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stitution, even though their compensa- gentleman, whom I desire to treat at me, the salary of the officer should be tion might not be so high as they all times with the greatest respect. All reduced. The duties of other officers would desire, rather than that the that I intended to intimate was, that, may be, and probably will be, increased. question should be left in uncertainty after we have specified particularly in The duties of the Superintendent of and their compensation be subject to this section, what these salaries shall Public Instruction will in all probability the caprice of the Legislature.. be, it involves a little inconsistency, to be increased as the State continues to

But, sir, I object to the amend say the least, to declare that the Legis- advance in population. Hence it seems ment on another ground. I ap- lature may at any time increase or di- to me impossible for us to fix the prehend that there is not much minish these salaries. This was all that amounts of these salaries in the Condanger that the Legislature will I intended to say; and I certainly stitution in such a manner that they reduce salaries. That body is not meant no discourtesy toward the gen- can remain permanently and be such ordinarily very much inclined in that tleman from Wayne.

as we shall desire to have them hereafdirection. The Legislature, however, Mr. GIDDINGS. · I ask a division of ter. Consequently, I am in favor of under pressure of circumstances such the question on this amendment, so as the provision adopted on the motion of as we have had for the last few years, to take the question first on inserting the gentleman from Wayne; but I think may be induced to increase salaries. the words, " by a two-thirds vote of the its operation should be somewhat reNow, so far as I am concerned, if we members elect to each House.". stricted by the amendment which I are to designate amounts of salary at The PRESIDENT. A division being have proposed. all in the Constitution, I prefer to fix called for, the question will be first The question being taken on the first those amounts definitely and perma- taken on inserting the words just sta- division of the amendment of Mr. Holt, nently...

ted by the gentleman from Kalamazoo, to add at the end of the section the The amendment of the gentleman (Mr. GIDDINGS.) from Muskegon, (Mr. HOLT,) seems to Mr. LOVELL. I move to amend members elect to each House," it was me very objectionable. It provides that the amendment by striking out “two- not agreed to; there being ayes 18, noes the salaries shall not be changed during thirds," and inserting "& majority." 40. the term for which any of these officers The amendment to the amendment The question then recurred on the were elected. How would this provis-was not agreed to.. .

Becond division of the amendment to ion operate? The Legislature may, in its The question then recurred on the add at the end of the section the words: wisdom, see fit to change the salary of first division of Mr. HOLT's amendment. “ but not during the term of office for the judges of the Supreme Court, re- Mr. HOLT. Mr. President, I think which such officers were respectively, ducing the salary, we will suppose, that some provision similar to that elected;" 80 as. to make the last clause from $3,000 to $2,500. But that re- which I propose should be incorporated read: “It shall be competent for the duction could not take effect during in this section. We have already pro- Legislature to increase or diminish the the term of any of the incumbents. vided, by the adoption of another salaries herein provided, but not during The effect, therefore, of this provision amendment, that the salaries named the term of office for which such offiwould be that the newly-elected judge in the section may be increased or cers were respectively elected." would receive a salary of $2,500, while diminished by the Legislature. Now, The second division of Mr. HOLT's his associates would receive $3,000. it seems to me that there should be amendment was not agreed to.. There would be a similar discrepancy some safeguard or restriction in regard 1. Mr. WINSOR. Imove to reconsider of salary if the compensation should be to the increase or diminution of these the vote by which the Convention increased. Hence, I think any provis- salaries; otherwise there will be an in- adopted the amendment of the gentleion of this sort would be very objection- cessant wrangling in regard to a change man from Wayne, (Mr. MCCLELLAND,). able. The amendment of the gentle- of salaries. It seems to me impossible by which the last clause of the section man from Wayne (Mr. MCCLELLAND) for us to fix salaries in the Constitution was made to read thus: “It shall be did not meet my approbation; I voted in such a way that they shall perma-competent for the Legislature to inagainst it; but the Convention has nently remain at the amounts desig- crease or diminish the salaries herein seen fit to adopt it, and, of course, Inated, and still be such as we shall in provided.”. have nothing to say against the decis- the future desire to have them. It is The PRESIDENT. Did the gentleion. Bnt I think this amendment to be presumed that this Constitution man vote in the affirmative? makes the section still more objection- will continue in force a number of Mr. WINSOR. I did. able; and I hope it will not prevail. years, during which time the duties of Mr. CONGER. I hope, Mr. PresiIt certainly ought not to prevail. : these several officers may be, and dent, that this motion will prevail. So

Mr. UTLEY. If it be in order, I probably will be, considerably changed. far as I am concerned I do not know wish to move to strike out this entire We know that in years past, various how it may be with other gentlemansection..

changes have been made in the duties I dislike to spend some time in carry· Mr. GIDDINGS. I hope we shall of these officers; and we have reason ing a proposition through the commithave an opportunity to make our to expect that such changes will be tee of the whole, or through the Conamendments before such a proposition made hereafter. It was strongly urged vention, and then hand it over to its is entertained.

at an earlier stage of our session enemies, to be slaughtered at their The PRESIDENT. As a matter of here, that the duties of the Audi- pleasure. It may be good tactics conrse, if a motion is made to strike tor General should be somewhat for the opponents of a measure to out the section, amendments designed changed; that sales of lands for taxes get it in such a position. My friend to perfect the section will first be in should be made in the several coun- from Wayne, in leading off in this order.

ties, thereby relieving the Auditor effort this afternoon, has done well; Mr. STOUGHTON. Mr. President, General's office from the present du- and many of those who voted for fixin the remarks which I made in rela- ties in connection with this business, ing the salaries in the Constitution, tion to the motion which, I now learn, If such a change should hereafter be have rushed on after him, so that we was made by the gentleman from made, of course the duties of that have undone the work of this morning.. Wayne, (Mr. MOCLELLAND,) I certainly office will be diminished very materi- I desire, however, that we shall now intended ao discourtesy towards that ally; and in such a case, it seems to reconsider the proposition, and leave

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the salaries as we have fixed them. Mr. WINSOR. Mr. President, I have Williams, Woodhouse, Wright, and Yeomans This morning I asked the Convention made this motion to reconsider in good to empower the Legislature to author- faith. As a member of the com- FEES AND PERQUISITES OF STATE OFFICERS. ize a county to give the circuit judge a mittee on salaries, I think the amend. Mr. BILLS. I move to amend the little additional salary, if it should be ment of the gentleman from Wayne, section, by striking out the words. deemed necessary; but that proposition (Mr. MCCLELLAND,) does away with was objected to, because, it was said, it the force and effect of our labors. If we sites whatever for the performance of would give too much power to the desire to leave salaries to be regulated any duties connected with their offices :"> Legislature. Yet the very gentlemen by the Legislature, let us say so in and inserting in lieu thereof the followwho argued most strongly that they plain words. Let us not accomplish ing: “They shall not be entitled to any wanted the salary of the circuit judge the purpose by a long section of this fees or perquisites for the performance a fixed thing, not subject to change by kind, pretending at the outset to fix of the duties of their respective offices, the Legislature or by the counties- salaries, and then closing by a declara- | but all perquisites received shall be and among those the ever-present and stion that the Legislature shall have paid into the State Treasury." ". ever-watchful gentleman from Branch, power to nullify or reverse all our ac- Mr. President, the clause as it now (Mr. LUCE,)--have joined in accom-tion. If we desire that the Legislature stands provides simply, as it was proplishing another purpose—the slaugh- shall have control of this subject, let us bably the intention of the committee ter of this article. Still, sir, there is a say so in brief and unmistakable lan- that it should provide, that the fees shrewdness about this which might guage.

received shall not inure to the benefit well be imitated by myself and some Mr. CONGER. I call for the yeas of the officers. I desire by this amendof my friends who voted for fixing and nays.;

ment to provide that such fees as shall salaries in the Constitution. I hope The yeas and nays were ordered. be received by these officers in the that we shall stand by our work). The question was taken, and the mo- discharge of their official duties, shall somewhere, or give it up entirely and tion to reconsider the vote by which | be paid into the treasury of the State. go home. This is one of those cases the amendment of Mr. MCCLELLAND had Mr. DANIELLS. I should be glad where, if I knew the Latin quoted by been adopted, was agreed to; there if the gentleman from Lenawee, (Mr. my friend from Clinton, (Mr. Dan-being yeas 44, nays 32, as follows: BILLS,) would tell us what the perquiso IELLS,) the other day, about being | YEAS-Messrs. Alexander, Andrus, Barber, ites of a judge will be. I believe that taught by an enemy, I should desire to Bills, Blackman, Case, Chapin, Chapman,

a judge has the right to take the acConger, Daniells, Divine, Estee, Farmer, apply it in the case of myself and my Fer

knowledgment of a deed, for which he friends.

Kenney, Leach, Longyear, McKernan, Miles, would be entitled to twenty-five cents; Mr. SAWYER. Mr. President. I Murray, Mussey, Ninde, Pringle, Rafter,

and I do not know but that he has a Richmond, Sheldon, Stoughton, Sutherland, have sat here during this morning, and Thompson, Turner, Tyler, Utley, Van Valken- right to perform the marriage cerethus far this afternoon, and have heard burgh, White; Winsor, Withey, Williams,

mony. the discussions on this subject. I wish Woodhouse, Wright, and Yeomans—44.

| Mr. GIDDINGS. If there are any

Nays-Messrs. Aldrich, Brown, Coolidge, to judge of this matter in a serious Corbin. Crocker. Desnovers. Duncan, Dun- perquisites attached to the office of light; and, though I desire to occupy combe, Elliott, Henderson, Holt, Huston, judge, I would like to know what they as little time as possible, that the Lamb, Lawrence, Lovell, Luce, McClelland,

are. : : McConnell, Miller, Morton, Musgrave, Norris, Convention may proceed with its Purcell, Sawyer, Shearer, T. G. Smith,

Mr. DANIELLS. It seems to me business, I will say that, were I Stockwell, Walker, P. D. Warner, M. C. Wat- rather a picayune business to insert a dealing with this subject as one kins, Willard, and Winans--32.

provision of this kind. under my own control, I should The PRESIDENT. The motion to

The PRESIDENT. The motion to

Mr. MUSSEY. Mr. President, I

M not want to bind my hands in such a reconsider having been agreed to, the hope that this amendment will prevail. manner that I could not make a bar-question now recurs on the amendment There seems to be a little squirming gain at a future time for procuring the offered by the gentleman from Wayne

e for procuring the offered by the gentleman from Wayne, about it; and gentlemen would have services of those whom I might need, (Mr. MCCLELLAND,) to make the last 128 think that it at as cheap a rate as possible, consis- clause of the section read as follows: small consegna

lause of the section read as follows: small consequence. But it is well tent with the honorable and faithful “ It shall be competent for the Legis- known that much has been said, and a performance of those services. I deem lature to increase or diminish the sal-'good deal of feeli it very proper that the Legislature of aries herein provided.”

in regard to the perquisites of these shall be enabled in the fu- Mr. CONGER. I call for the yeas State officers, or the fees which have ture to modify the action which we and nays on this question.

been received for statements in regard may take in regard to salaries, if, in The yeas and nays were ordered. I to tax-titles and matters of that kind..

any change of circum-] The question was taken, and the I do not wish to disguise the fact that stances, it should be necessary, and to amendment of Mr. MCCLELLAND was in drawing this part of the section my allow just such salaries as may fully not agreed to; there being yeas 36,

| understanding was that it would precompensate the officers of our State for nays 42, as follows:

clude these officers from receiving their services. Five or ten or a dozen Yeas—Messrs. Aldrich, Blackman, Bradley, any of these fees. But on further years hence, one dollar may be worth as- Brown, Coolidge, Corbin, Crocker, Desnoyers, consideration of the matter, I prefer

Duncan, Duncombe, Hazen, Henderson, much as three dollars are now worth;

Holt, Huston, Lamb, Lawrence, Lovell, Luce,

; that the clause should be modified in and hence, the salaries specified in this McClelland, McConnell, Miller, Morton, Mus the manner proposed by this amendarticle may be practically much great-grave, Norris, Purcell, Rafter; Sawyer, ment, so that neither these officers, nor

Shearer, T. G. Smith, Stockwell, Van Valer than they are to-day, and may be kenburgh, Walker, P. D. Warner, M. C.

any of the clerks in the various de- : at that time vastly more than will be Watkins, Willard, and Winans,—36. partments, shall receive these fees and necessary to procure the services of competent mien. Hence, I consider it

Bills, Case, Chapin, Chapman, Conger, Dan-
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din ceived for the labor of these public

bao labor ese pube necessary for the interest of the State, Germain, Giddings, Holmes, Howard, Ken- officers in any way, shall be paid diand not calculated to do injustice to ney, Leach, Longyear, McKernan, Miles, rectly into the State treasury, rather any one, that the Legislature should

Murray, Mussey, Ninde, Pringle, Richmond, the
Sheldon, Stoughton, Sutherland, Thompson,

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de have some control of this subject.

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ploy the necessary assistants for any General's office, I apprehend that they Mr. GIDDINGS. The mere fact that greater number than seven. He finds are annually larger than the salary a man may take one hundred dol- it difficult to obtain competent men to which that officer has been receiving lars, outside of the provisions of this take charge of these institutes in his for the last fifteen years. I desire that constitution, has no pertinence as an absence; and he does not feel disposed these fees shall go where I think they argument on this question; for any to appropriate any part of his salary · properly belong. These public officers other officer may do the same. I base for this purpose. But it is not to be

and their clerks are employed to attend this proposition entirely on the fact denied-and I do not wish to lead any to the public business for the State; that the salary named in this section is one astray in regard to this matterand whatever is earned in those offices to be the entire compensation of this that the Superintendent does, as he should, I think, go into the State treas- offlcer. He ought not to have any has stated to me definitely and dis : ury. I hope the amendment will pre-other compensation; and I think that tinctly, expect to receive himself so vail.

the people ought to know what he is much of these sums of one hundred The amendment was adopted. to receive. The Superintendent has dollars as will pay his expenses in at

stated, I believe, that he does not re-tending these institutes; that is all. SALARY OF SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC naive anythinc for his arnanses

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think he stated this when I saw him supposed; and it was for that reason Mr. GIDDINGS. Mr. President, I here in this hall, about the time of our that I raised the question. now desire to present an amendment convening; and the gentleman from Mr. CONGER. Mr. President, I which I have already suggested. It is Allegan (Mr. WILLIAMS) informs me would inquire whether, by the amendthe only change which I have much that he also heard him say so. ..ment adopted on motion of the gentledesired to have made. Imove to amend Mr. MUSSEY. Mr. President, I man from Lenawee, (Mr. BILLS,) this the section by inserting after the word regret to occupy time upon this ques-section has not been so modified as to 6 thousand," the words “five hundred," tion, but still I feel it my duty to do provide that no perquisites of that kind so as to make the salary of the Super-what I can to present the facts in re-connected with this or any other office intendent of Public Instruction $2,500.gard to this matter. In the first place, I think that this increase is proper; it the present Constitution provides in bent. If money is set apart for the exis only giving this officer & compensaregard to these officers that they penses of teachers' institutes, it seems tion somewhat proportionate to the shall receive no fees or perquisites to me that, under the clause as it has services which he renders...

whatever for the performance of any been adopted, the Superintendent Mr. HENDERSON. Mr. President, | duties connected with their offices;" would not be permitted to appropriate during the informal discussion of this and in the same article the salary of for his own expenses any part of that proposition this morning, it was stated the Superintendent of Public Instruc- money. I ask that the clause as that the Superintendent of Public In- tion is fixed at one thousand dollars a amended by the amendment of the struction does not now receive any oth-year. Now, under that provision, the gentleman from Lenaweo be read. er compensation than his salary. I Superintendent receives one thoni-/ The PRESIDENT. The clause, as have since heard it stated that he is sand dollars annually as his sala- amended reads thus: “They shall not allowed his expenses--that in connec-ry. There has. However been be entitled to any fees or perquisites tion with every teachers' institute that an appropriation made by our Legis- for the performance of the duties of he holds throughout the State, a hun-lature from year to year, providing for their respective offices, but all perquidred dollars is allowed him for his ex- the expenses of teachers" institutes: sites received shall be paid into the penses. Now, if his expenses are paid and I believe the last Legislature pro-State treasury.".. him, I do not think it right to increase vided that one hundred dollars shoula Mr. CONGER. Now, as I underhis salary. I think the argument all be appropriated for the expenses of stand, the provision of the law is hinges on this one point. If no ar- such institutes, not to exceed eighteen the Superintendent or pu rangement is made for paying his ex- in any one year. This matter of tion shall hold so many teachers' instipenses, then I think we should increase teachers' institutes is under the controlltutes. his salary; but I think the fact is that of the Superintendent. He appropri- Mr. MUSSEY. May hold. he receives an allowance for his expen-Jates that money for paying his expen- | Mr. CONGER. May hold so many ses.

ses and hiring his assistants. He is teachers' institutes; and there is a cerMr. WILLIAMS. I would inquire obliged to employ others to assist him tain sum appropriated to pay the exof the gentleman whether, if this arti- in carrying on these institutes. He penses of these institutes. I asked this cle be adopted in its present form, any attends to this duty so far as he can morning, when we had this subject perquisites or traveling expenses can with the appropriations which are under consideration, whether the be paid this officer any more than any made, without drawing upon his salary. traveling expenses incurred by this other officer. The present law may Ordinarily, as he himself states, he officer in going over the State were provide for allowing him his expenses; endeavors to reserve enough out of paid by the State; and I then underbut the effect of this constitutional these appropriations to pay his ex- stood some one to say that the only provision would be to abrogate any penses. This allowance for expenses expenses allowed him were for holding such provision of law.

: would increase the entire amount of these teachers' institutes and for the Mr. HENDERSON. I understand his present salary to about $1800. As traveling in connection therewith; that that the law now allows this officer one I stated the other day, the Superinten- his expenses in traveling from county hundred dollars for his expenses in dent, under the pressure of business to county on other business connected connection with each teachers' ingti- and on account of his time being 80 with the educational interests of the tute.

largely occupied, has felt at liberty to State were not paid by the State in Mr. WILLIAMS. I do not know appoint for the last year only seven any way. Now, if this officer does his whether such is the law or not; but at institutes, instead of eighteen--not duty, he should visit each county any rate I apprehend that a law of that because the latter number is not neces- of the State at least once in each kind would be unconstitutional, under sary, but from the fact that, with year, or once in every two years;

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and with this traveling there. In regard to the allowance for trav- anything beyond the amount which is necessarily connected considerable eling expenses generally, I under-may be fixed in the Constitution. expense. If the amendment adopted stand that the traveling expenses of There are reasons which very strongly on motion of the gentleman from Len- this officer in coming from his resi-1incline me to think that, if the salary awee would, by its letter or its spirit, dence to this place, or in going from of the Superintendent be fixed at two prevent this officer from applying for here to his place of residence, are never thousand dollars, then, as he is rethe payment of his expenses, the ap- paid by the State; but if, in the dis-quired in the discharge of his duties propriations made for the expenses of charge of his duties as Superintendent to travel almost continuously throughteachers' institutes, then I am in favor of educational matters, he is required out the State, his traveling expenses of increasing the amount of his salary. I to go from the Capital to any particu- should be paid. If he is obliged to With this view, I shall favor the propo- lar point--for instance, to attend a draw upon his salary for the payment sition; and I call for the yeas and nays meeting of the Board of Regents of the of his traveling expenses, his inclinaon the pending question.

University-the State pays his expenses. tion would be to travel as little as posMr. MUSSÉY. I meant to have This will illustrate the cases in which sible; and thus there would be a tempmade an explanation upon this expenses are allowed. :::

tation to neglect the duties properly point. I do not understand that Mr. CONGER. I had supposed that devolving upon him. Now, it must be the holding of these teachers' institutes this officer could not receive his travel-apparent to every member of this Conis imperatively made a part of ing expenses in that way, because if I vention, that if the Superintendent of the duties of the State Superitendent. recollect aright, the courts have de- Public Instruction is to be in the highIt is not directly and necessarily a partcided against the constitutionality of est degree serviceable to the State, it of his duties as Superintendent of any such allowance. The heirs of is important that he should be almost Public Instruction under the Constitu- Judge Whipple brought a suit, I be- continually traveling about in different tion, but is an extra or extraordinary lieve, to recover for traveling expenses parts of the State. We have in this duty. For instance, if he were made in connection with the performance of State, fifty or sixty organized counties; by law a member of the board of con- his duties as judge, in traveling to and so that this officer can, in the course trol, or of the canal board, or any other fro on his circuit. The Supreme Court of the year, spend only about one week board, the duties imposed in this way in that case decided that under the in each county, even if he devotes all would be extra duties, for which he constitutional provision there could be his time in traveling from county to would be entitled, as I understand, to no allowance for traveling expenses; county. extra compensation; and these duties that such an allowance would be un- I desire to call attention to the fur. in connection with teachers' institutes constitutional. I do not know that I ther fact, that in order to make this offiare in the same sense extra duties. remember accurately the particulars cerin the highest degret serviceable to

Mr. CONGER. The gentleman will of the case; but if such be the ruling the State, it has been deemed proper by allow me to ask whether the law does of the courts on this question, then we the Legislature to provide-and I think not provide that these institutes shall should vote upon the salary of this of- it has been very properly providedbe held under the direction of the Su- ficer with the understanding that he is that the Superintendent should hold perintendent of Public Instruction, de- not to be allowed traveling expenses; teachers' institutes in different parts of fining the officer by name? : and if the Superintendent must pay the State. From my knowledge of these : Mr. MUSSEY. When I say that his own traveling expenses, then I institutes, I deem them very valuable. these are extra duties, I mean that they think his salary should be raised above I think that the services rendered and

are not a part of this officer's constitu- the amount now named in the article. the money expended in connection . tional duties. The law does provide If, on the contrary, the State pays the with these institutes, have been highly

that the Superintendent may hold these traveling expenses of this officer, I advantageous to the educational inter- institutes; that they may be held un- have no objection to permitting the ests of the State.....: H . . der his direction; but his duties in salary to remain at the amount named If we allow that officer a salary of two connection with these institutes have in the article. .

thousand dollars, it is only about forty always been considered as additionall. Mr., FARMER.' I desire to ask å dollars to each county, supposing there duties, for which he was entitled to ex- question for information on this sub-l are fifty counties in the State, Now. tra compensation; and the appropria-lject. Do not the duties of Superin-| sir. if the Superintendent is alive tion referred to has been made with tendent of Public Instruction, as pre-man, an earnest, active, thorough, this view.

scribed by law, necessarily compel him go-ahead man, having a suitable Mr. GIDDINGS. I understand the to travel through the State ?

appreciation of his business, and pergentleman from Macomb (Mr. MUSSEY,) Mr. CONGER. I suppose that they forming his duties effic to say that the Superintendent receives do; at any rate, as I said before, he county would begrudge him the small this money as extra compensation. ought to be required to visit every pittance of forty dollars a year for the

understand is not the fact. county in the State at least once in two important services which he renders? He uses the money to employ lec- years.

Many gentlemen in different parts of turers, etc., simply providing that his Mr. BILLS. I am disposed to favor the State would be willing to pay that traveling expenses shall first be taken this amendment to increase the salary amount out of their own pockets, out. So that there is no extra com- of the Superintendent of Public In- rather than lose the services of this pensation, strictly speaking; but there struction. We need not here discuss Officer. . is an extra amount of work imposed, the question as to whether this officer Now, as it appears to be the deterfor which he receives the amount of has or has not received from the State mination of the Convention to fix salthe expenses actually incurred, while anything in addition to the salary aries in the Constitution, without any the balance of the appropriation goes which has been fixed in the Constitution allowance for fees or perquisites outto other purposes....

up to the present time. One thing is side of the salary, it seems to me very Mr. MUSSEY. He uses this money, certain, that when the new Constitution desirable, indeed necessary, if the Suthen, to carry on teachers' institutes,' shall become effective, it will control perintendent of Public Instruction is either in his own person or by the the amount of his salary; and it will to be required to travel about the assistance of others.

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than two thousand dollars. One Legislature altered that provision, eling expenses. This will undoubtedly thousand dollars will not pay his trav- substituting “five days” for “ten be the effect of the amendment adopelling expenses, and other expenses days," and “one hundred dollars” for ted a short time since on the motion of incident to the discharge of his duties; “ two hundred dollars."

the gentleman from Lenawee, (Mr. but supposing that one thousand dol-1 Mr. President, I desire to say that I BILLS.) We must act on the underlars would cover those expenses, a shall vote for this proposed increase of standing that the whole compensation salary of two thousand dollars would salary for reasons different from any of of this officer is to be included in his leave him the wholly inadequate sum those I which have heard stated. I salary... of one thousand dollars. If we desire concur in the remarks of the gentleman Mr. MUSSEY. I would like to ask to secure the best services of this offi- from Lenawee, (Dir. BILLS.) I believe the gentleman, whether he means to cer, we should pay him such a salary that this State can pay the Superin- give that as his opinion as a lawyer? that he may feel at liberty to be almost tendent of Public Instruction as much Mr. GIDDINGS. Ido; and I would continuously upon the wing-traveling as our towns and our second class cities like to ask the gentleman his opinion through the different towns and coun- pay the principals of union schools. as to whether, under the law read by ties, giving to educational matters that East Saginaw pays the principal of its the gentleman from Berrien, (Mr. Coolattention which they require. In order union school $2500; Saginaw City pays IDGE,) there is any provision which that he may do this, let us give him the principal of its union school $2000. allows the State Superintendent to such a salary as we should desire to Now, cannot the State afford to pay to take one penny out of the treasury for receive if we were in such a position, the Superintendent as much as one of his personal expenses. It provides with such duties to perform. $2,500 these little towns pays a teacher? Can simply that the money is to be exis a small salary for this officer, if he the State expect to get an officer of the pended by him.. is obliged to pay his own traveling first talent, who will be willing to dis-1 Mr. MUSSEY. I wish the Convenexpenses.

... charge the duties of Superintendent, tion to act intelligently in regard to Mr. THOMPSON. I wish to in- without any extra allowance for the this matter, whether we decide that the quire of the gentleman from Lenawee necessary expenses, connected with the Superintendent shall have $2,000 or Mr. BiLLs,) whether or not we are to discharge of his duties, unless we are $2,500 as his salary. In regard to this understand that the Legislature appro- willing to pay at least as much as is allowance for expenses, I apprehend priates money year by year to pay the received by the principal of a union that it has nothing to do with the saltraveling expenses of the Superin- school? We are all in favor of advan- ary whatever. Wherever the business tendent of Public Instruction ?

cing the interests of education of ex- of the State requires the SuperintendMr. COOLIDGE. If the gentleman tending educational facilities; and it ent to go in the discharge of his duties, from Lenawee (Mr. BILLS.) will allow seems to me that we should be willing |I think the State is bound to pay his me, I will read the provision which I to give a liberal salary to the officer traveling expenses; and such expenses find in our Compiled Laws upon this who stands at the head of our educa-|I believe have been allowed in his case, subject. I do not know that it has: tional system. . .

as in the case of all other State officers. been materially changed since itsen- Mr. HOLT. Mr. President, I wish This is my impression; and I entertain actment. The provision on page 797 to say a few words in favor of this it with a good deal of confidence. of the Compiled Laws, is as follows: amendment. There is one class of du- Mr. GIDDINGS. I desire to ask ::"SECTION 1. The people of the State of

ties performed by the Superintendent one question. The gentleman from Michigan enact That whenever reasonable of public instruction to which no refer- St. Clair, (Mr. CONGER,) alluded to a assurance shall be given to the Superintend-lence has yet been made; I mean the case in which the Supreme Court had ent of Public Instruction that a number not I duty of holding teachers' conventions made a decision upon the subject of less than fifty, or in counties containing a population of less than twelve thousand oina / or local educational meetings. These allowing traveling expenses to judges. habitants, whenever twenty-five teachers of meetings or conventions are largely on I understand that the same rule apcommon schools shall desire to assemble for the increase, particularly since the re- plies to all classes of our public officers. the purpose of forming a teacher's institute, and to remain in session for a period of not

cent law providing for county superin-The court laid down the principle that less than ten working days, said Superintend- tendents; and in all probability the traveling expenses could not constituert is authorized to appoint a time and place

number of those meetings will continue tionally be allowed. Now, I do not know for holding such institute, to make suitable arrangements therefor, and to give due notice

saule to increase. No appropriation of any how there can be any provision for the thereof.

I kind is made for these meetings; no payment of traveling expenses, when “SECTION 2. For the purpose of defraying portion of the expenses connected with this Constitution makes no such prothe expenses of rooms, fires, lights, attendance or other necessary charges, and for pro

them is paid by the State, either in the vision, and when the courts have excuring teachers and lecturers for said insti- way of traveling expenses, or in any pressly declared that any such allowtutė, the Auditor General sball, upon the cer- other way. I am informed that very ance is unconstitutional. tificate of the Superintendent of Public In: little is drawn from the State treasury

Mr. MUSSEY. The very nature of struction that he has made arrangement for holding such institute, draw his warrant by the superintendent for traveling ex

by the Superintendent for traveling ex- the duties of the judges is to travel apon the State Treasurer for such sum as penses. I hope that this amendment from county to county. On the consaid Superintendent shall deem necessary for

increasing the salary of this officer to trary, the State officers are local officonducting such institute, wbich sum shall not exceed two hundred dollars for any one twenty-uve dunareu aonai's Wall Decors. 110 approprTQUOL : 18

ny one twenty-five hundred dollars will be cers. No appropriation is needed to institute, and shall be paid out of the general adopted. I should myself be in favor pay their traveling expenses. The fund.

of fixing the salary at three thousand matter is submitted to the board of “SECTION 3. Said Superintendent, in case of inability personally to conduct any insti

dollars, if I thought the proposition auditors, who audit the claim, and altute, or to make the necessary arrangements could be carried. ! .

low what is deemed just. By looking for holding the same, is authorized to appoint Mr. LUCE. Oh, I guess it could over the reports of the board of audsome suitable person or persons, for that purpose: Provided, That not more than be carried..

itors from year to year, the gentleman eighteen hundred dollars shall be drawn from Mr. GIDDINGS. I hope that the will find in every one of them an allowthe treasury in any one year to meet the pro- Convention is now satisfied that under ance for traveling expenses of this of visons of this act.”

this article as it has been amended, no ficer incurred in the discharge of his Mr. DANIELLS. I would like to one of these officers can ever draw duties.

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