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The section gives the people the amendment proposed. I think the Parliament. He was triumphantly reright to elect whom they please to rep- dangers of the abuse of this power are turned again by the electors of Westresent them. I do not consider the less than the danger that it might not minster; he was again expelled and majority of the Legislature have any be exercised when it ought to be... again returned. It was a contest beright to deny representation to a peo- Mr. FERRIS. I desire to say a tween the people, as the constituents ple, if they have made their selection word. My colleague over the way, of an elective body, and that elective of a representative. If that was al-(Mr. WITHEY,) said he was opposed to body. It so profoundly impressed the lowed the Legislature might act under my amendment simply because he was public mind of this country, as an asthe influence of passion and prejudice. in favor of the amendment of the gen- sault by Parliament upon the rights of I do not think that I should vote in a tleman from Muskegon, (Mr. HOLT.) electors, that this provision passed into legislative body to expel any man who Now, I desire to suggest to those who many of our State Constitutions; I. had been duly elected by any constitu- are in favor of his amendment that believe it was adopted by us at that ency, with a full knowledge of his they should certainly be in favor of time. It is in our Constitution now. character previous to his election. If striking out the part covered by my It has worked no harm. It stands it was old Ben. Butler himself I would motion. I would inquire if they had as the monument of a great event, and not do it. (Laughter.] ;

not first better vote for my amend I think it should still stand as such a Mr. BLACKMAN. I am in favor of ment, and then vote for his amendment? monument." the amendment of the gentleman from Mr. BURTCH. I move that the Now, I do not think I am at all beMuskegon, (Mr. HOLT.) I have no committee now rise, report progress, hind my friend from Muskegon, (Mr. fears that the Legislature, or either and ask leave to sit again.

HOLT,) my learned friend from Kent, branch of it, would abuso this power The motion was not agreed to... (Mr. WITHEY,) and my very venerable by a two-thirds vote. I think the dan- The question recurred upon the friend from Oakland, (Mr. VAN VALger is much greater that they will suf- amendment of Mr. FERRIS. .

KENBURGH,) in my desire to maintain fer longer than they ought to suffer, Mr. BURTCH. I have a word or the purity of deliberative bodies in than it is that they will exercise this two to say in regard to that this country, whether I am a member power when it ought not to be exer- amendment, and I desire to say of such a body or not. I would have cised. I can see no reason in the world, a word in reply to gentlemen who have the power preserved to enable such a if there is just cause to expel a mem- preceded me, and who have agreed in body to preserve its purity. But take ber and he is expelled, and he is again favor of expelling men from such the case presented by my friend from returned by his constituents, why the bodies as this. I heard my friend St. Clair, (Mr. CONGER.) A man is exLegislature should be compelled to from Oakland, (Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH,) pelled from this body or from any submit to his presence. They may be and my friend from Kent; (Mr. other for drunkenness, and is returned inclined to submit to it rather than to WITHEY,) say that the Legislature again by his constituents. Shall he be expel him a second time, and if they ought to have the right to purge itself expelled again? If he commits the should conclude to do so, of course there of those who are obnoxious to it. Sir, offense again, then he may be again would be no objection. . . men have been obnoxious to public expelled. But if his former transgres

In regard to the case referred to by bodies who were the purest men that sion has been punished, by the humane the gentleman from St. Clair, (Mr. ever lived on God's earth. When provisions of our law he should not CONGER,) of the distinguished member purity enters where there is impurity, be punished again. But if he again of Congress from Ohio, Mr. Giddings, it is always obnoxious. Sir, I appre-defiles himself, or renders himself obhe was not expelled after being returned hend that those gentlemen had in their noxious to the body, by a repetition of the second time, but it was not on ac- mind's eye a certain member who had the transgression, that is a new cause count of any prohibition like this in the become obnoxious to them. (Laugh- for which he may be expelled. And so Constitution of the United States, be- ter.) I protest that if this doctrine is for any other offense of personal imcause there was no such restriction. to be established in this country, we purity; if the impurity is not repeated, If we needed such a restriction as is may conclude that the last vestige of there should be no authority anywhere here proposed, then I think the case freedom is flown from the soil of Mich- for vindictiveness on account of past alluded by the gentleman from Monroe, igan. Without any cause, without al- offenses. Hardly ever will such' a . (Mr. MORTON,) afforded a good reason lowing a man to be heard in his de- punishment fall upon a member of a for it. I do not know from any actual fense, a body rises in its majesty of legislative body for misconduct of this knowledge, what were the facts in that numbers, and expels a man who has kind. : case. But it was said that the person been sent to that body by his constit- I will take a case which no doubt is was living in this State in open polyga- uents. And it is proposed that that pressing upon gentlemen, in consemy; he was living in constant and direct body may keep him out, even if his quence of circumstances through which violation of the laws of God and of the constituents return him again. Sir, I we have just passed, a case of flagrant State of Michigan, if report was true, trust in God that that will never be disloyalty. Should such a man be ex- .. and also in opposition to the best in the judgment of this house.

I pelled? I agree that he should be ex-. terests of society, and in opposition to Mr. LOTHROP. I do not feel quite pelled once. But suppose his constitits most sacred relations. Now, be- as much alarmed as my friend from uents return him again. Sir, if his cause his constituents knew these facts Eaton (Mr. BURTCH) seems to be; still constituents return him, then there is when they elected him, if we admit I do not feel quite willing to part com- this grave suggestion to be borne in that his conduct afforded sufficient pany with these old words; they have mind, there is at least a difference of grounds for his expulsion otherwise, I traveled with us for upwards of thirty opinion between the legislative body do not know why he should not have years. They arose on an occasion and a constituency in the State, whethbeen expelled. I do not understand which profoundly impressed popular er the person has been guilty of disthat that is any good reason why the sentiment in this country; and I trust loyalty or not. A legislative body is. Legislature should be precluded from the lesson is not entirely lost on the but a transient body of persons. . Such the right to expel such a person. I people now. Members of this Con- a person may be unpleasant to the think the case quoted by the gentleman vention will remember that John|body; it may be unwise for. his con is a good illustration in favor of the Wilkes was expelled from the British stituency to send him there. Yet, con

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sidering the case as a difference of Prayer by the Rev. Mr. POTTER. was referred to the committee on
opinion between the body and the con-| The roll was called, and a quorum intoxicating liquors.
stituency, it is better in my opinion for answered to their names.

UNLAWFUL USE OF PUBLIO MONEY. the body to bear with this offense and


Mr. LOTHROP offered the followto leave the truth and right to work

Mr. SUTHERLAND presented the ing resolution, which was referred to their way out among his constituents, petition of C. H. Winslow, F. Pistorins the committee on miscellaneous prorather than to expel him again from and 83 other residents of Saginaw l visionig. that body. If he has been once ex-l county, praying that a clause may be Resolved, That the committee on miscelpelled and his constituents send him

inserted in the new Constitution re-laneous provisions, be instructed to inquire DACA d2dlho budu is ground 101 doulon, I quiring the Legislature to authorize distro navision ho

into the expediency of adopting some constinot against him, but against the con-| the issue of licenses for the sale of in- having charge of public moneys. shall be

w we stituency which elected him; they toxicating liquors under proper restric

more effectually prevented from the unlawful should be disfranchised rather than hel tions: which was referred to the com, use thereof, by loan or otherwise, and from should be punished. .

con receiving any compensation for such unlaw., mittee on intoxicating liquors.

ful use. At all events the chances of injury Mr. MILLER presented the petition ! are so few under this clause that it ot E. L. Slawson

. Mr. MILLER presented the petition CASES PENDING IN CIRCUIT COURTS.

E. L Baker. D. A. seems to me it would be better if we Slawson, S. J. Hitchcock and 403 other

Mr. SUTHERLAND offered the fol

lowing resolution, which was adopted: ould keep the company of these persons, residents of the city of Saggood old words originating in a grand

Resolved, That the Secretary of this coninaw, asking to have section 47, article occasion, keep them in the new con-| 4. of the present Constitution, retained / county clerk in this state that such clerk

vention request, by circular addressed to each stitution, if we should be so fortūnate in

tunate in the new; which was referred to the report to this Convention, as speedily as as to make one that will command the committee on intoxicating liquors.

practicable, how many causes, civil and .

criminal, were pending in the circuit courts approval of the people.

: Mr. MUSSEY presented the petition of their respective counties, on the first day The question was upon the amend-of

of Mrs. Alice Hawscomb, Mrs. Ayres of January, 1866, and on the first day of ment of Mr. FERRIS to strike out the land 70 others, asking that the clause

Land zo others skince that the piano July, 1867, and how many were, in that words “nor for any cause known to in the present Constitution prohibiting the aggregate amount of iudgment in the

period, disposed of by trial or judgment, and his constituents antecedent to his the granting of licenses for the sale of election."

intoxicating liquors as a beverage, be DELEGATES IN LEGISLATURE FROM COUNTIES The amendment was not agreed to, retained in the new; which was re- NOT ENTITLED TO REPRESENTATIVES. upon a division; ayes 20, noes 39.

ferred to the committee on intoxicating Mr. BURTCH. I offer the followThe question recurred upon thelli upon the liquors.

ing resolution: amendment of Mr. HOLT, to strike out Mr. WALKER presented the peti- Resolved, That each organized county not the words, “No member shall be ex- tion of Rev. E. G. Vandusen, E. Chase. I entitled to a representative in the Legislapelled a second time for the same J. D. Sickles and 35 other citizens of ture, be entitled to a delegate to represent

the interest of such counties; but that said the town of Essex, Clinton county, and delegate shall have no vote, with such comconstituents antecedent to his election." Lite

on its vicinity, for the retention in the new peusation as shall be provided by law. The amendment was not agreed to, Constitution of section 47 article d op!

not agreed to; Constitution of section 47, article 4, of Mr. PRINGLE. I move that the on a division; ayes 14, noes not counted. I the present Constitution; which was resolution be referred to the commit

Mr. BURTCH. I move to amend referred to the committee on intoxi-| tee on miscellaneous provisions. this section by inserting before the re the cating liquors.

11 The motion was agreed to. word" qualifications, the word “legalo" | Mr. BĀRBER presented the petition ! . LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT.

The amendment was not agreed to. lof Robert Swaffield, Phebe J. Howland Mr BLACKMAN. I move that the · Mr. FARMER. I move that the land 51 other citizens of the town of convention now resolve itself ito com. committee now rise, report progress, | Ovid. Branch county, praying that the little Ovid, Branch county, praying that the mittee of the whole, on the general

thi hoan and ask leave to sit again.

right of suffrage be extended to women, order: The motion was agreed to.

the same as to men; which was re- The motion was agreed to. The committee accordingly rose; and ferred to the committee on elections. The Convention accordingly resolved the PRESIDENT having resumed the Chair,

Mr. DIVINE presented the petition itself into committee of the whole, Mr. PRINGLE reported that the lof F. L. Walter and 65 other citizens (Mr Parvatn in the chair) änd rem committee of the whole, pursuant to

of Lexington, Sanilac county, in favor sumed the consideration of the article the order of the Convention, had had

of a license law; which was referred to entitled “Legislative Department.” : : under consideration the article entitled |

the committee on intoxicating liquors. “Legislative Department;" had made


Mr. WRIGHT presented the petition some progress therein, and had directed of John W. Stebbing and 30 others The CHAIRMAN. When the comhim to ask leave for the committee to citizens of Barry county, in favor of

of mittee rose yesterday it had proceeded sit again.

in the consideration of this article as prohibition. Leave was accordingly granted.

Also, the petition of A. P. Moore, s. tar as section nine, which reads as

0-1C. Prindle, A. D. Rork and 70 other follows: vention now adjourn.

SECTION 9. Each House sball choose its
citizens of Barry county, on the same
The motion was agreed to; and ac-

own officers, except as otherwise provided in subject; which were referred to the this Constitution; determine the rules of its , cordingly (at twenty-five minutes before

committee on intoxicating liquors.. proceedings, and judge of the qualifications, 6 o'clock p. m.,) the Convention ad

Mr. HOLT presented the petition of elections and returns of its members, and journed.

Wesley F. Wood, I.. Reed, Thomas all the members elected, expel a member.
Wheeler, Samuel H. Stevens, Edward No member shall be expelled a second time

H. Wylie. Thos. J. Rand, Joseph H. for the same cause; nor for any cause known

to his constituents antecedent to his election; Hackley, Henry J. Pemberton and 58 the reason for such expulsion shall be entered ... FRIDAY, July 12, 1867. other citizens of Muskegon, Muskegon. upon the journal, with the names of the The Convention met at nine o'clock county, praying for the retention of members voting on the question. a. m., and was called to order by the section 47, article 4, of the old Consti- Mr. BURTCH. I move to amend. PRESIDENT

Itution, in the new instrument; which this section by adding after the words

htion, had itled the comWRIGHT bbins and


« expel a member," the words and no No further amendment was offered Mr. MILES. I would not object to member shall be expelled without cause, to this section.

...the proposition of the gentleman from or without being heard in his own de-NUMBER NECESSARY TO CONSTITUTE A Kalam

CONSTITUTE A Kalamazoo, (Mr. GIDDINGS,) if his propfense."


osition can be carried out. I care The question was taken upon the

The next section was read as follows: 1200

was nothing about my amendment; but if amendment of Mr. BURTCH, and it was

SECTION 10. A majority of each House shall

his cannot be carried out, then I desire not agreed to.

constitute a quorum to do business; but a to nave my amendment adopted. I Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH. Imove smaller pumber may adjourn from day to day, believe it is the duty of the people of to amend this section by transposing

and compel the attendance of absent members this State to permit the Governor, when

in such manner and under such penalties as the last clause of the last sentence to each House may prescribe..

he calls a special session of the Legissentence. That No amendment was offered to this lature to have the Legisture in session sentence will then read: ... section.

so long as it may be necessary for them ..,66 The reason for such expulsion shall be


to transact the business laid before them . entered upon the journal, with the pames of| the members voting on the question. No

at that time, whether it take twenty, Nol The next section was read as follows:

thirty or forty days. I would leave member sball be expelled a second time for SECTION 11. The compensation of the memthe same cause; nor for any cause known to bers of the Legislature shall be four dollars

| the Legislature to perfom all the duties

do Legia his constituents antecedent to his election." per day. When convened in extra session which might then be required of them, This is merely a transposition of the their compensation shall be four dollars per and I would pay them for all the time

day for the first twenty 'days, and nothing language, but I think it is a material

thereafter; and they shall législate on no they were so occupied, the same as improvement of the section." other subjects: than those expressly stated members of the Legislature are paid .

Mr. FERRIS. I would suggest to in the Governor's proclamation, or submitted while in regular session. the gentleman from Oakland that this to them by special message. They shall be

| Mr. FERRIS. It seems to me that .

entitled to ten cents, and no more, for every matter of the arrangement of the sec- mile actually traveled, going to and returning the amendment which I offered is proption would come properly before the from the place of meeting, on the usually erly an amendment to the amendment committee on arrangement and phra

traveled route, and for sationery, postage of the canthamon from St Cloir (Mr and newspapers, not exceeding fifteen dollars

of the gentleman from St. Clair, (Mr. seology.

for each member during apy session. Each MILES.) If the amendment proposed Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH. The member shall be entitled to one copy of the by the gentleman from St. Clair should committee on arrangement and phra- a

laws, journals and documents of the Legisla-Ih first considered ond not odontod

Legislar be first considered and not adopted,

ture of which he was a member; but shall seology might overlook the matter, as not receive at the expense of the State. I that is, should this committee refuse well as the committee who reported this books, newspapers, or other perquisites of to strike out the words covered by his section.

office, not expressly authorized by this Con- l amendment. then it would interfere

stitution. Mr. DANIELLS. I was about to

Mr. MILES. I move to amend this

very materially with my amendment. make the very remark which was made section by striking out of the second

The CHAIRMAN.. The Chair does. by the gentleman from Kent, (Mr.

That I sentence the words. es for the first not understand that there is any difiiFERRIS.) twenty days, and nothing thereafter."

culty in the matter. Mr. NORRIS. Will the gentleman

The gentleman Mr. FERRIS. I move to amend

from Kent, (Mr. FERRIS,) proposes to promise that the committee on arthis section by striking out all of the

strike out an entire sentence of this rangement and phraseology will not

second sentence, as follows: overlook the matter?

section. The amendment of the gen

"When convened in extra session their

tleman from St. Clair, (Mr. MILES,) is Mr. DANIELLS. I will promise

promise compensation shall be four dollars per day to strike out some eight or ten words that the committee will do it. There for the first twenty days, and nothing there of the section. In the opinion of the no liatin in this section. I laughter i after; and they shall legislate on no other

Chair the amendment of the gentle· We certainly can understand this much,

subjects than those expressly stated in the

LOLI, Governor's proclamation, or submitted to man from St. Clair should be first conat all events. : them by special message."

sidered, in the same way that amendThe amendment of Mr. VAN VALKEN- The CHAIRMAN. The amendment ments to perfect any clause should be BURGH was agreed to

of the gentleman from St. Clair, (Mr. considered before a vote is taken upon Mr. BURTCH. I would like to offer MILES.) being to perfect the part pro- the motion to strike out that clause. as an amendment to this section the proposed to be stricken out by the gen- Hence it would be entitled to the prelast portion of the amendment which tleman from Kent, (Mr. FERRIS,) will cedence, which it already has in point I offered a few minutes since. I think, I be first put to vote.

of time. The question therefore will at this age in the history of the world, Mr. GIDDINGS. I desire to offer be first taken upon the motion of the we should not become more tyrannical an amendment at the proper time, and gentleman from St. Clair. than the old Jewish Sanhedrim. I I will ask of the Chair now an opinion Mr. WALKER. I appreciate the renew the latter part of my amend-in regard to it. I desire to move to distinction made by the Chair, and ap- :. ment. ..

strike out all of this section except the prove of his ruling in regard to the The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman first line, which fixes the compensation order in which the question shall be will reduce his amendment to writing of members of the Legislature at four taken upon these amendments. I proUntil the gentleman has done that, dollars per day. I would inquire if it pose to vote for the amendment of the and forwarded his amendment to the would be in order for me to submit gentleman from St. Clair; but with my Chair, if there is no amendment to be that motion at this time, or must I present feelings, I cannot vote for the offered to this section, the committee defer it until after other amendments proposition of the gentleman from will proceed to consider section ten of now pending have been acted upon? Kent, (Mr. FERRIS.) Consequently this article.

I do not desire to lose the opportunity I think it is desirable that the vote Mr. BURTCH subsequently moved to offer the amendment. I

should be first taken upon the motion to amend section nine by inserting after The CHAIRMAN. It would be in' to strike out a portion of the sentence, the words "expel a member," the order for the gentleman to submit the and then upon the motion to strike out words, “but no such member shall be motion at this time; but before the the entire sentence. i. expelled without being heard in his vote could be taken upon it, all amend- The question was then taken upon defense." I

ments to the portion he proposes to the amendment of Mr. MILES to strike The amendment was not agreed to strike out must be disposed of. out the word, “for the first twenty

ten to this ich these But this clause vided forent. I

omg ond still he shall nital person only led to

the Lewatters as megislation only there de date ment. The


days, and nothing thereafter;" and the Mr. BLACKMAN. I desire to say the first sentence. As I suppose amendment was agreed to. the gentleman from St. Clair, (Mr. this Convention would desire to deter

The question recurred upon the CONGER,) that a section in the article mine the question of compensation for motion of Mr. FERRIS, to strike out the on the executive department author- members of the Legislature, I will not sentence as amended.

zes the Governor to call the Legis- move to strike out the first sentence, Mr. FERRIS. I desire to state the lature together in extra session.. . which proposes to fix that compensareason why I have made this motion. Mr. CONGER. That may be; my tion at four dollars a day; although I Whenever the Legislature is convened attention was directed more particu- think the whole section might very well. in special or extra session, it is just as larly to this article. Perhaps the sec- go. I understand from what was said. competent to judge what the public tion to which the gentleman refers by the gentleman from Van Buren, interests require in the way of legisla- would cover this case. But even if so,(Mr. BLACKMAN,) that the subject of tion, as is the Governor himself. I do my objection to striking out this clause extra sessions of the Legislature is pronot believe in this one man power. I would still remain. If this committee vided for by the article on the executive would strike out that clause so that of the whole shall adhere to its action department. Thus, the inférence alluwhen the Governor calls the Legisla- in regard to annual sessions, there ded to by the gentleman from St. Clair, ture together in extra session, they should be allowed legislation only upon (Mr. CONGER,) as being in this section, shall be at liberty to exercise their such matters as may be submitted to is not needed at all. The second senjudgment in reference to the legislation the Legislature by the Governor. I tence of this section goes on to say that then proposed, and not wait to be told think this clause is a very proper and the compensation of members of the by the Governor whether they might desirable provision, especially now that Legislature when convened in extra legislate on this matter or that. : the committee have, upon motion of session shall be four dollars per day.

Mr. M. C. WATKINS. It strikes me my colleague, (Mr. MILES,) stricken I suppose it would be four dollars a that. as we have decided that there out the limitation as to time.

day whether that sentence was retained. shall be annual sessions of the Legis- Mr. MCCLELLAND. "Profiting by in the article or not, because the lature the amendment of my colleague, the advice given to me by my friend amount is fixed by the first sentence of (Mr. FERRIS,) is improper. Whenever from Kalamazoo, Mr. GIDDINGS,) yes- the section. I am unable to see why à special session is called by the Gova terday, I would suggest to the chair- | this Convention should undertake to ernor, it is for some special purpose; man of the committee on the Legisla- determine the necessities for all time to for some important business, which it tive department, (Mr. CONGER,) wheth- come in regard to what shall be done is necessary to have transacted at that er it would not be better to strike out in extra sessions. This section says time. As a matter of course, the Gov- the whole of this section eleven. I that members of the Legislature, when ernor would make a communication to think it is a very clumsy section as it convened in extra session, shall receive the Legislature in regard to that busi- stands in the present Constitution, and four dollars per day. It then goes on ness. When the Legislature have also in this article. I think it better to say that "they shall legislate on no transacted the business for which they to strike it out, and in its place to in- other subjects than those expressly were called together. I do not think sert the section in regard to this sub-stated in the Governor's proclamation,

hould be at liberty to go on and ject found in the Constitution of 1835, or submitted to them by special meslegislate upon other business. If we with a little addition to it which I will sage.” Now, I think the representatives were to have biennial sessions, then I read:

of the while people of the State are as might perhaps be in favor of this! "The members of the Legislature shall re- competent to judge of that matter as the

ceive for their services a compensation to be Governor himself. amendment. But if we are to have

I am unwilling to ascertained by law, and paid out of the annual sessions, then when the Legis- treasury; but no increase of the compensa. aamit for one moment that the Goverlature is called together in extra ses- tion shall take effect during the term for nor of the State of Michigan is wiser sion by the Governor, I think they have been elected; and such compensation

- wbich the members of either House shall than the people of the State of Michi. should legislate on no other subjects shall never exceed four dollars a day.”

gan. I know we have proceeded upon than those presented by the Governor.

In the Constitution of 1835 the com

that idea, and we are continually taking . Mr. CONGER. If it is the design of pensation was limited to three dollars

some rubbish from the past and incorthe committee to allow extra sessions

porating it in this Constitution. . . at all, I think this amendment should four do

four dollars a day. But I also propose

“They shall be entitled to ten cents,

"They shall be not prevail. There is no authority for to add to the section the following :

and no more, for every mile actually calling the Legislature together in ex

I traveled.” So we have a ten-cent

"When convened in extra session, they tra session, except in the clause which shall legislate upon no other subjects, except

clause in the Constitution, and I have is now proposed to be stricken out. By those expressly presented to them by the no doubt that we will have a nine-cent the terms of section eight of this arti- Governor."

clause in it before we get through. " Ten cle, as now amended, the Legislature: It seems to me that would be better cents, and no more, for every mile acis restricted to meeting on the second than the section as it now stands.. tually traveled, going to or returning: Wednesday in January in every year, The question was then taken upon from the place of meeting, on the usu“ unless as provided in this Constitu- the amendment of Mr. FERRIS, and it ally traveled route.” Now, be careful tion." And the only provision in this was not agreed to..

and take " the usually traveled route." Constitution for an extra session at all, Mr. MCCLELLAND. I now move The representatives of the people are is the implied permission in the first to strike out this section and to insert not honest, and we are afraid that the portion of the sentence proposed to be in lieu thereof what I have just read. Legislature who shall meet after us, stricken out: “when convened in ex- Mr. GIDDINGS. I have an amend- may get ten cents too much in some tra session," etc. I refer to this matter ment which I desire to have voted way. Now I want to know if the Legin order that gentlemen of this com- upon....

lislatures of this State have not been mittee may act advisedly. For myself, Mr. MCCLELLAND. If the amend- economical enough to suit us all ? I cannot see any reason why the Leg- mėnt of the gentleman is a good one, What necessity is there for us to unislature should be at liberty when call. I will vote for it.

::. dertake to settle all these little ten-cent. ed together in extra session, to go over Mr. GIDDINGS. I propose to questions in the Constitution of the the whole ground of legislation. Istrike out all of the section but State of Michigan?

“ And for stationery;" be careful that incorporated in any one section." I thought of for a constitution. It strikes you do not get too much of that. The say the Constitution would be better me that the gentleman did not see that Legislature fixed the amount of sta- without a single word of it, than it is exhibition of liberality. tionery for members of this Conven- with it. I insist that all the wisdom of Mr.GIDDINGS. Well, that is the tion at five dollars each. I would the State of Michigan is not confined part that I propose to keep in. rather pay my own expenses for stå- to this Constitutional Convention. Mr. MUSSEY. Yes, sir; but he is tionery than to have such a little'mat- I have found some wisdom every- going to cut out extra compensation, :: ter as this in the Constitution. “Pos- where among the people, and to quite which it is proposed to give to memtage;" that does not mean postal cur- as great an extent as it is here. I in- bers when they are convened in special rency, I suppose, but postage stamps. sist that just as wise men will probably session. Now, I think the gentleman “And newspapers;" you cannot even be elected by the people of the State should endeavor to reach an equilibritake your own newspaper, if the of Michigan to their Legislature, as um somewhere. amount for stationery and postage they have elected to this Convention. Mr. WRIGHT. I have noticed the for any session, shall exceed fifteen They will be just as powerful in intel- point in regard to this section, to which : dollars. I just want to read this lect, just as economical, and just as reference has been made by the gen- .. to show the ridiculousness of the able to judge upon all these subjects tleman from Macomb, (Mr. MUSSEY.) whole thing. I do not mean of ten cents, and newspapers, and sta- I desire to offer the following substiany. disrespect for the chairman tionery, and postage, as we are. I feel tute for the entire section. of the committee who reported the ashamed to be sitting here day after "The Legislature shall determine the com- . . article, or for the committee them-1 day incorporating little ten-cent propo-pensation of its members: Provided. That

such compensation shall not exceed six hunselves, for they evidently followed the sitions into the Constitution of the

Odbous 1.10 Constitution. O thedred dollars per annum to each member." .. Constitution of 1850. “Each member State of Michigan. It may suit some The CHAIRMAN. The substitute shall be entitled to one copy of the men to do it, but it does not suit me. of the gentleman from Barry (Mr. laws, journals and documents of the We must trust the people; we have Wacom will be held in bevance until Legislature of which he was a memi-insisted all the time that some matters the amendment designed to perfect the .. ber.” Do you suppose that any mem- should be left to the people. If the mem

section shall be first considered... ber of the Legislature would take two bers of the Legislature come here, and

Legislature would take two bers of the Legislature come here, and Mr. GIDDINGS. I suppose that copies of the laws, or two copies of the stay more days than are necessary to my motion to strike out can be disjournals, and put them in his coat-tail perform the business of the State, the

the posed of, and if agreed to by this compockets and carry them off? “And people will take care of them for that.

that. mittee, then anything else that may be shall not receive, at the expense of the But the idea that members are coming

bers are coming necessary can be inserted. State, books, newspapers, or other per- here to occupy their time and fritter it Mr VAN VALKENBURGH I do quisites of office, not expressly author- away uselessly, is a matter I think we not see why it is necessary ized by this Constitution.” If there is should not trouble ourselves about at main here any longer if we are to fol.

ive document that you want all. That is a thing which will regulato low the lead of the gentleman from to use, you can not have it unless it is itself. The people outside of this con-| Kalamazoo. (Mr. GIDDINGS.) Why not “expressly authorized by this Consti- vention understand these things just atrila out the wh

Things just strike out the whole Constitution? tution."

Tas well as we do here. I shall be He is opposed to anothing in the shape This Constitution is to last for all happy when we begin to put off these of legislation. Now, I apprehend that time, unless we are to have another little frivolous, useless things, and per- the very object of our coming here is

nal Convention, which I mit the Legislature to have something to legislate. We are here to make hope will not be. I have a paragraph to do in the years that are to come after

ragraph to do in the years that are to come after laws, the organic law of the State of here from the New York Post which we have left here.

Michigan, and that law cannot be made expresses my views on this whole sub-/ Mr. MUSSEY. I do not propose without the use of language. That ject exactly. It does it better than I to try to answer the gentleman from language should be explicit; so explicit can do it myself. After referring to Kalamazoo,(Mr. GIDDINGS,) for it is very that we shall not have to refer to the what we are doing here in the State of evident that he is considerably exas-1'courts on every occasion for its meanMichigan, speaking of what a Consti- | perated over this section, and he has | ing. The gentleman from Kalamazoo tutional Convention should do, it goes succeeded very well in ridiculing it. has a perfect horror of legislation. I on to say:

But there is one clause of this section think if we follow his lead we might as

which he has not noticed. I think it well strike out the whole Constitution "The real animus of this whole system of forestalling legislation, and tying the hands is the most liberal provision which was and return to our constituents, and of the future representatives of the people, ever in our Constitution. The very tell them that we were directed so to is nothing less than a blind distrust of public first line of this section, as I read it, I do by the gentleman from Kalamazoo. institutions. As such it ought to be rebuked | everywhere. It is high time that Americans provides that the members of the Leg- It appears to me that we are altoat least, should act upon the professed be-islature shall receive a compensation of gether too hasty about these matters. lief in the competency of the people for self- I four dollars a day for three hundred We were sent here to deliberate upon government, and should see that it is better to act freely and correct their errors by their experience, than to deprive them of the just the Legislature is in session or not. not to complain against everything in control of their own affairs."

And then it goes on to provide an ex- the shape of legislation. We cannot We have been condemning this con- tra compensation of four dollars per make a Constitution without legislation. stitution of 1850 for the last ten years, day, when they are convened in special That is the object of our convening because there was so much legislation session. The gentleman certainly here, and we all ought to do our work in it. Now here we have reported for ought not to talk of this Convention deliberately. I am of the opinion of our action a section embracing ten being penurious and engaged in little the gentleman from Kalamazoo that lines in print. I will not say that ten-cent business, etc. I think, it is a we are not to be penurious. We should it is upon one subject, for that is not little outrageous on his part to get up not be penurious in regard to time; we the case; it is upon widely different here and talk about this being a little should not be hasty in our action; subjects; upon the most incongruous ten-cent affair, when it is the most we should deliberate on all the and incoherent subjects that could be liberal provision that any man ever subjects before us, and act un

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