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on salaries as we can get them. I It will amount to at least a thousand ard of prices for everything now was hope the amendment of the gentleman dollars a year. The traveling expenses higher than it had been, and that the from Kent, (Mr. FERRIS,) will not pre- of a judge will be another thousand salaries of the judges should be invail.

I dollars. And then there is all the time creased for that reason. It was said Mr. FERRIS. The importance of he spends in court, and out of court, that the prices of everything now my amendment is conceded by all. I too, in preparing his decisions for the were way beyond the prices of four or ask that the question upon it may be benefit of the people of the State, of five years ago; yet the reverse is the taken by yeas and nays. ... all classes, farmers, mechanics, profes- fact.

Mr. MILLER. I hope the amend- sional men, and all. I hold that he Mr. DANIELLS. I misunderstood ment will prevail. I hardly think it is should be fully paid for all that. I the gentleman from Branch, (Mr. proper for us to inquire into the price hold that as a farmer when I pay good LUCE.) I understood from his arguof pork, potatoes or broadcloth, in set- prices for labor, I get better profits ment that in Branch county they hired tling this question of salaries. You go than I do to jew the laboring man their judges to raise wool and pork, to an individual, who by his profession down.

:: Mr. COOLIDGE. I am unwilling is. earning five, six, seven or eight thou- I hold that in the end, after a judge that this question should be argued in sand dollars a year, and ask him to has worn out his life in mental study, this way; it is not fair. We have been take a seat upon the bench of your cir- with his physical constitution wasted told for a long number of hours that cuit court. You do not propose to away, when he is going down to the we should pay a circuit judge in prohim that he shall be satisfied with what grave, he should have something to portion to his services. We have been simply constitutes a living. You want leave for the support of his family. I told how much his services are worth. his services; you want his talents. am willing, as a small taxpayer in this And then we have been told in words When he consents that you shall have State, to give the circuit judge three that moved our pity and commiserahis services and his talents, you would thousand dollars a year. i t ion that some of these judges have feel ashamed of yourselves if you were Mr. DANIELLS. I am a farmer, been made poor. We were told by the to ask him simply to estimate how and not a lawyer. I suppose that in gentleman from St. Clair, (Mr. CONGER,) much he can live upon. He goes as a that respect I am something similar to that one of them was obliged to resign judge upon your bench, with all the the gentleman from Branch, (Mr. his place, in order to save the little prestige connected with his name and LUCE.) But he and I come to very pittance of property he had on hand. standing in his profession, and you ask different conclusions in regard to this That was to influence our votes, I suphim to go there for a salary that shall matter; that is, if I understand the pose. indicate as clearly as anything can, subject aright. '

And when a member gives the what you regard his services are worth. Do we hire a judge to raise pork, statistics and prices of provisions,

I should not have said a word on and wheat, and peas, and wool? If we showing that a man may live now this subject, did it not seem to me do, then the prices of those articles upon a great deal less amount than he that we are not doing as we should, should govern the price we should pay could a year or two ago, and that the when wo show so much regard for the a judge. But if we are to hire a judge probability is that prices will decrease, alimentary part of this question; we to insure us law, and justice, and and a man will be able to live hereafter should go higher. While these judges equity, then the prices we can get the upon a less amount than he can now, have so much service to perform, best of those articles for is what we gentlemen get up here and say, while so much talent is required of should look to. I do not suppose the “What has pork, and beef, and beans, them, if they earn so much by their high or low price of wool has anything and wool to do with this question ?": profession, we should certainly treat to do with the abilities of a judge; I do Yet they have predicated their strongthem with consideration in the salaries not suppose we hire a judge for any est argument upon just such things; which we offer them.

such purpose. I did not hear the gen- that is the only consideration that has Mr. SHEARER. I go for this tleman from Branch (Mr. LUCE,) say borne heavily upon their minds, that amendment from the fact that in my anything about oats; yet the price of these judges cannot live upon their estimation three thousand dollars a oats may have some effect on his sal- salaries, that they become poor, that year is none too much. I am a farm- ary, if he travels much. We want to it requires a self-sacrificing spirit to er; I believe there are thousands of get the best ability we can to insure hold the position of judge. And yet farmers in this State who, if they were equity and justice, and correct adjudi- when it is demonstrated that, owing to capable, would not leave their farms cation of the laws, for the benefit of the falling off of prices, they can live and take this place for three thousand the people. For that purpose I think upon less than they could two or three dollars a year. Let the judge com- we should pay pretty good salaries. years ago, gentlemen cry out, “What mence from his youth to study legal I have been in the habit of hiring have oats and corn to do with this lore; let him devote his best time and labor all my lifetime, ever since I have question ?” I do not know where genenergies and mind, to the detriment of been in business. It has always been tlemen are running on this subject. : his physical constitution; let him es- said by my neighbors that I have paid Now, I am not acquainted with the tablish himself as a lawyer, and let the highest prices. But that has been amount of time which, either of the him acquire that ability which is neces- my habit; pay liberal salaries, and gentlemen holding seats upon this sars for the position of a judge, and demand good and prompt service. I floor, and who occupy positions as then serve his time on the bench, and was always opposed in my business to circuit judges, devoté to their duties. it looks wrong in the end to deprive hiring boys, and if I was going to hire Therefore the remarks which I made him of this mere pittance for perform- a man to act as judge, I should not yesterday can have no reference to ing faithfully his duties as a judge. want to hire a second-class man. I them; nor will what I now say have

I hold that so far as the price of believe the people of the State are any reference in the world to them. I provisions are concerned, it is merely willing and anxious to pay such a sum stated yesterday what I supposed then nominal. Although when we come to as will secure the best talent attainable. I knew, and what I aver now I do estimate that, I will ask what is the Mr. LUCE. The only reason I know; that the circuit judges in many rent of a house and all that is necessary looked at the price of anything was of the circuits in this State, do not have to make it comfortable for a family? because it was claimed that the stand- to devote to their official duties the

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whole of their time, nor to exceed one- visions of the article on the judicial bar, county officers, and every person half of their time. And, therefore, department the duties of circuit judges that I know of, whose attention has when gentlemen tell us that the judges are to be increased hereafter, by the been called to this subject,-and it has upon the circuit have to devote their diminution of the number of circuits? been a subject considerably agitated entire time

Mr. COOLIDGE. Iunderstand that. during the last few years,-are in favor : Mr. NORRIS. · How will it be un- Mr. CONGER. Then I ask the gen- of increasing the salaries of circuit der the new arrangement ?

tleman if in his circuit there happens judges. They expect that the deleMr. COOLIDGE. I cannot say. to be less duties to be performed now, gates in this Convention from that

Mr. NORRIS. Therefore the argu- will not there be a necessary increase county will vote for increase of salaries. ment of the gentleman is not applica- of duties under the new arrangement? I should be very sorry to go back

Mr. COOLIDGE. I understand that, home, and be obliged to give as an exMr. COOLIDGE. I am telling gen- also. :

cuse for refusing to increase the salatlemen what has been, not what is go- Mr. CONGER. The gentleman ries of circuit judge, that pork had ing to be. A dozen gentlemen have speaks of the present duties as if they fallen, or that any article of commerce said that my statements about circuits were to be the rule hereafter. I ask was cheaper. have not been sustained by what they the gentleman, with his close logic, I believe it is the duty as well as the know about other circuits.

whether that is a fair deduction, when interest of the people of this State to I think that for the last two or three we have already provided for additional pay their public officers a fair and libyears, the salary of fifteen hundred duties?

eral compensation. - I am not in favor dollars à year has been too little. Il Mr. COOLIDGE. There are two of paying the circuit judge, or any other think the amount proposed by the other things, perhaps three, to be con- officer, a high salary, even that he committee on salaries, twenty-five hun- sidered. It has now become, under an should have something to live on in dred dollars a year, is enough as a act of the Legislature, the habit of his old age. I want to pay him a fair general rule. There are some circuits circuit judges to send to referees a compensation, that he may devote the undoubtedly, where I am bound to great deal of business, which was not the whole of his time to the business suppose a greater sum should be paid; formerly done; that relieves the cir- of his office, and not have his attention hence, I would be in favor of some cuit judges very much., Another distracted by being obliged to resort amendment.

thing, it is proposed in this Constitu- to other means to support himself and But there is another thing; I am not tion that a circuit judge may appoint his family; that he may be indepenprepared to say that the people of this a person to do a great deal that he dent, and feel that the duties of his ofState will enter into such views as have has to do himself now. I suppose no fice require his whole time, and that in been advocated upon this floor. If there gentleman who advocated that propo- giving his attention to the duties of is anything upon which the people sition did it with any other view than his office he is receiving a salary suffiof this State will look with some cau- that there were important duties which cient for his support, and the support tion, it will be upon salaries; and when would be performed by the person so of his family. they have been doubled, and more than appointed by the circuit courts. I believe the circuit judges should double, I think we have gone far Another thing, I apprehend that there be paid as much as, if not more than, enough. And I will not vote to pay will be an intermediate court between the judges of the Supreme Court. It the circuit judges more than twenty- the justice of the peace and the circuit is a well known fact that our circuit five hundred dollars a year, when if I court. As I understand the views of judges, going from county to county, did so I should believe the people at most men upon this floor, they expect and holding in many counties two, large would not favor it. that will be done; I do.

three and four terms a year, in none . I have heard nothing here to change Mr. HOWARD. I am very much in less than two, must devote their whole my views on this subject. While I am favor of the proposition to increase the time and attention to the discharge of willing to pay a proper salary to these salary of the circuit judges to three their duties. On the other hand, the officers, I must determine that matter thousand dollars a year. I believe that judges of the Supreme Court, many of with reference to what I believe to be a man who is competent to discharge them, find time to devote to other purthe popular opinion upon the subject. the duties of circuit judge, and does suits; several of them are professors in While I can support what has been re- discharge those duties, earns that the State University. For that service ported by the committee on salaries, I amount of money. The fact that the I believe they receive a compensation do not wish to go beyond that. circuit judge devotes, or should de- equal to the salary of a circuit judge

When it is proposed here by half a vote, the greater part of his time to at the present time. I may be misdozen gentlemen that we should pay the discharge of those duties, furnishes taken in that; if I am, I would thank the circuit judges three thousand dol- to my mind a sufficient argument for some gentleman to correct me. lars a year, and that their services this increase of salary. .

Mr. NORRIS. They receive a thouwere worth three thousand five hun- It is true that a circuit judge is not sand dollars a year for that service. dred dollars, I supposed at the time employed all the time in holding terms Mr. HOWARD. There is no circuit there was a little shrewdness about the of court. But it is well known to judge in this State who can find time proposition. If a man wants to get a members of the profession that very to devote to the discharge of any other hundred and fifty dollars for a horse, much of the service he is called upon to duty. In the larger circuits they he is pretty sure to ask two hundred or perform, is performed in vacation. He hardly have time to prepare themtwo hundred and fifty dollars, so as to has to keep himself posted; he has to selves for the proper discharge of be able to fall a little. And I supposed read, to look up cases. It is necessary, their official duties. It requires assidthat when gentlemen talked about three for the faithful and intelligent dis- uous labor from one year's end to the thousand dollars, and thirty-five hun- charge of his duties, that he should other to enable them to accomplish dred dollars, they were afraid the Con- employ the greater part of his time in that. I believe that the duties pervention might not be willing to come preparing himself, in rendering him- formed by a circuit judge, when looked up to twenty-five hundred dollars... self competent for the faithful dis- at in the light of experience, will satMr. CONGER. Does not the gen-charge of those duties.

isfy any individual, whether he be tleman understand that by the pro- My constituents, members of the lawyer or farmer, that those duties are

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more onerous than those devolved this question this forenoon, before we certain judicial statistics from the variupon the judges of the Supreme Court, take a recess. I am confident that the ous counties of the State. Nearly all and they are very important.

mind of every man is made up, one the counties have responded; and · A lawyer, who is in successful prac-way or the other, and that no matter from the statistics thus received there tice in this State, will make on the how many speeches are madą upon has been prepared a table which is quite average five thousand dollars a year. this subject, they will not change a valuable to us for the facts which it No one would think of taking a lawyer single vote. I hope we will have a contains. No response, however, has who was not able to earn that amount vote before the recess.

been received from four counties of the of money in his practice, and making a Mr. HENDERSON. I call for the Lower Peninsula which are within but circuit judge of him. Still gentlemen previous question upon the pending a day's travel; and as the statistics of the Convention here are asking such amendment.

from those counties are desirable to lawyers to abandon their practice, to The previous question was seconded, complete the table which has been prego upon the bench and assume these and the main question ordered." pared, I desire to offer the following additional and increased responsibili- The PRESIDENT. The question is resolution: ties for less than half, or about half, upon the amendment of the gentleman Resolved. That the Secretary, be instructe that a good lawyer can earn by his pro- from Kent, (Mr. FERRIS,) to increase ed to notify the clerk of the counties of Kal

the salaries of circuit judges from

ho'molning of oireit'indres from amazoo, Monroe, Eaton and Oakland, that fession.

the Convention is waiting for the judicial It requires some time for a person twenty-five hundred dollars a year, as statistics requested of those counties, with by the practice of his profession to reported by the committee on salaries, others, some weeks since; and that the requalify himself for the discharge of the to three thousand dollars a year. Up turns received be publisbed in the journal. duties of a judge. Every judge must on this question the yeas and nays The PRESIDENT. If there is no be a lawyer; every judge should be a have been asked.

objection, the resolution will be entergood lawyer. We must take these The yeas and nays were ordered." tained. things as they are. We should fix a The question was taken, and the No objection was made.-. salary.here which would secure for the amendment was agreed to; yeas 41, 'Mr: TURNER. I would like to inpeople good talent; which would se- nays 32, as follows:

... quire whether the design of this resocure for each circuit in the State a YEAS-Messrs. Barber, Bills, Blackman, lution is that the returns already regood judge, who can give bis whole Chapin, Chapman, Conger, Crocker, Dan

ceived be published now. iells, Desnoyers, Divine, Ferris, Giddings, Holt, time and attention to the duties of his Howard, Huston, Lawrence, Leach, Longyear,

Mr. NORRIS. Yes, sir. . office.

Lovell, McClelland, McConnell, McKernan, Mr. TURNER. I hope then that I would be in favor of the proposi

Miles, Miller, Norris, Purcell, Rafter, Rich the returns from Genesee county will

mond, Shearer, T." G. Smith, Stoughton, tion to allow the board of supervisors Sutherland, Turner, Utley, Van Valkenburgh,

be excepted. I know that in those reto pay the judge an additional com- P. D. Warner, White, Winsor, Withey, Wil- turns there is a very. material error. pensation, if I thought the memeliams and Woodhouse-41.

If the resolution be modified so as to

Nays--Messrs. Aldrich, Alexander, Andrus, bers 01 this.. Convention would Brown, Case, Coolidgë, Duncan, Duncombe,

provide that the returns from that not increase his salary to three Elliott, Farmer, Germain, Hazen, Henderson, county shall not be published until thousand dollars a year. I know that Holmés, Kenney, Lamb, Luce, Morton, Mur-corrected, I shall have no objection to in my own county our judge has very

| ray, Mussey, Musgrave, Ninde, Sawyer, Shel. my om councy ou judge was very | don, Stockwell, Thompson, Walker, M. C.

the proposition. . frequently appointed special terms of Watkins, Willard, Winans, Yeomans and the Mr. GIDDINGS. I desire to say court, at the solicitation of members of President--32.

that I believe that these returns, when the bar, and the prosecuting attorney, | Mr. DANIELLS. I move that the obtained, will be of but very little use;

Mr. DANIELLS. I move that the lobts in order to save the county the expense Convention now take a recess.

because, if sent here at any time soon, of keeping, prisoners in the jail, and The motion was agreed to; and ac- they must be very hastily prepared. I the inconvenience attendant upon keep-cordingly, (at half-past twelve o'clock learned from the clerk of Kalamazoo ing prisoners from one regular term to p. m.,), the Convention took & recess county that to prepare these statistics the other. I know he has frequently, until half-past two o'clock p. m. . . properly will require a very long time come there and held special terms of

-longer than he is likely to be able to court; the case frequently arises when

give before the closing of this Convenit is convenient to him to have a special

tion. Hecould not go over the records term. In a large circuit like ours, with .. AFTERNOON SESSION.

and ascertain the facts called for by a judge holding four terms of court The Convention re-assembled at half- the resolution in less than two or three a year in some of the counties, past two o'clock p. mi, and was called weeks. I think, too, that the returns it is not to be supposed that to order by the PRESIDENT. ...

received from the other counties are a judge can attend to his ordina- The roll was called, and a quorum not strictly accurate. Hence, I believe ry private affairs, and attend to all of members answered to their names. that these statistics will probably be of those duties for a salary of twenty-five

LEAVE OF ABSENCE.

very little usé. I do not, however, dehundred dollars a year, and feel that N

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sire to oppose the resolution; I am he is properly compensated.. I do not

willing to vote for it.cici absence from believe there is an intelligent man in

five o'clock this afternoon until next Thursday morning

1. Mr. NORRIS. My impression is the State of Michigan, when he under

8 that the gentleman from Kalamazoo, stands the duties devolving upon a

My business at home is such as to rea quire my attendance there for one day

(Mr. GINDINGS,) is somewhat mistaken circuit judge, who will ask us, as the at least. I have been absent but one

as to the correctness and value of the representatives of the people, or who

statistics thus far received. will himself do so, to vote in favor of day during the session.

I know

that there has been no difficulty in the fixing the salaries of circuit judges at | Leave was granted.

county of Wayne in sending up returns less than three thousand dollars a JUDICIAL STATISTICS OF COUNTIES. which, although not in the precise form year. I think it ought to be at least Mr. NORRIS. I desire unanimous specified in the terms of the resolution, that amount.

consent to offer at this time a resolu- are just what we want. These statis· Mr. LEACH. I rise to express the tion. It will be recollected that some-tics have been called for with the exhope that we will come to a vote on time since the Convention called for pectation that they will be useful to

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us in dividing the State into judicial shall have no objection to so modifying is only 19. It must mean 119, or a :: districts, if the committee on the the resolution.

still larger number. That is one of schedule should deem it proper to Mr. TURNER. I desire that the the errors I have noticed. recommend such a division in the Con- returns from Genesee county should Mr. LOVELL. That is undoubtedstitution. The simple fact as to the not be published until we can get fur- ly an error. number of days of the sessions of court ther returns from the clerk of that Mr. NORRIS. I modify my resolu- . in each county during the year 1866 county.

...tion by inserting after the word “rewhich can be ascertained by five min- Mr. LOVELL. I would ask in what ceived," the words “with the exceputes' inspection of the records will be respect the return from Genesee coun- tion of the returns from Genesee of great value to us. If it is desired ty is defective.'·

county." that Genesee county shall be excepted Mr. TURNER. In one place, where The resolution, as modified, was from the resolution in order that cor- it speaks of the number of cases dis- adopted. rections may be made in the returns. posed of within a period of, I think, The following is the statement which already received from that county, I eighteen months, the number returned the resolution directs to be published: Causes in Circuit Courts of Organized Counties of Michigan pending January 1st, 1866, and July 1st, 1867; Number

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In the Circuit Court for the County of Wayne. Mr. HOLT. I move to amend by With this view, I was ready at any

adding after the words just adopted time to vote for giving an ample salary
these words: “but not during the term to each of these officers. But when I . *
of office for which such officers were found that the Convention had deter-

respectively elected;" The clause will mined not to require these officers to : 'WIOL.Qora

then read: “It shall be competent for reside here, or to give their constant Ilguno? Jo skep 'ON

the Legislature to increase or diminish attendance to their official business, I wwal ay sa

the salaries herein provided, but not voted for smaller compensation, for 'S[e!.. [Basmuo

during the term of office for which the simple reason thatIknow, partially “pəuļetqo o empre

such officers were respectively elected." from my own observation, and also suauapni jo 'ON

Mr. STOUGHTON. Mr. President, from the information of those in whom

we have provided in the Constitution I place implicit confidence that these paorioN SƏSBO JEHOL

what the salaries of these officers shall officers do not now give their entire

be. Now, it seems to me simply ab- attention, nor any considerable.part of T[8 Ajəbuego

surd for us to say that the Legislature their attention, to the basiness of their

may increase or diminish those salaries departments here. •əbueuedu

without any limitation. If this pro-|. When I voted for the compensation vision be inserted in the Constitution, of the judges, I did it with a belief the power of the Legislature may at that the compensation should be such

any time supersede the provisions of as to induce men of the first rank in the "Panog oqlag

this article with reference to salaries. profession to take these judicial posi

In fact, it would be eqvivalent to hav- tions; and if inferior men should get Sing

ing no constitutional provision at all upon the bench, I would give the Legwith regard to salaries. I propose, as islature power to reduce their compenan amendment to the amendment, to sation, so as to oust them from office. add to the words already adopted, in- That is one reason. I will state an

stead of those proposed by the gen- other. Suppose that we should expeN. B. --This statement does not include either decrees,

tleman from Muskegon, (Mr. HOLT,) rience such a crisis as occurred prior to or amount of decrees in Chancery.

the following: “by a vote of two- 1850-and there appears to be strong SALARIES.

thirds of the members elected to each indications that such a thing may be The PRESIDENT. The Convention, House."

I would desire that the Legislature when it took its recess, had under con

Mr. HOLT. I modify my amend- should, in such a contingency, have sideration the article entitled “Sala

ment so as to include the amendment the power to grade these salaries in ries." Amendments to the body of the

of the gentleman from St. Joseph, (Mr. proportion to the salaries of all other article are still in order.

STOUGHTON.) The clause will read if officers in the State-not public officers,

my amendment be adopted, "It shall but private officers---Officers of bank.. LEGISLATIVE REGULATION OF SALARIES. bo competent for the Legislature to in- ing institutions, manufacturing estaß.

Mr. MOCLELLAND. I desire to crease or diminish the salaries herein lishments, insurance companies, and offer an amendment which I offered in provided by a two-thirds vote of the other officers. My object would be to committee of the whole. It will speak members elect to each House, but not place these officers, public and private, for itself. It is to amend section. one daring the term for which such offi- as nearly as possible on an equality. by striking out the following words at cers were respectively elected.” Hence, I think it was improper for the the close of the section: - It shall not Mr. MOCLELLAND. Mr. President, gentleman from St. Joseph to denomibe competent for the Legislature to the gentleman from St. Joseph, (Mr. nate this an "absurdproposition. increase the salaries herein provided,” STOUGHTON,) may consider a proposi- Mr. MUSSEY. I think that perand to insert in lieu thereof the words, tion of the kind which I have offered, haps the gentleman from Wayne (Mr. {"It shall be competent for the Legisla-"absurd." That, however, seems to MOCLELLAND) is a little too sensitive in ture to increase or diminish the sala- me rather a strong word to use. If regard to the remark of the gentleman ries herein provided."

the gentleman had examined the con- from St. Joseph, (Mr. STOUGHTON.) It Mr. ALEXANDER. On this amend-stitutions of other States, as I have seems to me a little inconsistent, not ment, I call for the yeas and nays. done, I think he would not have ap- to say absurd, to provide for fixing

The yeas and nays were ordered. plied such a term to this provision. salaries, and then afterward delegate

The question was taken; and the Now, sir, I would ask the gentleman to the Legislature the entire power of amendment of Mr. McCLELLAND was from St. Joseph what is the difference making those salaries more or less, as agreed to; there being yeas 39, nays between leaving this subject of salaries it may choose. I presume that this is 38, as follows:

entirely to the Legislature, as is done all the gentleman from St. Joseph YEAS-Messrs. Aldrich,: Bradley, Brown, in most of the States, or putting meant to say. This is the view I took Case, Coolidge, Corbin, Crocker, Desnoyers, it in the form in which I have framed of the matter when the motion of Duncan, Hazen, Henderson, Holt, Huston, this provision.

on this provision ?

I have wted with thal the
I have voted with the the

gentleman
gentleman from

from Wayne was
Lawrence, Longyear, Lovell, Lace, McClel-
land, McConnell, Miller, Morton, Musgrave. I gentleman for the different salaries made. But at all events, I am
Norris, Purcell, Rafter, Sawyer, Shearer, enumerated here, with the excep- opposed to leaving the question in
T. G. Smith, Stockwell, Tyler, Van Valken- tion of two or three. I voted against this position. I would prelor that
burgh, Walker, P. D. Warner, White, Wil.
lard, Williains, Winsor, and Wright-39..

those salaries for the simple reason that we should either provide that these
NAYS-Messrs. Alexander, Andrus, Barber, the Convention had determined not to civil officers shall receive such salaries
Bills, Blackman, Chapin, Chapman, Conger, require the State officers to reside here. as the Legislaturo may prescribe, or
Daniells, Divine, Duncombe, Estee, Elliott,
Farmer, Ferris, Germain, Giádings, 'Howard | I have been under the impression that else that we should fix the salaries per-
Kenney, Leach, Miles, Murray; Mussey, Ninde, they should reside here, or at all events manently in the Constitution; and I

Theldon Stoughton, that they should give most of their at- apprehend that the State officers and
Thompson, Turner, Utley, M. C. Watkius,
Withey, Winans, Woodhouse, Yeomans, and
the President-38.

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