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South Bend, Indiana. Each proposition is to made, I desire simply to say, that from able persons to report the debates of make the report for eighty cents per 1,000 ems, printer's measure. The Messrs. Drapier
20 all the examination which I have been this Convention. The committee would also submit an alternative proposition to fur- able to make, I am satisfied that either have been very glad not to have been nish the requisite force for ten dollars per of these men are capable of dis- required to make this recommendaday for each reporter. They also propose oharoring the duties of this nõgition:
se charging the duties of this position. I tion, but simply to have reported the not to include in their charges, such speeches as members may prepare wholly themselves. I would further say, in relation to this facts to the Convention as they apif they are notified, so as not to be required matter, that I am personally acquainted peared to the committee, and then let to take notes. The committee do pot regard with the ginger Mr Dronior havin
do not regard with the younger Mr. Drapier, having the Convention determine for themthe alternative proposition of these gentlemen a safe one to be acied upon, nor do they deem | known him in the army, as an excel-selves. :: the exception proposed às likely to be any lent, first-class and accurate reporter. The committee have had several considerable saving of expense to the state. It is for that reason that I make this meetings, and have spent the most of
The expense of the employment of either of these rival applicants would be about | motion.
their time, since their appointment, in $1,598 40 for their services, if the debates And there is another reason which, investigating this matter, and in detershould fill 800 pages of a volume like that I perhaps, has some influence with me. mining as far as they could what, in published in 1850, or twice that'amount for twice the number of pages..
The Messrs. Drapier are western men; their judgment, it would be best for The compensation demanded is large in they are citizens of a neighboring the Convention to do, and they have comparison with the sums usually paid to the State, and to a certain extent identi- I arrived at the conclusion expressed in officers of legislative and other public bodies, .and the Convention can only, in the opinionea will be
fied with the interests of this State. their report. ... of the committee, be justified in paying it, It seems to me that it is altogether From the testimonials which they on the ground that the proper performance of proper that in the selection of per- have, and from the oral statements the work requires a high degree of professional skill.
sons for this position we should take which they have heard, they are satisMessrs. Lord and Brown are experienced our own home men, as far as we can, fied that the gentlemen whose names reporters, wbo' have for several years been in preference to those who live in a l appear in the Congressional directory employed in the House of Representatives, at Washington, as reporters for the Congress
a more distant locality. Entertaining as two of the five reporters for the ional Globe.' Mr. Lord had been previously no doubt of the ability of Mr. Lord Congressional Globe in the House of employed in the Senate, the Kansas Investi- and Mr. Brown to perform this work, Representatives, Messrs. Lord and gating Committee of 1856, the Iowa Constitutional Convention of 1857, the Maryland Con
still its seems to me that we should Brown, are, from their great experistitutional Convention of 1864, and in many prefer gentlemen who live near us, lence and their high professional skill, other places demanding the exercise of the and who are almost residents of this first-class reporters in every sense of highest skill in his profession. Mr. Brown m State. ..
the term. The committee have also was, before his employment at Washington, for some years an official reporter in the Penn- In addition, I might say that the examined somewhat, specimens of their sylvania Legislature. Mr. Lord is vouched elder Mr. Drapier was for a long time work. They have turned over the tor in the most satisfactory manner by the lo resident of Michicon. that he mi
be a resident of Michigan; that he was pages of the Congressional Globe, and entire delegation from Michigan in the 3816 and 39th Congress, and by other well known the publisher of a newspaper in this have observed the character of the recitizens who became acquainted with him State at the time Michigan was admit- ports there made. They have also exwhile in the performance of his duties atted into this
is duties at ted into the Union, and that he is amined the report of the debates and Washington. Equally satisfactory recom: mendations of Mr. Brown are given by such identified with the interests of this proceedings of the Maryland Constituof the same gentlemen as the committee have State to a very great extent. The tional Convention of 1864, of which been able to meet.
younger Mr. Drapier was for a long body Mr, Lord was the chief official Toe Messrs. Drapier have been employed in several western conventions and other places. ( time with the army. He was the re- reporter. They have heard the stateand claim to be experienced and first class porter for å military commission at ments of individuals who have been in reporters, but the committee have not bad Nashville, Tennessee, where I had an Washington and had opportunities of opportunities of examining their work, or of perusing testimonials produced by them...
opportunity, from personal observa- observing how these gentlemen perThe committée, in view of all the circum- tion, to learn that he was a prompt, formed their duties as reporters. Your stances, recommend the employment of accurate and efficient reporter, and I committee have acted upon the idea Messrs. Lord and Brown, by the adoption of the following resolution:
have no doubt the Messrs. Drapier that the first, the best, the highest test Resolved, "That William Blair Lord, of New would discharge the duties of this posi- that the country afforded of the qualiYork, and David Wolfe, Brown, of Philadel- | tion as well as any other men whom fications of reporters was to be found phia, be appointed and employed as official reporters of this Convention, to make ver- we couru en proy: f we could employ..
in the House of Representatives at batim reports of all its debates and proceed. I will only add that I regret the Washington. It is reported that there, ings, they to employ all needful assistance, committee to which this matter was many are sometimes speaking at once, and to supply the printer with copy as fast as he may be able to use it, they also to cor
referred, did not as fully examine the and it requires a practiced ear and rect proots, and in all things relăting to their credentials of the Messrs. Drapier; as great skill to make such reports as we report of the debates and proceedings of the they did those of the gentlemen from find spread upon the pages of the Convention, to be governed by such rules and New York and Philadelphiai: They. Congressional Globe. That these genorders as the Convention may make, and to receive às full compensation for their services, reported the Journal and Debates of tlemen have been employed there for a the sum of eighty cents per thousand ems, the Kansas Constitutional Convention, series of years; that they are vouched for the printed matter, estimated as though I and in part those of Illinois and In- for by all the members of Congress set in solid type, contained in the report. EUGENE PRINGLE, Chairman. diana. In those States they are recog- from this State, and by a gentleman,
nized as first class reporters. I think formerly clerk in our House, and The report was received.
a fair examination of the recommen- now one of the clerks of the House of The question was upon the adoption
dations and credentials of the Messrs. Representatives at Washington -- a of the resolution reported by the com- 1 Drapier would show that they are gentleman well known to many memmittee::;
equally as good reporters in all bers of this Convention, and for whom Mr. STOUGHTON. I move to amend the resolution, by striking out states. For these reasons I hope the tary of this body - all this estaba the names of Messrs. Lord and Brown, l amendment will prevail.. : : lished the fact to the satisfaction of and inserting in lieu the names of Mr. PRINGLE. The resolution ap- your committee that these gentlemen Messrs. A. and W. H. Drapier.
pointing this committee required of stand among the first in their profesIn support of the motion I have them to recommend the names of suit-sion in the entire country.,
have nothinUGHTON.) ** from Euron samo an
We make no attack upon the gentle- military commission does not require are concerned, is a sufficient recommen who are named in the amend- the same amount of skill, nor does it mendation of itself. ment, proposed by the gentleman from furnish such strong testimonials of As to the other gentlemen named St. Joseph, (Mr. STOUGHTON.) We cer- ability as is presented by these other here, as has been said by the Chairtainly have nothing to say against men, when they show that for a series man of the committee, (Mr. PRINGLE, ) them. We have not had the like op- of years they have been reporters for I do not wish to say anything derogaportunity of examining their work, and the Congressional Globe.
tory of them. The difference between of assuring ourselves that they are I have no feeling in regard to this them and the gentlemen named in the really first-class reporters. With the matter; I have no particular prepos- resolution, as they presented them- . single exception of the testimony given session against the one of these gen- selves before the committee, and as by the gentleman from St. Joseph, tlemen or for the other. I have only they stand before this Convention, I. (Mr. STOUGHTON,) we have had no posi- the wish, and I suppose I have that regard to be simply this; we know the tive assurance that such is their char- wish in common with all who desire qualifications of Mr. Lord and Mr. acter as reporters. Without speaking that the reports of our debates shall Brown, but we do not know the qualiat length of what occurred in the com- be accurate, that if we employ report- fications of the other gentlemen. By mittee-room, I may say that the mem- ers at all, we should employ the best employing Messrs. Lord and Brown, bers of our committee got the idea talent which we may be able to pro- we have the certainty of securing the from hearing what was said by those cure.
necessary and requisite skill and ability gentlemen when they came before the Mr. F. C. WATKINS. I am in fa- for the proper performance of the committee, that what was really ex- vor of employing home talent and work; by employing the other gentlepected on the part of the western re- Western men. I hope the amendment men, we may secure the same skill, but porters was rather to make sketch in- will prevail. [Applause.) .. we have not the same certainty of so. stead of verbatim reports; such Mr. LONGYEAR. I will not detain doing. sketches, perhaps a little more at the Convention with any lengthy re- The expense of those debates is to length, as the newspapers have been marks. But I wish to bear my testi- be large, very large, in proportion to in the habit of giving of the proceed- mony, from personal knowledge, as to the balance of the expenses of this ings of our Legislature, rather than the qualifications of the gentlemen Convention. It is of the utmost imsuch verbatim reports as are usually named in the resolution now under portance, therefore, that we should made now of the proceedings and de- consideration.
have the certainty of having the work bates of Conventions like this, or as are I will premise by the suggestion, well done; because a work of this kind, made of the debates in both houses of that, as all no doubt are well aware, poorly done, is worse than if not done Congress.
the ability to photograph language as at all. I apprehend we should be very Now, we do not wish to risk any- it is expressed, to put it correctly upon careful to run no risk. Tbat was the thing in reference to the character of paper as it is spoken in rapid debate, main idea that influenced me in the the reports of the debates that are to is an ability requiring a great deal of committee, in giving the preference to take place here; and I believe the com- experience, and a high degree of skill; the gentlemen named in the resolumittee feel satisfied that we will risk a degree of skill possessed by but com- tion. I do not think we run any risk nothing in the employment of the gen- paratively few at the present time. of not having a correct report, if we tlemen who are named in the resolu- There are very few what may be called employ them. If we employ the other tion now before the Convention. I do first class reporters in the country. gentlemen, we will run a risk, because not say that we might not have good There are many who are able to make we are not so fully informed as to their reports if we employed the other gen- what might be considered very fair re- qualifications. I hope, therefore, the tlemen; I cannot say that, for I have ports of speeches or oral statements amendment will not be adopted. too great respect for the opinion of in testimony. But the ability to re- Mr. ALDRICH. As one of the the gentleman from St. Joseph, (Mr. port fully, correctly and continuously members of the committee which made STOUGHTON.) Still, I cannot help in a legislative or deliberative body is this report, it is perhaps proper that • thinking that there is a great differ- possessed by but very few persons. I should say a few words in explanaence in the skill which would be requi- The corps of reporters in Congress, tion of the course I shall pursue. site in reporting accurately the debates especially in the House of Represent. There may have been evidence suffiof such a body as this, and of such a atives, is unequaled by any other cient to induce the other members of body as the House of Representatives corps of reporters in the world. It is the committee to come to the concluin Washington, and the skill which so conceded, and it is necessarily thesion that cur western men were not would be required in reporting evi-case that they must possess that skill | qualified for the position they seek. dence given before a military commis- or they would fail there, antirely. No But such evidence was not presented sion. There are doubtless a number one who has not been in the hall of the to me, and I so stated to the commitof gentlemen upon this floor, accus- House of Representatives during its tee. To my mind, there was evidence tomed to practice in our courts, who sessions, especially during an exciting that our western men were as capable could take pretty accurate reports of debate, can have any other than a faint of performing the duties required, as what was said by witnesses upon the conception of the ability and skill was the gentleman from New York. trial of their causes, and who, besides necessary to report its debates and But there appears to be a competiexamining the witnesses, keep for proceedings correctly.
tion between these gentlemen. The themselves pretty accurate reports--a Mr. Lord and Mr. Brown, who are first proposition submitted to us by great deal fuller, at least, than the or- named in this resolution, have been one party, was to do this work for one dinary newspaper reports of the tes- reporters upon the Congressional Globe dollar per thousand ems, while the timony given by the witnesses; and corps, in the House of Representatives proposition submitted by the other what is done before military commis- for the time I had the honor to be a party was to do it for a lower rate of sions, I suppose, is something of a member of that body, for four sessions; compensation. The impression left similar character. In my judgment, and I can certify that they are of the upon the committee, as I understood and from such information as I have first in ability upon that corps, second it, by the one party, was that he could been able to obtain, reporting for a to none upon it; which, so far as they not afford to do the work for a less com
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pensation that that was the lowest it of them except what report stated and we should employ men of the highest ought to be done for. It forcibly re- what I learned from conversation with skill in the profession for that purpose. minded me of a story I once read of a individuals. I came to the conclusion We know that Mr. Lord possesses that: man who wanted a new hat. He pro- that both parties were competent, skill, for we have had evidence before ceeded to the store of an honest Quaker, therefore I merely said to the Chair- us that satisfied us of that fact. And as he thought, looked out the article man, that I would favor those who in addition to the evidence which he · he wished, but found that the price would do the work at the lowest price. submitted to us, I have here a letter of was too high. He tried to beat the In coming to that conclusion, I would recommendation addressed to me from Quaker down in his price, but the not ask whether a person lived west, Hon. William A. Howard, of this State, Quaker turned to him and said, “ As I east, north or south. In fact, I would which recommendation I think is enlive, I cannot afford it to thee cheap- be willing to employ a man from the titled to considerable weight. With er." The customer replied, “As you State of South Carolina to report our the permission of the Convention I will live, you may not be able to do it; butl debates, if he was as good a reporter read it. It is as follows: live more moderately and be damned as any other and would do the work
DETROIT, May 14, 1867. to you, and then you can.” (Laughter.) | cheaper. I do not recognize bounda DEAR SIR-The bearer, Mr. W. B. Lord, Now, if a party asked a high price for ries in these matters; we should be visits Lansing, wishing to be employed as re.. this work, and said that a competent national in all things.
porter of the Convention. I know him well.
He is just the man you want. He has no man could not be found to do it for Still, I do not like to have the idea superior. He went to Kansas with me. He less than one dollar per thousand ems, go out here that the Messrs. Drapier reported for the Committee on the "Conduct and yet when competition came in he are not competent to do this work. I of the War. He is one of the Congressional
Globe reporters. offered to do it for eighty cents per From conversation with men who are
Respectfully, thousand, it leaves us somewhat in the personally acquainted with them, I am
WM. Á. HOWARD. same fix as the parties in the story. I satisfied that they can do this work
Hon. D. L. PRATT. say let our Western men have the satisfactorily to the Convention.
Mr. LEACH. I desire to say but a . benefit of it.
1. Mr. PRATT. It will be noticed that single word in regard to this matter. Mr. COOLIDGE. I do not feel the the committee recommend that a ver- I was a member of the Convention of force of the remarks of the gentleman batim report be made of the debates 1850, and unless we can have somefrom Ingham, Mr. LONGYEAR.) All and proceedings of this Convention. thing vastly superior to the report the proof that I have before me of the I think it important that we should which was made of the debates of that competency of these gentlemen whose decide, in the first place, whether this Convention, I should prefer having names are before the Convention, is | Convention will order a verbatim nothing published but the simple jourfrom the statements of members of report.
nal of our proceedings. The report this body. It is said by two members. It may be known to the members of of the debates of the Convention of of the committee that these gentlemen this Convention that the book which I 1850 is very defective, very imperfect, from New York and Philadelphia are hold in my hands, which is the report and of very little value. Most all that competent. I have their statement, of the Convention of 1850, is not a there is in it which is of value is what. and I rely upon it. On the other verbatim report. I am told that very was written out by the members them. : hand I have the statement of the few Conventions like this. have verba-selves; and unless we can have somegentleman from St. Joseph, (Mr. tim reports made of their debates. thing vastly superior to that, I am in STOUGHTON,) who says he knows the But, it is my opinion, in order to have favor of having no report at all of our Messrs. Drapier to be competent reports which shall be valuable to us debates. men; and I rely upon his state-l as a matter of reference, and in order For my part, I shall vote for the ment. But I do not understand from to justify the very great expense which employment of Mr. Lord and Mr. what has been said here, why I can we are about to incur, our reports Brown to make our reports. I have conclude that the gentlemen from New should be verbatim.
had occasion for four years to obserye York and Philadelphia are competent Now what has influenced me in join-the proceedings of the House of Repreporters, and yet that I have not evi-ing in the recommendation that Mr. sentatives in Washington, and I know . dence that the Messrs. Drapier are Lord be employed for this purpose, is that no man can maintain his position : competent men. : I take the statement the fact that he has produced before on the staff of reporters for the Conof the honorable gentleman from St. the committee the report of the de-gressional Globe, unless he is a firstJoseph, and I take the statement of bates of the Maryland Constitutional class reporter. And I want no other the members of the committee. Convention of 1864, of which body he evidence of the competency of Mr.
I believe from all that I have heard, was the official reporter. We have Lord and Mr. Brown, than the fact that the gentlemen named in the examined that book, and are satisfied that they hold such a position there. amendment of the gentleman from St. from an inspection of it that it is a The question was upon the amendJoseph, (Mr. STOUGHTON,) are compe- verbatim report. We do not under- ment of Mr. STOUGHTON, to strike from tent to do the reporting for this con- take to say that these other gentlemen the resolution the names of Wm. Blair. vention; and I think there is force in are not qualified to make such a re- Lord, and David Wolfe Brown, and the remark which has been made, that port. All that we do undertake to say insert in lieu thereof the names of we ought to encourage those that live is that they have not furnished us suf-Messrs. A. and W. H. Drapier. . near us. It is very convenient to have ficient evidence to satisfy us that they | Upon a division, aves. 21, nays 44, reporters near us, and I shall vote for are entirely competent to make a ver- the amendment was not agreed to. the amendment.
.. lbatim report of the debates and pro- The resolution was then adopted. Mr. MORTON. I was one of the ceedings of this Convention. members of this committee, but being If we are not to have a verbatim RULES FOR THE CONVENTION. of the minority, I took but little part report made, but a mere sketch of our Mr. WILLIAMS. The committee, in the deliberations, except in reference debates, then there may be force in the to whom was referred the subject of to the price of printing. I certainly remark that we should employ western preparing rules for the government of expressed no preference between these men. But if we are to have an accu- this Convention, have instructed me to reporters, for I knew noting of either rate, precise and verbatim report, then report that they have had the same.;
under consideration, and recommend pnt, shall be decided, whether on appeal or the absentees may, by order of those present, · the adoption of the following as the on of the followinies on the otherwise, without debate.
if there be fifteen members present; be taken
RULE 17. Petitions, memorials, and other into custody wherever found by the Sergeantrules of this Convention:
papers addressed to the Convention, shall beat-Arms. Purry The President shall take the Chair presented by the President or a member in RULE 32. The rules of parliamentary pracat the time to which the Convention stands
his place, with a brief statement of the con- tice comprised in Jefferson's Manual shall adjourned, and call it to order; and thereupon
tents, and the name of the member present- govern the Convention in all cases to which the roll of the members shall be called by the ing the same endorsed thereon..
they are applicable, and in which they are not Secretary.
| RULE 18. When the President is putting inconsistent with the standing rules and RULE 2. Upon the appearance of a quorum,
the question, no member shall walk out or orders of this Convention. the Journal of the preceding day shall be
across the house; nor when a member is RULE 33. The ayes and noes may be called read by the Secretary, unless otherwise order
speaking, shall any person entertain any pris for by ten members. ed, and any mistake therein corrected.
vate discourse, or pass between him and the RULE 34. A majority of the members elect RULE 3. After the reading of the Journal of Chair.
shall constitute a quorum for the transaction the preceding day, the order of business shall
RULE 19. If the question in debate contains of business, but a less number may adjourn. be as follows: ....
several propositions, any member may have RULE 85. Every article shall receive three 1. Presentation of Petitions. the same divided. ::
several readings, previous to its being passed; + 2. Reports of Standing Committees.
RULE 20. A member called to order by the and the second and third readings shall be on 3. Reports of Select Committees.
Chair, shall immediately take his seat unless different days, and the third reading shall be 4. Motions and Resolutions.
permitted to explain, and the Convention, if on a day subsequent to that in which it has 5. Third reading of Articles.
appealed to; shall decide the case. If there passed a committee of the whole, unless the 6. Unfinished Business.
be no appeal, the decision of the Chair shall Convention, by å vote of two-thirds of the 7. Special Orders of the Day.
be submitted to. On an appeal, no member members present, shall otherwise direct; and 8. General Orders of the Day.
shall speak more than once without leave of no article.shall be declared adopted without RULE 4. The President sball preserve order
the Convention, and when a member is called the votes of a majority of all the members and decorum, and shall decide questions of
to order for offensive language, there shall be elect. order, subject to an appeal to the Convention. no debate.
RULE 36. No article shall be committed or RULE 5. The President shall vote upon all
RULE 21. When the Convention shall have amended, until it has been read twice. questions taken by yeas and nays, except on
reached the general orders of tho day, they RULE 37. Every article when read a third appeals from his own decisions, in which case
shall go into committee of the whole upon time and passed, shall be referred for arrangehe shall not vote.
such orders, or a particular order designated ment only, to the Committee on Arrangement RULE 6. The President may leave the
by a vote of the Convention; and no other and Phraseology. chair and appoint a member to preside, but
business shall be in order until the whole are Mr. PRINGLE. I move that the not for a longer time than one day, except
considered or passed, or the committee rise; by leave of the Convention.
and unless a particular subject is ordered up, rules reported by the committee be RULE 7. When the Convertion adjourns,
the committee of the whole shall consider, printed, referred to the committee of the members shall keep their seats until the
act upon, or pass, the general orders accord- the whole, and placed on the general President announces the adjournment. ing to the order of their reference. In form
order: · RULE 8. Every member, previous to his
| ing a committee of the whole, the President order: speaking, shall arise from his seat and address shall appoint a chairman to preside.
The motion was agreed to. himself to the President.
RULE 22. Propositions committed to the committee of the whole shall first be read
CLERGYMEN. TO OFFICIATE' IN CONVENTION. RULE 9. When two or more members rise at once, the President sball designate the
through by the Secretary, and then read and Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH. I am inember who is first to speak.
debated by clauses. All amendments shall | instructed by the committee appointed RULE 10. No member shall speak more
be endorsed on a separate piece of paper, and
to invite the resident clergymen of this than twice on the same question, nor more than once until every member who chooses to man standing in his place.
city to open our daily sessions with speak shall have spoken...
RULE 23. The rules of the Convention shall
devotional exercises, to report that RULE 11. Every motion shall be reduced to be observed in committee of the whole, so
... writing if required by the President or any
far as they may be applicable, except that the they have performed the duties asmember, and shall be stated by the President
ayes and ňays shall not be called, nor the pre- signed them, and have obtained a.. before debate. All resolutions and motions vious question enforced.
favorable response to the invitation. in writing sball be endorsed by the member
RULE 24. A Journal of the proceedings in committee of the whole shall be kept as in
The pastors of this city will be happy introducing the same. RULE 12. After a motion has been stated
to comply with the request of the ConConvention.
RULE 25. A motion that the committee rise / vention, and to perform the services by the President, it shall be deemed to be in the possession of the Convention, but may be shall always be in order, and shall be decided
desired of them. withdrawn at any time before decision or without debate.
RULE 26, All questions, whether in com- | Mr. GIDDINGS. I move that the amendment, but may be renewed by any
mittee or in the Convention, shall be put in / report be received and adopted. other member. RULE 13. When a question shall be under the order they were moved, except in the
The motion was agreed to.. . debate, no motion shall be received but the
case of privileged questions; and in filling up following, to wit: blanks, the largest sum and the longest time
LAND-GRANT RAILROADS. 1. To adjourn;
shall be first put.
RULE 27. No motion for reconsideration The PRESIDENT laid before the 2. To lay on the table;
shall be in order, unless within three days I chama 3. For the previous question;
Convention, the following communica4. To postpone to a day certain;
after the decision proposed to be reconsid5. To commit;
ered took place. A motion for reconsidera- tion from the Secretary of State: 6. To amend; tion being put and lost, (except in the case
STATE DEPARTMENT, MICHIGAN, , 7. To postpone indefinitely; of privileged motions,) shall not be renewed
: : SECRETARY'S OFFICE, Which several motions shall have preceon the same day.
Lansing, May 16th, 1867. dence in the order in which they stand
RULE 28. Any member having voted with
the majority, may be at liberty to move for a | HON. CHARLES M. CROSWELL, President of arranged,
| reconsideration; and a motion for reconsid- the Constitutional Convention: · RULE 14. A motion to adjourn shall always
eration shall be decided by a majority of SIR-In response to the resolution of the be in order; that, and the motion to lay on votes,
Convention, adopted yesterday, requiring the the table, shall be decided without debate...
RULE 29. All orders, resolutious or motions, Secretary of State to report the name and RULE 15. The previous question shall be shall be entered on the Journals of the Con- location of each railroad in the State, to in this form: "Shall the main question bel vention, with the name of the member moy-/ which public lands have been granted, &c., I now put?” And if demanded by a majority ling the same..
have the honor to transmit the accompanying of the members elect, its effect shall be to put " RULE 30. No rule of the Convention shall report, which embraces all the information an end to all debate, and bring the Conven- be suspended, altered or amended, without this department is able to furnish in regard tion to direct vote upon amendments, if any the concurrence of two-thirds of the members to the subject matter of the resolution. : are pending, and then upon the main ques- present, .
... Very respectfully, tion, which shall be the section or article | RULE 31. Upon the call of the Convention,
Ô. L. SPAULDING. under consideration, as the Convention may the names of the members shall be called by
Secretary of Slate. direct.
the Secretary, and the absentées noted; but RULE 16. All incidental questions of order: no excuse shall be made until the Convention ! On motion of Mr.PRINGLE, arising after a motion is made for the previous shall be fully called over; then the absentees! The report, was laid on the table. question, during the pendency of such mo. shall be called over the second time, and if a
Hordered printed in the journal, and is tion, or after the Convention shall have deter- still absent, excuses are to be heard, and if mined that the main question shall now be no excuse, or insufficient excuse be made, l as follows:
June 3, 1873.
June 3, 1871.
LIST of Railroads to which lands have been
STATE TREASURER'S OFFICE, I always been customary in this State to granted by acts of Congress, date of their
Lansing, May 17, 1867.
send to the newspapers of the State incorporation, and the number of acres of Hon. CHARLES M. CROSWELL, President of the
the published proceedings of both land granted to each, also the time to which : Constitutional Convention: said grants have been extended by Con DEAR SIR-In response to the following
houses of the Legislature, and I think gress:
resolution, adopted by the Constitutional it proper that a similar course should Convention on the 15th inst. :
be pursued by this Convention. I : Resolved, That the State Treasurer be re-line
hope this resolution will not be further 01 ss318000
quested to report, at an early day, to this jo poe sa
Convention, the amount, classification and amended so as to send these journals popuoixə əda!
terms of payment of the public debt of this to the township clerks. If they are State,
sent to them, in nine cases out of ten I would respectfully report that the funded and fundable State debt is as follows:
they will be thrown aside and treated •STICOI
as of no value, although they will cost the State a large sum of money.
Mr. HENDERSON. As I understand it, this resolution has now been amended so as to include the distribution of the debates. I am certainly opposed to that. portion of the resolution, although I was in favor of it in the form originally presented by the gentleman from Grand Traverse, (Mr. LEACH.) I am opposed to distributing the debates in this way; for while it will entail a great expense on the State, they will not be read, and thus neither the people nor ourselves will be benefited by them..
The question was on the amendment of Mr. BURTCH, and being taken, it was not agreed to.
The question recurred upon the resolution.
Mr. P. D. WARNER. I am not
fully advised in relation to the extent LIST of Railroads whose lines intersect, and
and scope of this resolution. As I number of acres of land granted to them
understand it, it imposes upon the jointly:
Secretary the duty of forwarding to each newspaper and county clerk in
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proceedings, and the debates of this H.D. BARTHOLOMEW, Convention. Now I am not aware that
Deputy Stlae Treasurer. this Convention has yet ordered the On motion of Mr. FERRIS, daily publication of our debates. If
The communication was laid on the that has not been done, then the Sectable, and ordered printed in the retary may find himself embarrassed journal.
in endeavoring to carry out the re
quirements of this resolution. DISTRIBUTION OF THE JOURNAL AND DE- Mr LEACH. I think the resolu. BATES.
tion was right as I originally offered Mr. LEACH. I move to take from it, providing simply that the journal the table the resolution offered by my- of proceedings should be sent to the self on the first day of the session of newspapers of the State. That has this Convention, in regard to furnish- been the course heretofore pursued by ing the journals of our proceedings to our Legislature, and I think it is the various newspapers of this State. about all that can be expected of us.
The motion was agreed to. . I opposed the amendments which have
The question was upon adopting the been made to it, but I am willing the resolution which had been amended resolution should be passed in its so as to read as follows:
present form.. Resolved. That the State Printer be incl Mr. LUCE. I do not know as I structed to forward, by mail one copy of the yet understand the effect of this resodaily journal and debates to each newspaper lution. If it is to send a copy of the published in the State, and to each county clerk, during the session of the Convention.
debates as well as of the journal, to
the newspapers and county clerks, Mr. BURTCH. I move to further then I am opposed to it. I therefore
| amend the resolution so as to provide offer the following substitute for the STATE DEBT.
for sending one copy to each township resolution: The PRESIDENT also laid before clerk,
sal Resolved, That the State Printer be instructhe Convention the following commu-1 Mr. LEACH. We have now reached (ted to forward by mail, one copy of the daily nication from the State Treasurer: the third day of our session. It has journal to each of the newspapers published
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