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Mr MORTON. The question, as I that there will be no more discussion ties, we provided that the board of understand it, is upon the motion of upon it.,

supervisors - might have jurisdiction the gentleman from Kalamazoo, (Mr. Mr. GIDDINGS. One word in reply over certain things, except as otherGIDDINAS,) to strike out all but the first to the gentleman from Monroe, (Mr. wise provided. And among these sentence of this section. I suppose it. MORTON,) who has been so much in things “otherwise provided," it was has been sufficiently discussed. But accord with me on this subject of legis- distinctly and clearly asserted should as I have uniformly agreed with that lating in the Constitution. I suppose be the compensation which they them- i gentleman as to the necessity of not the people of Michigan are as honest selves should receive. There has been restricting the Legislature upon almost as the people of other States generally, existing a state of things under which all the subjects that come before them, and as capable of managing their own the people felt aggrieved. The superI desire to state my reasons for disa- affairs as are the people of other States. visors in our localities have been in the greeing with him upon this subject. I believe that a legislative body, assem-, habit of fixing just as much compenThe Legislature is called to consider bled in the State of Michigan, would sation for themselves, as they saw fit to matters of public interest; and I say be as competent to take charge of such establish. that they should not be restricted as matters as these, and other matters The committee therefore thought much as they have been. But when pertaining to the State, as congressmen proper to append to that section some the question is one of a kind which are to take care of the the affairs of the thing which was not perhaps strictly . applies solely to the members of the United States. And a single clause necessary, such compensation as is Legislature themselves, then I say they which I am going to read, I think will provided by law." What is the prin- : should be restricted. It is not in rela- be a sufficient excuse for the proposition ciple involved ? It is that the body ittion to matters of public interest, that which I have offered here. Although it self, or the individual, whether corpothis section is incorporated in this con- may not be adopted by this committee, rate or personal, were not at liberty to stitution. It is intended to apply to I will at all events have done my duty, fix their own compensation, or to regumembers of the Legislature as such I will read a clause which has been late their own mileage, or in any way members, and to compel them not to deemed sufffcient under the govern- to control their perquisites of office. do that which is wrong. Therefore, I ment of the United States for the pur- I do not think there is any reason believe in restricting members of the pose of determining this whole ques- whatever in saying that we are legis-Legislature upon matters which relate tion of compensation as it is called, for lating on these matters. It is not proto their own personal interests. The members of Congress...

posed to legislate upon those matters propriety of such & restriction is alto-l: 16 The Sepators and Representatives shall Of general interest in which the people gether different from what it is when receive a compensation for their services to of the State at large have a concern, or they come to act upon matters of pub- be ascertaines

nihil bé ascertained by law, and paid out of the Labout which they expect that the Leg·lic interest, entirely disconnected with | treasury of the United States.”

islature will make provision, or over their own private interests. Therefore,

The gentleman across the way (Mr which they desire the members of the - I think that this section, or something | GONGER) ODJ

CONGER) objects very much to leaving Legislature to have jurisdiction or consimilar to it, is necessary. :.

this matter to the Legislature. Now, trol. I hope that the motion to strike

my own impression is that the Legis- out will not prevail; unless the sub.. We all know that members of the lature is as com

Ilature is as competent and as safe a stitute of the gentleman from Wayne. Legislature would run to excess if left body with which to leave une questions (Mr. MCCLELLAND,) shall b to their own judgment in regard to the covered by the section under consider in regard to mileage, and then I should value of their services. I believe it is ation, as is this Constitutional Conven prefer that to this section. necessary to have the mileage fixeda tion; at least the government of the Mr. FERRIS.. I greatly prefer this. also the amount which members can

nl United States so held with regard to section as it is reported from the comdraw from the State for stationery,

I the Congress of the United States. mittee on the legislative department, and such other matters. I would That was the opinion of the “fathers, and as amended by the committee of wish to restrict them in all these about which the gentleman from St.l the things, because they cannot be styled Clair (Mr: CONGER) talks so much. which have been offered here. I was matters of public interest matters in | Mr. HENDERSON. It seems to me in hopes that my friend from Monroe, which the people are as deeply inter- that the gentleman from Kalamazoo,1(Mr. MORTON,) when he had the floor, ested as in the ordinary subjects of (Mr. GIDDINGS,) in his last remarks would have stated a reason which I am legislation. I have no objection to the especially, as well as in his former re- about to state here, why it is prefersection as it stands. I should like the marks, either designedly or otherwise, able that this Convention shall fix all amendment of the gentleman from ignores the main. question entirely. these matters, and not leave them to

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or three amendments attached, much be fixed by law he stops there, and reason very nearly, when he stated he
better than I do this section. But I does not go on to say that the Legisla- wanted to give an excuse for differing
do not object to either. I only desire ture is to make the law which shall fix with the gentleman from Kalamazoo,
to say that members must see that that compensation. I have often du- (Mr. GIDDINGS,) in regard to legislat-
there is a necessity for legislating in ring the session here, even at the ex- ing in the Constitution.
the Constitution upon these matters, pense of disagreeing with my col) By the way, in regard to that mat-
more than in reference to other sub-leagues, opposed legislation in the ter, I hope gentlemen here have rung
jects which have been considered by Convention. But I think the remarks the changes on the subject of legisla-
this body. I believe the minds of of the gentleman from Kalamazoo, tion here to their heart's content.
members are made up upon this sub-havo more of ring than of significance They cannot suppose that any gentle-
ject. I believe they intend to allow in them, when he sets up the hue and man on this floor will be either intimi-
members of the Legislature so much cry of “too much législation here. dated or moved by any of that kind of
for their regular compensation, and to. In the article on counties is a section talk. I have noticed once in a while
restrict them in all these other matters. which met the unanimous vote of the that when any man is opposed to an
As I know that members are prepared Convention. Why was it adopted ? In amendment or proposition, he cries.
to vote upon this question, I hope section eleven of the article on coun-lout “Oh! it is legislation.” But when

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he is in favor of an amendment equal- The motion to strike out was not purpose of perfecting this section, or ly full of legislation, he says nothing agreed to..

endeavoring to do so, unanimous conabout it. Now, let us quit this boys' The question recurred upon the sent will be given to members to offer play...

.. amendment of Mr. MCCLELLAND to the such amendments as they may desire. :: The reason why I prefer this section, substitute offered by Mr. WRIGHT. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair was and am opposed to leaving this matter Mr. BLACKMAN. I was under the not disposed to raise the question himto the Legislature, in addition to other impression that this would be a proper self; but it being raised by the gentlereasons which have been given, is, that time to offer an amendment to the men from Oakland, (Mr. P. D. WARNER,) . if you leave these "little ten-cent mat- original section.

the Chair had to rule upon it. The ters," as my eloquent friend from The CHAIRMAN. It is still in order Chair would, therefore, rule that the Kalamazoo calls them, to the Legisla- to move to amend the original section. amendment is not in order, because the ture for their determination, there will Mr. BLACKMAN. Imove to amend committee of the whole have voted to be an enormous waste of legislative the section by adding the following: retain the words which the gentleman time. No matters in the Legislature on the members shall not receive their per from St. Joseph moves to strke out. If occupy so much time, cause so much diem compensation during a temporary ad. there is no objection on the part of any cavilling, create so much little petty journment of a longer period that, five days." | memihi discussion, as these matters of com- I have a few words to say upon that tained by unanimous consent. pensation. I would refer this commit- amendment. I offer it in good faith. No objection being made, the amendtee to what took place in the Conven- I do not want to make much of a ment proposed by Mr. STOUGHTON was tion here in regard to our own post- speech upon it, for I do not think it is entertained. age. We all recollect the humorous a popular subject upon which to speak. The question was taken on the debate we had, in which the gentleman It may be said that this shows a dis- amendment, upon which a division was from St. Clair (Mr. CONGER) said that trust of the Legislature, and that we called.. his constituents did not send him here ought not to distrust them. Perhaps Mr. M. C. WATKINS. I do not to use his tongue in licking postage we as members of this Convention know that I fully understand the effect stamps. The time of the Convention ought not to distrust them on this par- of the amendment of the gentleman was taken up for two or three days on ticular question. But it seems to me from St. Joseph. I would inquire if it such little matters as that. And, un- from past experience that it is as is intended that each member of the less we fix these matters in reference to just and proper to have a limit upon Legislature shall be entitled to one the Legislature, there will be discus- this subject as upon some others. copy of the revised statutes? sions about them in every session. The question was taken upon the Mr. STOUGHTON. Yes, sir... Even if this were legislation, it would amendment of Mr. BLACKMAN, and it Mr. M. C. WATKINS. Compiled be a great saving of the time of the was not agreed to. :

laws? . people of the State to put it in this Mr. STOUGHTON. I move tol Mr. STOUGHTON. “ Statutes" Constitution.

amend the last sentence of this section would embrace the “laws,” of course; Mr. CONGER. Before we pass upon by striking out the word laws," and whatever statutes we may have at this this section I desire to say that, as this linserting the words “statutes and one time. If there should be a subsequent committee, by striking out the words, I copy of the" so that the sentence will revision, it would embrace them. - their compensation shall be four dol- read, « each member shall be entitled Mr. FERRIS.Do I understand lars per day for the first twenty days to one copy of the statutes, and one that the proposition is that each memand nothing thereafter," have removed copy of the journals and documents of ber shall have a copy of the compiled the only reason for having the para- the Legislature of which he was a laws as his own property? graph in this section, it might be proper member.” My object in offering this. Mr. STOUGHTON. Yes, sir; that in order to have some harmony in the amendment is this: the section as it it shall be furnished to him for his own arrangement of the sections, to have now stands provides that each member use during the session of the Legislathat clause omitted, perhaps to insert of the Legislature shall be entitled to ture, and that it shall be his property, it in some other place. The idea of one copy of the laws, journals, and the same as documents furnished to the committee was to bring together in documents of the Legislature of which him at the expense of the State at each section such provisions as would he was a member. Now, it seems to large. Many members who come here naturally come together. As the me very proper that each member of are not in possession of the statutes of amendment already made removes the the Legislature should be provided the State, and they will need them only reason, that of fixing the com- with a copy of the statutes of the State. during the session of the Legislature. pensation when in special session, for It is almost indispensably necessary Mr. FERRIS. Is not the law such having that clause in this section, I that he should have a copy of the now, that they can procure them for should desire, if the section is to re- statutes, to enable him to discharge use during the session? main as amended, that that clause properly the duties incumbent upon Mr. STOUGHTON. They can promight be stricken out and added to liimi

cure them at a very slight expense, section eight of this article, which re | Mr. P. D. WARNER. I would in- but that might not be satisfactory. lates to the meeting of the Legislature. quire if a motion to amend by striking | There will probably be hereafter a reThis section would then relate entirely out a portion of this section is in order, vision of the laws, and it may be more to the compensation, mileage and per- after the committee have refused to difficult to obtain them. quisites of members. I will, however, 1 strike out a portion of the section in- Mr. WITHLY. I was surprised that not make any motion at the present cluding that embraced in the amend- there were so many ayes in favor of time.

;? ment of the gentleman from St. Joseph, this amendment. It seems to me that The question recurred upon the (Mr. STOUGHTON?)

it is inexpedient to provide a copy of motion of Mr. GIDDINGS to strike out The CHAIRMAN. The Chair is of the laws of the State for each member all of section eleven except the first the opinion that the amendment of the of the Legislature. To do that now sentence, reading as follows:

gentleman from St. Joseph is not in would certainly require a re-print of "The compensation of members of the order.

the compiled laws. It is altogether Legislature, during the sessions thereof, shall Mr CONGER I hope that for the probable that there will be a further be tour dollars per day."

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compilation and publication of the "When convened in extra session they shall of the gentleman from Eaton (Mr. general laws of the State. But in a legislate on no other subjects than those ex- ||

BURTCH,) not being in order, he is not "pressly stated in the Governor's proclamation, very short period of time, the Legisla- as submitted to them by special m

e, we Legisla-1 as submitted to them by special message." Jentitled to speak upon it. ture would exhaust the number of cop- As suggested then, I think this sen- The question was upon the substitute ies which the State might have on tence would come more properly at of Mr. MOCLELLAND for the substitute hand, and thus necessitate a republi- the close of section eight of this of Mr. WRIGHT. cation by the State, in order to supply article :

Mr. BILLS. I desire to ask the subsequent Legislatures with the gen- The CHAIRMAN. The committee mover of that substitute if there might eral laws of the State. For these rea- has once refused to strike out these not be an embarrassment in changing sons, without saying anything further words.

the compensation at any time, so far as upon the subject, I must oppose the Mr. CONGER. I ask the unanimous it may relate to members of the Senate. · amendment offered by the gentleman consent of the committee, that this may By this article a portion of the memfrom St. Joseph, (Mr. STOUGHTON.): be done.

bers of the Senate go out at one time; • Mr. MUSSEY. I can understand Mr. BILLS. I hope there will be of coursé, upon any change being made the object of the mover of this amend- no objection to the suggestion made in the compensation, a portion of the , ment, and I think it a good one; still by the gentleman from St. Clair. It Senate would remain in office for the I do not think it necessary to make is simply a question of arrangement, next Legislature. this change in the section in order to an amendment having been adopted to Mr. MCCLELLAND. Then the secure that object. The section which this sentence, rendering it unnecessary compensation would not be changed he proposes to amend is in the Consti- in this section, it should be taken from for these members of the Senate who tution of 1850; and I think the mem- here and placed where it properly be- remained in the Legislature. bers of the Legislature have had no longs.

Mr. HENDERSON. It occurred to difficulty in obtaining the use of any Mr. CONGER. I will not press my me, after taking my seat, that in allu- . books that are in the library; but they motion but will leave the matter for ding to the substitute of the gentleman do not have the privilege of taking the committee on arrangement and from Wayne, (Mr. MCCLELLAND,) I those books as their own at the close phraseology. ...

failed to express fully what I meant. of the session. A regular account is Mr. WITHEY. I move to amend I only excepted to the part with regard kept with each member of the Legisla- the first sentence of this section by ad- to mileage. I should have included also ture, and at the close of the session he ding the words “for actual attendance." the fact that I took exception to allowis required to return those books to Thàt sentence will then read," the com- ing members to fix their own compenthe library, before he is entitled to re-pensation of the members of the Leg- sation. Aside from that I prefer the ceive his pay. Members of the Legis- islature during the session thereof, shall substitute to the original section. lature can have access to the library be four dollars per day for actual at Mr. WRIGHT. I hope the substiand obtain the books to use, as far as tendance.” My object is simply to tute of the gentleman from Wayne will they need. I fail to see the necessity prevent the paying of the members of not be adopted. I think the substitute of the amendment. I can see the im- the Legislature for the time that they I have offered is much better, more portance of members having access to are not in attendance here. As the perfect and comprehensive. I have in the library, and having the use of such section now reads, I think the con- never been charged with being a conbooks as are the property of the State, struction which must be given to it servative in politics; yet, in offering during the session. I can hardly favor would require that a member of the this substitute, I desire to be a conserthe amendment, according to my pres- Legislature who did attend for a single vative man-to occupy a position béent understanding of it. :

day of the session would be entitled tween my friend from Kalamazoo, Mr. BLACKMAN. When the vote to pay for the whole time. I have no (Mr. GIDDINGS,) who is so strenuously was taken before, I did not understand objection to the construction hereto- opposed to legislation by this Conventhis question as I now understand it. fore given to the words “actual atten- tion, and those gentlemen who take the If this amendment is designed to give dance;" but I think it should be in the opposite ground. The proposition I to each member of the Legislature a power of the Legislature to protect it- submit in my substitute is, that the copy of all the statutes of the State, self against any member claiming pay Legislature shall be restricted to a certhen I certainly am opposed to it. for the entire session, when he might tain extent in providing for their own That would not only include the com- not have been in attendance more than compensation at a per diem rate, if piled laws, but a copy of all the pre- a day or two.

they choose, and also to fix their milevious session laws. It would go even The question was then taken upon age; but, in no instance shall they exfurther. If a person should be elected the amendment of Mr. WITHEY, and it ceed the limit of six hundred dollars a member of any Legislature, he would was agreed to. .

per year. With the gentleman from be entitled to a copy of these laws; Mr. BURTCH. I move to amend Kalamazoo, I think this section, even and if elected to the next Legislature, the section by striking out of the sec- as now amended, contains too much * he would be entitled to the same thing ond sentence the words, " or submitted minute legislation. The substitute over again. It seems to me that it to them by special message."

which I have offered proposes to do would require quite a supply of these The CHAIRMAN. That amend-away with all these minutiæ, and to tie books to meet the demand that would ment can be received only by unani- the hands of the Legislature only in be created by this amendmentif adopted mous consent, as the committee of the reference to the sum total of the an

The question was taken upon the whole have once refused to strike out nual pay of members. In other reamendment of Mr. STOUGHTON and it that section."

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Mr. GIDDINGS. I object to the out restriction.
Mr. CONGER. I now ask consenti amendment.

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The CHAIRMAN. The amendment session to be one hundred days. Then,

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by my proposition, they could allow mittee as a little deranged, I hope they | The question recurred upon the sub-1 compensation not to exceed six dollars will look not at the man but at the idea stitute offered by Mr. WRIGHT, as per day, which shall include all per- he advances; if the idea is sound, then follows::: quisites. There is no doubt that at a let the derangement pass. The pro- "The Legislature shall determine the com. regular session of the Legislature, the vision of the section is, that the Leg-pensation of its members: Provided, That

such compensation shall not exceed six hunpay of many members would reach islature, when convened in extra ses- lared dolla

Savure, wueu convened esut Sos. | dred dollars per annum." that amount; perhaps in some cases it sion, shall legislate on no subjects. The substitute of Mr. WRIGHT was. might exceed it a little. But in my but those stated in the Governor's not agreed to estimation it would be more apt to fall proclamations, or submitted to them No further amendment was offered considerably short of six hundred dol-, by special message. I have in' myl to this section lars for the session. If the Legisla- mind a transaction that took place not ture should find it preferable, or more a great way off, where a constituency,

COMPENSATION OF PRESIDENT OF SENATE convenient, to simply provide that each only eleven miles from this place, did

AND SPEAKER OF HOUSE. member shall have the sum of six not learn of some clap-trap legislation

The next section was read as follows: hundred dollars per annum for his ser- until they were tied hand and foot.

SECTION 12. The President of the Senate vices, in lieu of all other compensation, The persons in the Legislature inter- 1 tives shall each be entitled to six dollars per

and the Speaker of the House of Representapay or perquisites, then I think it ested in this matter went to work, pre- diem compensation, and the same mileage as... highly proper that they should be per-pared all the machinery, fixed the mat-members of the Legislature, and no more. mitted to make such provision. I ter all up, and it was not known: Mr. FERRIS. I move to amend

As to the provision contained in this generally that any such thing was to this section by striking out the word section: that each member shall be en-| transpire. In a stealthy hour a message "and," after the word “Senate," and titled to one copy of the laws, journals, came from the Governor to the Legisla- inserting after the word “Représentaand documents of the Legislature, of ture, and in a moment, as it were, in the tives, the words, "and the chairmen which he shall be a member, there twinkling of an eye, there was a great of the standing committees; also to would be no difficulty about that under | wrong perpetrated upon individuals in strike-out the words, and the same my amendment. Every member of the this State. And what has transpired mileage as members of the Legislature Legislature would have access to the may transpire again. I am opposed to and no more. The section, if so State library where he could procure any such clap-trap being put in the amended, will read: for himself a copy of the laws, to be Constitution. Take all your traps and "The President of the Senate, Speaker of

the House of Representatives, and the

atchąirmen of the standing committees shall ture. As a matter of course every the people may not be jeopardized each be entitled to six dollars per diem member would be entitled to a copy of by any such operations. It is easy compensation.".... the journals and documents of the sos-enough to be seen that by political I am in favor of this compensation sion. The session journals and docu- manoeuvering a trap of this kind may of six dollars per day to the President ments would be no part of course of be sprung upon the people of this State of the Senate and the Speaker of the the compensation of members for their and they would have no chance what- House of Representatives, because of services. They might order those ever to resist it, unless they rose in the responsibilities that rest upon them, things for themselves; but I would not revolution. I hope that the legislation and the great labor they have to perrestrict them in that particular. I think of the State hereafter will be so con- form. I think it is right that these that on the whole, it appears to be the ducted as to avoid all disposition to officers should have their increase of aim of many members of this commit- revolution. When législation tends to compensation; and gentleman who have tee to tie the hands of the Legislature revolution, it produces blood. It may had experience in matters of législatoo closely, to leave them too little to be agreeable to some gentlemen to tion will sustain me in the assertion, do, to mistrust them too much. I am have blood drawn, because it requires that chairmen of the standing commitunwilling to take this ground; I am a great many servants to go round

a great many servants to go round tees have a vast amount of labor to unwilling to occupy the position of with a sponge and take it up. I am in perform. It seems to me that they are saying, or implying, that I have no favor of having such legislation as will equally entitled to the favorable con- : ! confidence in the future Legislatures tend to keep the people quiet. I am sideration of this Convention with the which shall convene in this city. I in favor of having such a Constitution President of the Senate, and the Speakthink the substitute I have offered as will quiet the apprehensions of the er of the House of Representatives. I comprehends enough; it restricts the people, secure them in their interests, think it is no more than right, that Legislature enough. I hope, therefore, and save them from all clap-trap oper- they should receive additional compenthat the proposition made by the gen-ations.

sation. In reference to the latter tleman from Wayne will not be The question was upon the substitute clause of this section, in relation to adopted. I hope the majority of this of Mr. MCCLELLAND, as follows:

mileage, I think it is wholly unnecescommittee will vote down this propo

sary. They would receive their mileis propost" The members of the Legislature sball re |

phen sition, and that when they come to Iceive for their service

hen they come to ceive for their services a compensation to be age any way, as members of the Legvote upon the substitute I have offered, ascertained by law, and paid out of the pub- islature, they will adopt it. :

lic treasury; but no increase of the comper. Mr. DANIELLS. I hope this amend

sation shall take effect during the term for · Mr. BURTCH. I am placed under which the members of either Höüse shall meu

ment will not prevail. It would be the necessity, in order to secure the have been elected; such compensation shall very invidious to make such a distincrights of the people of the State of not exceed four dollars per day, with tention between manh

cents mileage, for the distance actually tray: Michigan, to sustain the amendment eled by the usual routes, and an allowance for

committees. The gentleman from Kent, offered by the gentleman from Wayne, stationery, postage and newspapers, not ex- (Mr. FERRIS, ) is the chairman of a very (Mr. MCCLELLAND,) in preference to

in nreferenca to ceeding fitteen dollars for each member, dur-l'important committee in this body. The the section reported by the committee.

ing any one session. When convened in
extra session, they sball legislate on no other com

committee on smoking tobacco in the There is one part of the section re- subjects than those expressly submitted by public streets. :: ported by the committee which, to my the Governor.".

Mr. FERRIS. That is not a standmind, is quite obnoxious. Notwith- The substitute upon a division, ayes ing committee." standing I am regarded by the com- 19, noes 35, was not agreed to. | Mr. DANIELLS. I have the honor

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to be a member of that committee. If other committees, a compensation of from Monroe indicated that what he it was in the Legislature, then under six dollars per day, than it would be to desired to accomplish by that motion the amendment now proposed the gen- give it to the Speaker. There are but was to prevent the President of the tleman from Kent would receive six two or three committees which require Senate, and the Speaker of the House dollars per day, and I would be put on any more labor from their chairmen of Representatives, from receiving scommon doings," at four dollars a than ordinary members perform. Un- this extra compensation. But I would day. It seems to me that it would be der all the circumstances, considering submit to him whether the adoption of: an invidious distinction between mem- that we never have had any difficulty his motion would accomplish that ob- . bers of the Legislature, and I hope the in getting men to fill these positions at ject. Ithink the Constitutions of several .' amendment will not prevail. : D the ordinary rate of compensation, I of the other States leave the compensa

Mr. BLACKMAN. Perhaps this think it is better to strike out the tion of these officers to the Legislature. amendment is necessary to perfect this section entirely.

In many instances, I believe, they resection, if it is to stand as a part of the The CHAIRMAN. "The question ceive extra compensation, and in some Constitution. Now, it strikes me that will be first taken upon the amend- States they receive double pay. That there is no difficulty in getting a mem- ment of the gentleman from Kent, was formerly the case in this State. ber of the Legislature to accept the (Mr. FERRIS.)

The first Legislature which assembled position of Speaker without any extra The question was taken upon the under the present Constitution did so compensation. And from what little amendment of Mr. FERRIS, and it was under a provision that the President of : experience I have had, I think there is not agreed to. :

the Senate and the Speaker of the House no more difficulty in getting individual. The question recurred upon the mo- should be entitled to the same per .. members to accept the position of tion of Mr. MORTON, to strike out the diem compensation as members of the chairmen of standing committees at the section.

Legislature. Yet I think the Speaker same compensation that other mem- Mr. STOCKWELL. Before the of that first Legislature claimed and bers receive. But as I have said, if question is put upon striking out the received double pay; one pay as memthis section is to stand, it may be a section, I move to amend it by striking ber of the Legislature, and the other very proper distinction between the out the words " six dollars," and insert- as Speaker, 'notwithstanding this promembers of the Legislature. It will ing the words the same," so that it will vision. Now, if the provision was so also furnish an opportunity for a very read, “shall each be entitled to the limber and had such elasticity that such nice system of log-rolling among mem- same per diem compensation," etc. I a construction could be placed upon it, I bers, in order to secure the several po- may perhaps misapprehend the duties am very much inclined to think that the sitions of Speaker and chairmen of the required to be performed by the Presi- motion to strike out the section would standing committées. I think the dent of the Senate and the Speaker of hardly accomplish the purpose. I amendment should prevail if this sec- the House of Representatives, but I think it would be safer to have this tion is to be retained. ..

have not been apprized that there are section remain in the Constitution. Mr. CONGER. I am opposed to any extraordinary duties or responsi- But I apprehend that it will be stricken.. the amendment, but not for the reason bilities .resting "upon those officers out unless the amendment offered by suggested by the gentleman from Van which would justify their receiving a the gentleman from Lenawee, (Mr. Buren (Mr. BLACKMAN.) My own opin- compensation of two dollars per diem STOCKWELL,) shall prevail.. . ion would be that the log-rolling would more than the other members of the Mr MORTON. I would ask the be in an entirely different direction Legislature. I do not believe that it gentleman from Maicomih iMx More

he indicates. think 16 15 necessary tooner that increased com- |sey,) if the Speaker who took that exmight turn out that with this amend-pensation to induce individuals to fr

viduals to tra compensation was not obliged to ment, we should have a rather cumber- accept those positions. I think there par it back

accept those positions." think there pay it back to the State ? some number of standing committees will always be found enough men wilUnder the old arrangement there has ling to accept those positions without. Mr. HUSSEY. He may have been always been a considerable majority of that extra compensation. That is one under a moral obligation to do it. :: the Legislature who were not at the reason why I have offered this amend- Mr. MORTON. IF I remember. head of committees. If this amend-ment. Another reason is that I believe the attorney general demanded the ment should be adopted, they might this provision would be doing injustice extra pay, and it was paid. be induced to increase the number of to other members of the Legislature,

hature Mr. MUSSEY. We had faithful standing committees, so that every who have a larger amount of service to

officers in those days in some of member would have a chance to be perform than either of these officers.

our offices. The only question, howchairman of some committee. That is Mr. BÜRTCH. I am opposed to

ever, is, shall this section be framed so the way I believe it is now in the Sen- the amendment offered by the gentle-1, man. It was said here by some gentle

as to suit the views of the Convention;

and carry out the object they intended Mr. MORTON. Imove to strike out man, that if this section was allowed

to secure by this provision of the Conthis section. I will say that there has to remain as it was, it would create al!

stitution? I judge, from what I can. never been any difficulty in inducing great deal of log-rolling. Now, logmen of either political party to accept rolling is always a necessity in a new

108 learn of the temper and feeling of the

members of this Convention, that they the office of Lieutenant Governor, and country, and members who come here

do not wish to provide for extra compenpreside over the Senate, or to take the from the newer portions of the State position of Speaker of the House of are generally better acquainted with

pornsation for the presiding officers of the :

two houses of the Legislature. I think Representatives. I have my doubts that kind of business than they are

og at we should fail to secure the object in whether either of those officers have with legitimate legislation.* as much laborious duty to perform as Mr. MUSSEY. My first impression

view if we struck out this section. some of the chairmen of important was that I should favor the motion of Mr. MORTON. I am willing to committees. I think there would be the gentlemen from Monroe, (Mr. withdraw my motion to strike out, if more propriety in giving to the chair- MORTON,) to strike out this section. I the amendment of the gentleman from man of the judiciary committee, and think I should agree with him in the Lenawee (Mr. STOCKWELL) can be perhaps the chairmen of one or two object of his motion. The gentleman adopted.

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