have not given the subject special at-to the rule of the House of Represenin which they stand arranged.” .
tention; and if they do not give it at- tatives of this State where the phrase Mr. HOLT. I move to amend the tention until late in life, they some-lis oto lie on the table" Tf he will clause “to lay on the table," by sub-1 times fail to make these nice distinc- turn to the 34th rule of the Senate in stituting the word “lie” for the word
tions. (Laughter.) I have had no the same “Manual," he will find the “lay.” It should read, “to lie on the occasion for twenty-five years to consult phrases to lay on the table.”.. table."
the rules of the House of RepresentaMr. NINDE. Our proceedings are tives at Washington, or of the Legis- which is the proper word, is to con
* Mr. HARRIS. The way to decide to be in the English language, and the lature of the State of New York, or of sider the position of the matter to expression “to lay on the table” is the
| any other body upon this subject. proper one. "To lay” is an active
ubject. which the motion relates. Is the mat
My opinion upon this subject was verb, and mucales some acubo de per-| formed from Murray, and I see no oc- tion to let it solia on the towns is
ter upon the table? If so then the moformed.
casion to change it. When I say that Mr. HOLT. I have heard this ques- the water is so high in the river that it
proper. If it is not on the table, then tion discussed very often. It came up lestenda hevond its banks. I do notas
the motion to "lay it on the table,” is last winter, I recollect, when the rules that wit has overflown its banks.”
by proper. It appears to me the rule is
intimit mo n do of the House of Representatives were
Some gentleman fall into the same adopted. It was thoroughly discussed
| The question was then taken on the mistake in regard to "fly” and “flow," at that time, and all the authorities that. th
amendment of MR. HOLT, and it was ties that they do in regard to “lay” and were examined, not only so far as the clie.”
not agreed to. I lie down; I laid down last
Rule 21 was read as follows: State Legislatures were concerned, but night. If a man takes hold of me and also in reference to the rules of the
" When the Convention shall have reached he puts me on the ground, he lays me
the general orders of the day, they shall go it was found in almost, if not quite, Mr LOVELL. I ask the Secretary eral orders, or a particular order designated every instance, the word “lie” was to read two paragraphs I have marizañ | by a vote of the Convention," et used.
in the book entitled “Law and Prac Mr. HAZEN. I move to amend The reason this error of using the tice of Legislative Assembliegbut
using the tice of Legislative Assemblies," by L. this Rule, by striking out the word word “lay” occurs, as I understands Cushing.
“ they," and inserting the word “it," it, is from a misunderstanding of the
1 The Secretary read as follows: so that it will read, it shall go into term. There is no act to be performed.
"1444. The subsidiary or secondary mo
committee of the whole," etc. I think if gentlemen will examine ti tions in common use, are. the following,
The amendment was not agreed to. any parliamentary authority, Jeffer- namely: to amend, to commit, for the pre-l Rule 22 was read as follows: son's Manual, Cushing's Manual, or vious question, to lie on the table, and for
" Propositions committed to the committee any other standard work upon the postponement, all of which, except the mo
tion to lie on the table, have been previously
ly of the whole, shall first be read through by subject, they will find that the word considered." **
the Secretary, and then read and debated by used is “lie," and not “lay.”
clauses. All amendments shall be endorsed Mr. WILLIAMS. The committee
66 1449. The motion to lie on the table is a on a separate piece of paper, and so reported subsidiary motion, which supersedes and dis- |! Le
is to the Convention, by the Chairman standing on rules had before them the question poses of the motion to which it is applied for as to the proper word to be used. The the time being,” etc.
Mr. PRINGLE. I move to amend result of our investigation differed Mr. LOVELL. All I desire to say this rule by striking out."endorsed,” somewhat from the statement which in the matter is that Mr: Jefferson, if and inserting in its place the word has been made by the gentleman from my recollection serves me right, uses “written.” My reason for moving Muskegon, (Mr. HOLT.) We found a the same language, and the proper this amendment is that I suppose we difference in the rules of different motion is that the matter under con- are using the English language, and bodies, but if I recollect aright, we sideration “do lie on the table.” desire to use the proper English word. found that the word generally used, Mr. PRATT. Without desiring to The word “endorse” is a good English the one used by the Congress of the express any opinion of my own upon word, but it refers to something on the United States, and also by the Legis- this very nice question, I will only call back, that being the etymologial meanlature of the State of New York, was the attention of members to the 26th ing of the word. It seems to me that the word which we have adopted here. rule of the House of Representatives “ endorse” is not the proper word to It certainly occurs to me to be a very of Michigan, as set forth in the “Man- use in this place, but that the word
“written" would express what we the word “entered” is the proper suggestion for the consideration of the mean. word to be used.
I chairman of the committee on rules. Mr. WILLARD. I suppose the Mr. PRINGLE.The chairman Mr. WILLIAMS. That particular meaning of the rule is, that the amend- sometimes entertains a motion to question was not before the committee. ment is to be endorsed by the member amend, making the record himself and Still, I think the amendment suggested moving it, who is to endorse it by wri- not requiring it to be reduced to wri- by the gentleman from Wayne (Mr. ting his name on the back of it before ting by the mover. It seems to me, MCCLELLAND) would be a very proper sending it up to the chair. .
therefore, that the word “entered” is one, and I apprehend there would be Mr. MUSSEY. I do not understand more in consonance with the fact than no objection to it. this rule exactly as the gentleman from the word “endorsed.”
..... Mr. MCCLELLAND. Then I will Calhoun (Mr. WILLARD) seems to un- Mr. WILLIAMS. I suppose the move the amendment I have indicated. derstand it. I suppose the object of Secretary can make the change with- My impression is that it will be of the rule is to require the chairman of out a motion being made for that pur- service hereafter. the committee of the whole to keep the pose. i
The amendment was agreed to. amendments on separate pieces of pa- No objection being made, the Sec Rule 25 was read as follows: per; in other words, not to interline.retary changed the word “endorsed”! "A motion that the committee rise shall them in the body of the paper under to “entered." ;
always be in order, and shall be decided withconsideration. They are to be reported Rule 23 was read as follows:
Mr. WILLIAMS. I move to amend pon separate pieces of paper to the " The rules of the Convention shall be obConvention for their action, and if con- served in committee of the whole, so far as
Rule 25, by adding thereto the follow-in. curred in, then they are to be written they may be applicable, except that the yeasing:
and nays shall not be called, nor the previous in by the officer provided for that pur- question enforced.”
is And if decided in the affirmative, the
Chairman shall report the action of the compose, to wit: the engrossing clerk.
Mr. MCCLELLAND. I would res
mittee either upon the article or section or That is the object of the rule, as I un
sections had under consideration, as the comspectfully suggest to the Chairman of mittee of the whole shall direct." derstand it; and it strikes me that the
the Committee on Rules the propriety The amendment was agreed to. amendment proposed is eminently
of adopting some provision which will proper.
Rule 26 was read as follows: Mr. WILLIAMS. There would apenable a majority vote of the Conven
." All questions, whether in committee or tion to discharge the committee of in the Convention, shall be put in the order in pear to be an error by the printer, or in
the whole from the further considera- which they were moved, except in the case of the draft of these rules for the printer. The rule was intended to be the same I tion of any subject. As the rule now privileged questions; and in filling up blanks,
The largest sum and the longest time shall be stands, the committee of the whole first put.” as the rule of the old Convention,
could not be discharged except by a which had the word “entered," in
Mr. HOLT. I move to amend Rule stead of the word “endorsed.”
two-third vote suspending the rules. 126. bvstriling put all after the word Mr. PRINGLE. I have no objec
Mr. WILLIAMS. The Committee prijileged questions,” and inserting
ered” | on Rules took into consideration the in lieu thereof the following: substituted for the word "endorsed;” propriety oldavus arute by wach "When a blank is to be filled and different
the committee of the whole could be sums or times shall be proposed, the question and therefore I withdraw my amendment.
discharged from the consideration of shall be first taken on the largest sum or the Mr. BILLS. I think the word any particular subject. hay o written” is better than the word amendment to propose to rule 25, It is merely a change of phraseology. « entered.” The rule would then read,
which will probably secure the object But the rule, as it now reads, is not “all amendments shall be written on desired by the gentleman.
good grammar, to say the least of it. a separate piece of paper," etc. I Mr. MOCLELLAND: I am desir
The amendment was agreed to. would prefer the word “written " to ous of doing everything in my power |
Rule 28 was read as follows:, the word “entered.” to terminate the proceedings of this
*** Any member having voted with the ma. Mr. WILLIAMS. There would Convention, as speedily as possible.
jority, may be at liberty to move for a recon
POSINO. | sideration; and a motion for reconsideration seem to be an objection to using the Therefore I would prefer to have an shall be decided by a majority of votes." word “written.” I do not suppose amendment added to rule 23, in the Mr. LEACH. It strikes me that that it is intended that all amend- following words:
rule would sound better, if the words ments shall be written upon separateThe Convention may at any time, by a “ be at liberty to,” were stricken out; pieces of paper; but that they shall be vote of the majority of the members present, so that it will read_rany member antoned upon sono nato nipood from l provide for the discharge of the committee of 50 way Wise reduc es women
lihe whole, from the further consideration of having voted with the majority may that under consideration. '. IT in- any subject referred to it, alter acting without move for a reconsideration,” etc. I tended that they shall be embodied in | debate, on all amendments pending and that I move to strike out those words. some form upon pieces of paper sepa- may be offered."
The motion was agreed to.. rate from that upon which the subject. Unless something of that sort is
Rule 31 was read, as follows: .. matter under consideration is written done, if I understand parliamentary
6. Upon the call of the Convention, the or printed.
law, you cannot take anything away
away names of the members shall be called by the Mr. BLACKMAN. It seems to from the committee of the whole ex- Secretary, and the absentees noted; but no me that there is a misapprehension oncept by a vote of two-thirds of the excuse shall be made until the Convention the part of some members in relation members present. * Now. I think the some momhors in molotion I mömharic procent Now I thing, thril shall be fully called over; then the absentees
4 shall be called over the second time, and if to the intention of this rule. I sup- Convention should possess the power still absent, excuses are to be heard, and if no, posed, until the explanation of the gen- of discharging the committee of the excuse, or insufficient excuse be made, the tleman from Allegan, (Mr. WILLIAMS,) whole, whenever it sees fit to do so,
| absentees may, by order of those present, if
I there be fifteen members present, be taken that it had reference to the offering of bringing the matter before the code into custody.wherever found by the Sergeantamendments. It seems that it has vention, where debate can be stopped at-Arms. reference to the entering of them by by means of the previous question; Mr. WILLARD. I move to amend the chairman of the committee of the which cannot be done in committee of the rule by striking out as the,” where whole when made. I think, therefore, the whole, I merely throw out this it first occurs, and inserting “a," so
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that it will read Upon a call of the “be taken into custody wherever found any more calls of the yeas and nays Convention," etc. by the Sergeant-at-Arms."
than are absolutely necessary; thereThe amendment was agreed to. The amendment was not agreed to. fore, I would prefer to have the Rule Mr. WRIGHT. - I move to insert Rule 32 was read as follows:
so amended as to require twenty to the word “an," before the word “in- "The rules of parliamentary practice com- call the yeas and nays. That would sufficient, so that it will read or an prised in Jefferson's Manual shall govern the be one-fifth of the members of the Con
Convention in all cases to which they are ap- vention which insufficient excuse be made,” etc. ,
Tigunderstand is the plicable, and in which they are not inconsis- | The motion was agreed to.. tent with the standing rules and orders of rules in the House of Representatives Mr. BURTCH. : I move that this this Convention."
in Congress. I do not think it is imrule be laid upon the table for one day. | Mr. LEACH. I think the Rule portant to have the yeas and nays
The CHAIRMAN (Mr. BIRNEY.) The would read better if it were amended called often here.. committee of the whole has no table. by striking out the words, “and in MR. WILLIAMS. The committee
Mr. LONGYEAR. Imove to amend which," and insertiug the word “when," on rules have reported the rule of the the second clause of this rule by strik- in their place,” so that it will read, old Convention. I would like to hear ing out the word omade" and insert " when they are not inconsistent with from some members of the Convention ing the word “heard," so that it will the standing rules and orders of this of 1850 as to the working of that rule: read-o but no excuse shall be heard Convention.” I move that amendment. I in that Convention. until the Convention shall be fullyThe amendment was agreed to. MR. LEACH. I do not now recolcalled over;" also to amend the next Rule 33 was read as follows: lect distinctly, the working of this rule clause by striking out the words “are “The ayes and noes may be called for by in the Convention of 1850, but I am to," and inserting the word “may," so ted members.”.
very confident we should not have a that it will read- and if still absent, Mr. FARMER. I move to amend less number in this rule than ten. This excuses may be heard.”
by striking out the word "ten," and in- is a large Convention, and if we are Mr. BURTCH. I am opposed to serting the word “five.”
subject to the call of the yeas and nays, this rule in its present form. This Mr. HENDERSON. I call for a di- whenever they shall be demanded by Convention is here by virtue of the vision of the question, and ask that the ten members, we shall find that it will laws of the land. · No member eleeted vote be first taken on striking out the very materially delay the transaction of to this body is under any obligation word “ten." .
our business. I would greatly prefer to appear here. If he comes here he Mr. WILLIAMS. I rise to a ques- the suggestion of the gentleman from is to receive so much a day while in tion of ordei'. By the rules of the Genesee, (MR. LOVELL,) to put twenty actual attendance. I think if I feel House of Representatives, under which instead of five. disposed to absent myself entirely this Covention is now acting, the mo- Mr. LOVELL. I move to amend from this Convention, it is my unques- tion to strike out and insert is not the amendment by striking out the tionable privilege to do so, in the divisible. :.
word “ five," and inserting the word meantime not drawing any pay for the The CHAIRMAN. The Chair sus-1-twenty.”. time I may be absent. That is all tains the point of order.
:: Mr. LEACH. I am disposed to fathere is about it. It seems to me that The question was upon the amend- vor that proposition. If any important the proposition to arrest a member of ment of Mr. FARMER.
proposition comes up here, and memthe Convention if he should happen to Mr. MORTON. I doubt the policy bers wish to have their votes recorded, be a little late from any accident that of adopting the amendment, and allow- twenty members can order the yeas might occur, would be rather oppres- ing a less number than ten to order the and nays, but I trust it will not be put sive. I am opposed to this rule in its calling of the roll. Every time the in the power of five members to call present form...
roll is called it will cost the State of the yeas and nays on any question. Mr. P. D. WARNER. I would sug- Michigan a dollar or two. A matter Mr. HENDERSON. For reasons gest to the gentleman from Eaton, (Mr. sufficiently important to justify the substantially such as have been given BURTCH,) in order to quiet his sen- calling of the roll, can certainly obtain by other members, I called for a divissibilities, that if after the adoption of the support of ten members for that ion of the question, and asked that a this rule he should be very anxious to purpose. ."
separate vote be taken upon the moleave the Convention and return to his Mr. MUSSEY. I think the gentle- tion to strike out. That was not in home, perhaps he could obtain a vote man from Monroe, (Mr. MORTON,) is order under the rules of the House of of the Convention for leave to do so. correct. I had myself intended to Representatives, by which the action (Laughter.)
submit an amendment to strike out of this Convention is now governed. Mr. BURTCH. I have no doubt "ten,” and insert “fifteen.”. I will, My object, however, was to move to but what this House would be very however, be content to let the Rule insert a higher number than ten, should glad to extend that courtesy to me. stand as it now reads; but I cannot that be stricken out. I would prefer (Renewed laughter.)
favor the amendment of the gentleman twenty to ten.. The amendment of Mr. LONGYEAR from Berrien, (Mr. FARMER.) If there
rom Berrien, (Mr. FARMER.) If there Mr. MCCLELLAND. I believe the was then agreed to...
is under consideration any matter re- rule of the Convention of 1850 required Mr. THOMPSON. I move to further quiring the placing upon record the ten members to order the yeas and amend this Rule, by striking out the names of those voting upon it, then nays to be called. If I am not misword “excuse," after the words in- there can always be found ten members taken, the Convention of 1835 had a . sufficient;" and inserting in lieu the to order the call of the yeas and nays; similar rule. I had something to do word “one," so that it will read, “or and if any member desires to have his with the rules of the Convention of an insufficient one be made," etc. That name recorded, and there are not ten 1850; and I think a similar rule has will avoid a repetition of the word members willing to grant him his re- been adopted in several conventions of “excuse."
quest, then I think it should not be other States. It seems to me that the The amendment was agreed to granted. If the word “ ten" is stricken rule is as nearly correct in its present
Mr. BURTCH. I move to amend out, I hope the word “ fifteen” will be form as you can make it. I do not this Rule by striking out after the inserted in its place.
o think it will have a tendency to delay words "members present," the words. Mr. LOVELL. I would like to avoid the action of this Convention. It had
no such tendency in 1850, and I do not adjourn absolutely. If the members amend this rule by adding the followthink it will have any such tendency of this Convention shall become so ing: now. A less number than ten would neglectful of their duties as not to be “And every article reported upon by a comperhaps be too small, as it would put present. but leave the control of mat-, mittee shall be referred to the committee of the majority in the power of a small ters in the hands of a minority, then
on the whole, placed on the general order and
Horby, then printed.”' · minority. There may be a great many let the minority have the power to
My object in moving this amendquestions which will arise here, which adjourn, and let the majority take the ment is to do away with the necessity. a large majority of this Convention consequences.
upon a report of a committee being may consider of no moment, and it .: Mr. FARMER. We have already made, of submitting a motion to refer
Mr FARMER. We have alrea might not be well to leave it in the provided for that, by authorizing the it to the committee of the whole and power of six or eight to order the yeas minority to send the Sergeant-at-Arms print it. By this amendment the neand nays. I think, however, the num- after the absentees. ..
cessity of such a motion is done away ber now in the rule is correct.
Mr. WILLIAMS. If they do not with. Mr. LUCE. I fully agree with the choose to a
ne choose to send the Sergeant-at-Arms. The amendment was agreed to. . remarks of the gentleman from Wayne of
ne after them, then let them adjourn. Mr. CONGER. I move to further (Mr. MCCLELLAND.) I think the num
The question was then taken upon amend this rule by inserting after the ber ten, as reported by the committee Me Theap's amendment an
mittee Mr. FARMER's amendment, and upon a words “twice read," the words “in on rules, is as near right as we can posa division, aves 30, noes 21, it was adop- / whole or by its title, as the Convention sible make it. ted.
shall direct.” It may not be necessary The amendment was not agreed to.
Rule 35 was read as follows: for the whole article to be read to the Mr. THOMPSON. I have two or
"Every article shall receive three several Convention; but the same practice three objections to this rule as it now readings, previous to its being passed; and might be followed as in legislative stands. I do not think the phrase the second and third readings shall be on bodies. when bills are read by their sayes and noés” is correct. In rule
different days, and the third reading shall be
on a day subsequent to that in which it has | title. five the expression used is “yeas and
| passed a committee of the whole, unless the The amendment was agreed to.nays.” The two rules should be made Convention, by a vote of two-tbirds of the
Rule 37 was read as follows: : to conform, and I think this rule members present, shall otherwise direct; and
“Every article when read a third time and no article shall be declared adopted without should employ the same phrase as rule
the votes of a majority of all the members passed, shall be referred for arrangement five. For that purpose, and in order elect.”.
only, to the committee on arrangement and
phraseology." to change the phraseology somewhat,
aby Mr. MUŞSEY. I would like to make
Mr. VAN RIPER. I move the folI offer the following as a substitute for an inquiry in regard to this rule, and also
lowing as a substitute for rule 37: rule 33: the next rule. This rule requires that
"Every article when read a third time, and ." The yeas and nays shall be taken upon previous to being passed each article | before its passage, shall be referred fór arany question, whenever demanded by ten shall receive three separate readings. rangement and phraseology, to the appromembers."
Rule 36 requires that o no article shall priate committee, reported back to the ConThe substitute was agreed to. be committed or amended until it has
vention and put upon its final passage.”. Rule 34-was read as follows:
Questions are continually arising been twice read.” Are we to under
in our courts as to the meaning of cer:"A majority of the members elect shall stand that the article is to be read constitute a.quorum for the transaction of bus- through each time?
tain portions of our Constitution, in iness, but a less number may adjourn."
consequence partly of the looseness of
Mr. WILLIAMS. That question Mr. LONGYEAR. I would suggest
the phraseology. I understand that was before the committee, but no defi-| to the chairman of the committee on
we have a committee on arrangement nite action was taken upon it. But it rules the propriety of having a provis
and phraseology. I find nothing in would seem to be very difficult to read 100 duhor12118 tess number ball a l'any article in any other way than by lin wholoog
this rule in reference to a revision of quorum to order a call of the Conven
The role roads as sections. There will be no title, othertion.
follows. wise we might adopt a rule that the Mr. WILLIAMS. That is already
"Every article when read a third time and provided for by rule 31. .
| .180.second readings way be by passed, shall be referred for arrangement
the title. It cannot take up a great only, etc.” Mr. WALKER. Would not this
deal of time to read an article through rule 34, as it now stands, permit an
It is not to be referred for revision by sections. ..mi adjournment of the Convention for a
of phraseology. Now it seems to me
by only ten members, if there were be well to let this rule remain as it is, a very important matter. Also, under only that number present?
and then if the Convention does not this rule the reference for arrangement Mr. BURTCH. It seems to me that wish to listen to the reading of the en-can only be made after the article is by the rule as it now stands a less tire article, it could be dispensed with passed. By my amendment the refernumber than a majority of this body by. unanimous consent, or by a two-ence is to be made after the third readcould adjourn this Convention indefi-| third vote suspending the rule? In ing, but before the passage, in order nitely.
that way the objection of the gentle that it may still be open for action by Mr. FARMER. I move to amend man from Macomb, (Mr. MUSSEY,
man from Macomb, (Mr. MUSSEY,) the Convention after it shall have been this Rule by adding the words, “ from
might be obviated. There will be reported on by the committee on day to day."
some title to the several articles, and arrangement and phraseology. . Mr. WILLIAMS. I hope that amend-by unanimous consent they could be Mr. WILLIAMS. 1 th
read the first and second time by their should be adopted by which these sevessary that a less number than a ma-1 titles only.
eral articles can be referred to the jority of this Convention shall adjourn. I No amendment being offered, rule committee on arrangement and phranot only indefinitely, but without day. 136 was read as follows:
seology, before their third reading. I do not know why we should deter- "No article shall be committed or amend- Perhaps there might be a rule promine now that it shall be necessary to ed, until it has been twice read.
viding for the reference to the comhave a majority of this Convention to Mr. P. D. WARNER. I move to mittee on arrangement and phrase