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gentlemen upon this floor were ready vention, although I have lived the best is possible, simply because of that reto say that foreign capital shall never part of my life in this State, and in the striction. To us this question is vital; come to aid us here, and that we shall region where I now reside, I have lived it is pressing; it is urgent; it is impornever be permitted to aid ourselves. in hope. I have lived there when there tant. So far as my people are con

I submit to gentlemen who live along was no means of access or communica- cerned, it is a question of life or death the lines of those old thoroughfares, tion in summer, and I had almost said to our advancement and our progress. commenced by the State of Michigan, there was none in winter, except as the I trust, then, that the proposition the indebtedness of which still remains ice bound our marshes between our which I have made, which, as was a part of our State indebtedness, the county and Lapeer county, not even an stated fairly, was made as a comprotax to pay the interest upon which falls ordinary wagon road. But although mise between the extreme views of equally upon the poor citizens of the we can pass along there now by means either side, may at least meet with the north as upon the rich citizens of the of a wagon road from little island to respectful hearing and the respectful south–I say to those gentleman that great island in the marsh, yet there is attention of this committee. If it canwhen we do not ask to be relieved from no means of carrying the wool and not be adopted, if other gentlemen that tax, when we do not ask that the wheat and oats to market, except by shall look upon it so differently from State shall incur any further indebted way of Pontiac, or double the distance myself, I can yield to it as best I may, . : ness, shall, do what it pledged around, in order to get our produce to and regret it at my leisure. itself to do, to build three lines a market; that which is not taken by Mr. LOTHROP. I rise to make a across the State, instead of two-Ithe lumbermen, and carried off into personal explanation. Whether, at any sảy to those gentlemen representing the woods in the north. We live, two time, I shall further discuss this quesa : those beautiful and rich counties, made counties adjoining each other, almost tion will depend entirely upon what so by the facilities which those roads as unknown to-day, so far as commu- shall seem to be the course before the have given them, they should at least nications are concerned, as though we Convention. I am well aware that let us alone, and permit us in our were living at Sitka Sound. The rail- I have already consumed more time on : : struggles to help ourselves. They road communications which we desire, this subject than I intended to conshould not smother us, as it were in are with Lapeer, Shiawassee, and with sume, or than could be agreeable to the cradle; they should let our energies other parts of the State.

this Convention. I rise merely because find some means at least of attempting I have said that I have lived there of the personal reference made to myto provide ourselves with communica- twenty years, with the hope that at self by the gentleman from St. Clair, tion between our counties for the trans- some day, these means of communica- (Mr. CoNGER.) I think it will be unportation of our products, and for tion would be opened with some other derstood by the remark of the gentlesocial intercourse. But if it cannot be, parts of the State. I have grown gray; man, that I am in this Convention as a if the word has gone forth that either my energies are passing away, the best representative of the Michigan Central, no help shall be permitted through part of my life is gone in that hopeless railroad. Now, I do not suppose that this Constitution, or what is worse, that waiting. We have asked the Legisla- my friend really thinks any such thing. the majority of this Convention shall ture to permit our townships to aid in Mr. CỌNGER. Will the gentleman say that instead of a safe and well pro- this matter; to a slight extent it has allow me to interrupt him a moment? tected system by which we may do some been granted, to another extent it has Mr. LOTHROP. Certainly little for ourselves, they will put into been denied. We ask this Convention Mr. CONGER. If the gentleman the Constitution itself an eternal re- with a reasonable, restriction, with a understood it so, I did not mean to striction, tying our hands and binding proper restriction, be it what it may, say that he was here in that capacity our energies, we can only submit to it to permit us to help ourselves in this at all. I meant simply to say that his as we have submitted to the decrees of struggle of progress; and the old and own views of the interests of his confate which have kept us in the wilder- the young both cry out against the prop-stituents, and of the necessities of his ness ever since the State began its osition to permit us to do it. Sir, it people, did not permit him to look with existence. . .

i will not sound well twenty years hence, the same interest upon our efforts and If there is no better idea of justice that gentlemen of this Convention have upon our desires that he would if he and of right for the people of the north refused us so slight a boon as that. I lived with us. I did mean to say than is proposed by the gentleman What then will be the great and pre- that that company heretofore had pre- . ! from Cass,: (Mr. VAN RIPER,) whose l ponderating influence in this State, I vented any railroad there by opposing daily slumbers are disturbed by the leave to them to say. Those who are a general railroad law. But I do not continual shrieking of the whistles of past the prime of life may not live to know that the gentleman was the their engines, we will still live on in see the changes which will come. As attorney of the company at that time. i. our solitude. And in regard to that I remarked the other day, doubtless Mr: LOTHROP. Let me say that I gentleman, who should be, with his there may be one, probably two gener- had not the slightest idea that the vouth and his energy. the very first to lations of the people of Michigan pass gentleman from St. Clair supposed that plant himself upon the principle in away, before the necessity of develop- I was here as the representative of the favor of the growth, progress and de- ing the treasures of this State shall be- Michigan Central railroad company. velopment of this State, which for long come apparent, and the true interests But the import of his remarks, as they years he may adorn, if in after years it of this State shall be protected by wise will be understood here, and as they shall be any cause of gratification to and judicious legislation. . i will go forth, will imply that such is him, or to other gentlemen who have I have to say, however, in this mat- the case. Now, I desire to say in the done their level best" in this Conven- ter, that if the proposition of the gen- most positive terms, that I think no tion to stop the progress of the State, tleman from Cass (Mr. VAN RIPER) | gentleman who knows me, will suppose to check its advancement and cripple should be inserted in our Constitution, that I would for a moment permit myits energies, God knows I do not envy it will not receive one out of every self to come into a deliberative body them their future prospects, or envy twenty yotes of the people of my of this kind, as the representative of the feelings with which they will re- county. I have to say that I believe it that or any other company. gard their former action.

would be their duty and mine to defeat I say in the next place, without any :: With me, as with many in this con- the adoption of the Constitution, if it reservation, that I do not know, nor.

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have I ever heard any intimation from cannot figure out any such sum, on any incur debt, that it was proper to conany quarter whatever, whether that basis that I can get at.

sider the amount of its debt. I say, company or the management of it even, Mr. P. D. WARNER. If the gen- as I was about to say when I was interknow that this question is before the tleman will allow me, I will explain. rupted, that if the population of this Convention, or if they do know it, what Mr. LOVELL. Certainly; that is country has been decimated, I believe are their views upon it. Nor do I what I want..

that Michigan has borne her full share know that they have any reason to un- Mr. P. D. WARNER. Understand in that decimation. Our soldiers have derstand what are my views upon the ing the indebtedness of the United fought as bravely and fallen as fresubject. In no way or shape whatev- States to be something over $2,500,- quently as the soldiers of the other er do I represent the Michigan Cen-000,000, I divided that by thirty, esti- States. It is not reasonable to suppose tral railroad company here, any more mating the population of the United that the population of Michigan has than I represent any other profession- States to be 30,000,000, and of the increased any faster than the population al connection whatever. So far as hav-State of Michigan at 1,000,000, and of the remainder of the country, or that ing that professional connection which that gave me $83,000,000. The pop- its wealth has increased to any greater for a long time has existed, if that be ulation of the United States exceeds extent. Then in making an estimate a matter of any importance, it is cer- 30,000,000, and the population of the of this sort, if you propose to add onetainly true. So far as my constituents State of Michigan does not equal one third to the population of Michigan, are concerned, I will take care of that million; for that reason I deducted why not add something like a third to matter if I should speak upon the $3,000,000, which left $80,000,000. the population of the country at large? question hereafter.

* Mr. LOVELL. I find by the cen- If so, then the population of the United .: Now, as to the imputation that the sus of 1860, that the population of this States will be 40,000,000. Now, divide

Michigan Central Railroad Company, country was in round numbers 31,000,- $2,500,000,000 by forty, and it will make once opposed a general railroad law. 000; that the population of the State the share of this State $62,500,000, I do not know that, except that they of Michigan was at that time 749,000. over $20,000,000 less than the gentlehad a controversy with the Michigan The population of the State of Mich- man from Oakland, (Mr. P. D. WAR Southern Railroad Company, upon the igan was a little less than three-quar- NER,) estimated. Now, the matter of building of a railroad from Detroit to ters of a million, and the population of $20,000,000 is not much, in all these Monroe, which was built by the facili- | the United States was a little over 30,- figures, but it is something to be conties which they afforded. I undertake 000,000. If the State of Michigan has sidered when we go into this matter to say that the Michigan Central Rail- increased in population so that it is accurately. If we go into figures at all, road Company is not opposed to any now 1,000,000, (I am inclined. to think do not make the figures lie. form of internal improvement in this that it is that very nearly,) is it unrea- It is said that our wealth, as equalState; they do not stand in the way of sonable to suppose that the population ized by the State board, is within a internal improvement of any kind. I of the United States has increased fraction of $308,000,000. Now, if the believe that if the truth was known to- to 40,000,000? I know that it will be property of this State, as equalized, is day, they are aiding the matter of in- said that the war has decimated the assessed only at two-fifths of its actual ternal improvement as much as any population somewhat.

value, (and I apprehend that no person other organization existing in the State, Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH. Will would place it higher,) then the propand giving as effectual and wholesome the Chair state what is the question erty that goes upon the tax rolls of this · aid as any other. : before this Convention ?

State is really about $770,000,000, One word more of personal explana-1 The CHAIRMAN. It is upon strik-I though represented by an equalization tion before I sit down. My friend has ing out the word “ten."

of $308,000,000. . Now, add to that all spoken of the place where I live, of the Mr. LOVELL. I am not to blame that vast amount of property which is township of Hamtramck. He has dis- if the gentleman does not understand not entered upon the tax roll at all, played rather a flighty knowledge of the question. I will not make any personal property, and property which geography in his reference to Lapland further allusions to that. .

is exempt from taxation. If you do and Terra del Fuego. But I will say Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH. I call that, you will get up to over $1,000,to my excellent friend that if he will the gentleman to order; he is not

000,000 as the real value of property honor me with a visit to my summer speaking to the question.

in this State to-day. The share of the home, (and I now give him a most! The CHAIRMAN. The question

national debt for this State is only pressing invitation to do so,) it will be has taken a considerable range during

about $62,000,000. In other words, it a part of my office there to instruct this afternoon, and there has been no

amounts to less than the lowest legal him in that matter, and to tell him that attempt to confine it within very strict

rate of annual interest allowed in this although Hamtramck may be a very limits. One portion of the discussion

State; less than seven per cent. upon enlightened place, there is one other has related to the ability of the State

the actual value of the property of the place still more enlightened, and in of Michigan to sustain whatever indebt- State. Are we then swamped with that place is my home, in Grosse Point, edness might be contracted under the

the debt? The debt is large, but the bonds and not in Hamtramck. We have one policy which it is proposed to provide

of the United States are above par, and railway there; it is not much of a rail- for in this section. The Chair under that in itself is an indication that the way, it is true; the misfortune is that it stands the gentleman from Genesee

stands the gentleman from Genesee nation is not near bankruptcy, that it ends at Port Huron. [Great laughter.] (Mr. LOVELL) to be pursuing that line has not taken the first step in that

Mr. LOVELL. Considerable has of argument, and will rule that he is in direction. been said in regard to the enormous order.


· Now, one other point; it has been debt of the country. Now, I desire to Mr. LOVELL. I did intend to pur- intimated that this section authorizes ask the gentleman from Oakland, (Mr. sue that line of argument, and I had the raising of $15,000,000. Now, if P.D. WARNER,) how it is that he figures supposed that a man in the ordinary the gentleman from Oakland, (Mr. P. out that the share of the national debt vigor of manhood, and with ordinary D. WARNER,) will figure upon the towns which belongs to this State is capacity, would have been able to see through which all the railroads would $80,000,000? I have been figuring on that when the question was whether run, which we proposed last winter it ever since he made his speech, and I the people of Michigan were able to should be built, (and nobody has any






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idea that the half of them were any. The roll was called and a quorum an- that we now have. I am opposed to. thing more than paper projects,) I swered to their names.

extending the time of our daily sesUndertake to say at a guess, that not


sions. more than one-quarter of all the value

Valu-l Mr. ELLIOTT. I ask leave of ab 1

The question was taken upon the ::.. ation of the State would be found to senda forma

I sence for myself for the rest of this resolụtion ås modified, and upon à di-.. lie in those towns. It is this kind of week

vision,- ayes 33, noes 45, it was not figuring, in which the gentleman from

| Leave was accordingly granted.
" Leave as accordingly

lagreed to. Oakland and other gentlemen have

Mr. THOMPSON. I offer the fol- ; chosen to indulge, for the purpose of


lowing resolution: frightening us from our propriety, Mr. W. E. WARNER presented the Resolved. That hereafter the afternoon sesshowing that we are going to over-| petition of Dwight A. Freeman and 63|sions of the Convention shall commence at whelm the State with debt. Sir, it is others, of Wayne county, for the omis- half past two o'clock. not worth an argument. If their sion of section 47, article IV, of thel. Mr. GIDDINGS. I hope that resoproposition is worthy of argument, old Constitution, in the new, and in lution will not prevail. I have the then why not argue it out straight and lieu thereof inserting a section author- same objection to that resolution that souare? If they are opposed to grant- izing a law granting of license...... had to the other. I do not und as ing State aid, then why not come out! Also, the petition of A. Watson and much time outside of the Convention square on that, instead of splitting the 35 others, on the same subject. as is necessary for me to look over matter up, and dividing it so as to Also, the petition of J. E. Smith and these subjects; as much time as I for one, leave nothing worth having? If we 65 others, on the same subject.

really need for that purpose. It does are to have local aid for railroads, let. Also, the petition of J. A. Smith and not seem to me that all the business of us have that which is worth something; 49 others, on the same subject.

the Convention is necessarily done : if not, then let us have none.

Also, the petition of Norman Perry while we are here in session. We are, . Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH. Iland 67 others, on the same subject; it is true, while sitting here, engaged

cannot let the opportunity pass with which were severally referred to the In the actual business of the Convenout expressing my gratitude to my committee on intoxicating liquors. :

committee on intoxicating lavora t ion; but we cannot find time for the learned and astute friend from Gene- HOUR OF MEEKING FOR A TVOERNOON

proper examination of the different see, (Mr. LOVELL,) for reducing the

subjects upon which we are to act, exdebt of the State twenty millions of

cept outside of the Convention. There dollars. I have no doubt the commit

Mr. YEOMANS. I offer the follow are a few men who spend a little time tee sympathize with me upon that subling resolution:

in exercise, which is just as necessary ject. But I will not propose a vote of

of Resolved, That the daily afternoon sessions for their health here as it is at home.

" of this Convention shall commence at half There are men who may desire to exthanks to him..

past two o'clock po m., until otherwisem Mr. LONGYEAR. I desire to make ordered.

Mise amine works and authorities connected some remarks upon two or three as-1 Mr. LEACH. I move to strike out with subjects upon which we are called pects of this question; but as it is the words “ half-past," so as to provide to act: We

to revide to act. We do not have time outside now quite late, I will very willingly yield for the afternoon session to commence of the Convention now for that pur-:. to a motion that the committee rise. I at two o'clock. I have noticed, for pose. In my judgment we are now: and make my remarks in the morning some days past, that there is a quorüm

some days past that there is a nomim occupying as many hours in the ses. Mr. WILLARD. I move that the of the Convention here as early as two sion

po sions of this Convention as we ought committee now rise, report progress, o'clock. I would like to test the sense to occupy, consistently with our duties and ask leave to sit again.

of the Convention in regard to that here .
The motion was agreed to.

* Mr. BURTCH. I have noticed from The committee accordingly rose; and Mr: YEOMANS. I accept the what has transpired in this body, that the PRESIDENT having resumed the amendment...

a great deal of business is done out of chair,

The question was upon the resolve it. + have never done such business Mr. PRINGLE reported that the tion as modified.

myself; I prefer to do what I do in committee of the whole pursuant tol Mr. GIDDINGS. I desire to say open daylight. I would be glad to the order of the Convention, had had that I sit here as may hours as I care have the Convention meet and sit long ander consideration the article entitled to, and I am perfectly willing to say to enough so that when I rise to speak * Legislative Department;" had made this Convention now, as many hours as here, can have the pleasure of being some progress therein, and had di- I am able to attend to the business | heard. Lugughter. rected him to ask leave to sit again. properly. And I am about as smart. I Mr. BRADLEY. I move to lay the

Leave was accordingly granted. as most of you, as far as physical ca- resolution upon the table..
Mr. ESTEE. I move that the Con-pacity is concerned.

Mr. INGALLS. I call for the yeas vention now adjourn.

: Mr. BARBER. I feel as anxious as and nays upon that motion... The motion was agreed to; and ac any person can to get through with The yeas and nays were ordered. cordingly (at fifteen minutes past 5 our business here as soon as we mavi l The question was then taken upon." o'clock p. m.) the Convention ad and return home. But I feel, as the laying the resolution upon the table, journed.

l gentleman from Kalamazoo (MrGtd. and it was not agreed to; yeas 43, nays.
DINGS) expresses his own case that we 744, as follows:
now. sitting here five or six hours a la YEAS Messrs. Aldrich, Alexander, An-,

drus, Barber, Bills, Bradley, Brown, Case, day, sit as long as we can, with safety Chapin, Conger, Corbin, Daniells, Divipe, FORTY-THIRD DAY.

to ourselves and the best interests of Elliott, Estee, Ferris, Germain, Giddings,

tovir constituents. It seems to me that Hixson, Holmes, Holt, Howard, Lawrence. WEDNESDAY, July 17, 1867. : we are much better prepared to inves- crave. Ninde, Norris, Richmond, Root, Shel

Lothrop, Lovell, Miles, Miller, Morton Mus. The Convention met at nine o'clock tigate such subjects that come before don, W. A. Smith, Sutherland. Van Valken.a. m., and was called to order by the us, during the first hours of our sit burgh, W. E. Warner, Willard, Winsor,. PRESIDENT. i ting here, than we are during the last

I Wilhey, Woodouse and Wright-43.
Prayer by Rev. Mr. VANDRISS.

ne Jast) NAYS--Messrs. Birney, Blackman, Burtch, hours, even with the length of sessions Burtenshaw, Chapman, Coolidge, Crocker,

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Duncan, Duncombe, Farmer, Harris, Hen- The main question was then ordered, authorized to pledge its credit for any such derson, Huston, Ingalls, Kennev. Lamb. Ini Leach, Longyear, Luce, McClelland, McCon

hoop: which was upon agreeing to the reso- purpose." nell, McKernan, Mussey, Parsons, Pratt, (lution..

The pending question is upon the Pringle, Rafter, Sawyer; Shearer, T. G. Mr. THOMPSON. Inasmuch as I amendment offered by the gentleman Smith, Stockwell, Stoughton, Thompson, Leiffered this resolution norhang Touch Tyler, Van Riper, Walker, P. D. Warner, Mi

offered this resolution, perhaps I ought from Kent, (Mr. M. O. WATKINS;) to o. Watkius, F.CWatkins, White. Williams, to say a word in justification of the strike out the word "ten," before the Yeomans and the President–44. vote I shall give.

words “ per cent of the assessed valThe question recurred upon the resort The PRESIDENT. The previous uation, and insert the word "five." lution,

question having been seconded, and Mr. LONGYEAR. I have already Mr. STOCKWELL. I call for the the main question having been ordered, made what remarks I desire to make.. yeas and nays upon the resolution. no debate is in order. The yeas and upon the amendment now pending. I

Mr. LOVELL. I desire before we nays upon this resolution have been had intended to make some remarks pass upon this resolutioni, to call the called for by the gentleman from Len- I to the committee upon the main quesattention of this Convention to the awee, (Mr. STOCKWELL.)

tion, the merits of the section involved fact that meeting here at three o'clock/ The yeas and nays were ordered in some of the amendments which have we have always and invariably ädal. The question was taken upon the been indicated by other members. I journed from five to half past five resolution, and it was agreed to; yeas had not intended to make those reo'clock. Now, if it is the desire of 44, nays: 43, as follows:

marks upon this amendment; and if members to sit here three hours in the YEAS-Messrs. Birney, Blackman, Burtch;

the vote can now be taken without afternoon, we can just as well sit until Burtepshaw, Chapman, Coolidge, Crocker. I further discussion, I will forbear give o'clock as to adiounin anrlar. Rint Duncan, Duncombe, Farmer, Harris, Hazen, whatever remarks I have to make until

. Henderson, Huston, Ingalls, Kenney, Lamb, the proper time and occasion shall are the fact is, that the Convention gets Leach, Longyear, Luce, McClelland, McCon- | wearied before the hour of six o'clock inell, McKernan Miller, Morton, Mussey, rive, 11 :1 shall see nt to make them at arrives and we adiourn because we Pratt, Pringle, Rafter, Shearer, T. G. Smith, all. I make this suggestion with the

USD We Stockwell, Sutherland, Thompson, Tyler, Van more confidence, because during the are exhausted. If we listen for two or Riper, Walker, P. D. Warner, M. C. Watkins, i three hours to the speeches which are F. C. Watkins White, Woodhouse, Yeomans: last few days discussion, this question

of the change from ten per cent. to five made here, and the most of us are and the President-44.

Nays--Messrs. Aldrich, Alexander, Andrus, listeners, we become so exhausted ner Barber, Bills, Bradley, "Brown, Case, Cha

per cent. has scarcely been alluded to vously, that we cannot continue it pin, Conger, Corbin, Daniells, Divine, El. by anyol

by any of those who have spoken; the

discussion has been upon the general Jonger with any profit to our under liott, Eştee, Ferris, Germain, Giddings, Hix.

son, Holmes, Holt, Howard, Lawrence, question. I hope, if there is no further standing, or with any comfort to our- Lothrop, Lovell, Miles, Musgrave, Ninde, selves. I think if we adopt this reso- Norris, Parsons, Richmond, Root, Sawyer,

per discussion to be had upon this question Tution we will merely change the time Sheldon, W. A. Smith, Stoughton, Van Val- of the change from ten per cent. to five at which our adjournment takes place / Withey, Williams and Wright-43.

kenburgh, W. E. Warner, Willard, Winsor, per cent., that the vote will be taken to an earlier hour in the afternoon. Il

now. If that can be done, I will for| Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH, when bear any further remarks at the present submit that, at this season of the year, the heat of the middle of the day is his name was called, said: I wish to say I time. much more unpleasant to be borne one word in explanation or may yote,

to be homme one word in explanation of my vote, The question was then taken upon than the heat at a little later hour. It test it should be thougat

Our It lest it should be thought I shrink from striking out “ten," and inserting “five;" is most surely much plenganter to sit my duties here. I think the energies and upon a division, ayes 31, noes 46. here between tħe hours of half past of the working men of this Conven- it was not agreed to... five and six o'clock than between half-| tion are sufficiently taxed by the time. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will past two and three o'clock..:

we now occupy in our sessions, and say in regard to the various amendAnother thing; we have the right, that nothing will be gained by length

Cocht that nothing will be gained by length- ments offered on Monday, by unaniand it is our duty to care somewhatening the sessions. 1 therefore vote mous consent, to be printed in the for our own health. Good digestion, 1“no."

: : : journal, that they will be held in abeyI apprehend, at least so the books and ... LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT. .... ance, and presented in their proper physicians tell us, is necessary to the Mr. ANDRUS. I move that the order...

to the order. The next amendment is the enjoyment of good health. Those who Convention now resolve itself into

one offered by the gentleman from engage in the kind of work that we committee of the whole on the general

Isabella, (Mr. ESTEE,) to insert, after have imposed upon us here, ought to order.

" the words “construction of any railhave good digestion, ought to have a The motion was agreed to.

road,” the words “plank roads, gravel little rest after dinner, and then we The Convention accordingly resolved

an roads, and turnpikes." shall come into the Convention with itself into committee of the whole, (Mr.

| Mr. ESTEE. I withdraw that oür stomachs in better condition, and PRINGLE in the chair,) and resumed the

amendment.. by reason thereof, with our brains consideration of the article entitled

The CHAIRMAN. There was anclearer. We shall save nothing by Legislative Department."

other amendment presented by the meeting at half-past two o'clock; we

gentleman from Van Buren, (Mr. shall, in the matter of health, comfort,

.: MUNICIPAL AID TO RAILROADS. BLACKMAN,) to insert, after the words and the ability to discharge faithfully. The CHAIRMAN. When the com- " construction of any railroad,” the our duties as delegates gain much býmittee roşe on yesterday, it had under words “ or other internal improvemeetino at three clock instead of half consideration section twenty-seven of ment;" and also to insert the same past two. At least, so it seems to me (this article, which had been amended words after the words “any and all and, therefore, I think the resolution to read as follows:

railroads." should not be adopted.

"The Legislature shall not authorize any The question was taken upon the Mr. HENDERSON. I call for the

city or townsbip to pledge its credit for the amendment of Mr Be

the amendment of Mr. BLACKMAN, and it | purpose of aiding in the construction of any previous question..

railroad to an extent whereby the outstand- was not agreed to... The call for the previous question ing indebtedness, exclusive of interest, on ac- The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman was seconded, there being ayes 52, a

count of aid to any and all railroads, shall ex-
ceed ten per cent of the assessed valuation of


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all after the words “construction of In my opinion, of all the gentlemen | ernment to lay taxes upon the people any railroad;" so that the section will / who have spoken upon this floor, the to assist in private enterprises, then read:

gentleman from Calhoun, (Mr. WIL- we say they fail altogether to establish "The Legislature shall not authorize any LARD,) has been the only one who has any such proposition, by analogy or city or townsbip to pledge its credit for the

dared to meet openly, and fairly, and otherwise. : *: purpose of aiding in the construction of any railroad."

squarely, the question at issue between Now, I ask the serious attention of .. :Mr. MILLER. In relation to that us. That question is not whether rail- | this committee to the state of the case. amendment, allow me to observe that roads are a blessing or not; the ques- If I understand it, it is this; companies I am in principle opposed to townships | tion is not whether it is for the best are organized within this State for the having anything to do with railroads, interests of the State to engage in purpose of building railroads. Now, or with voting aid to railroads, or hold-these schemes of public improvement. I those companies or corporations are ing stock in railroads. I made this But the question is this: Is it within local companies or corporations of motion as expressing my own views on the proper field and scope of taxation private individuals. They are asking that subject." I wish now to make one to lay a tax upon a man's prop- aid, not voluntary aid. To be sure other remark; it is this that if such erty against his will, in order to raise they go round with their agents, and benefits are supposed to result from funds to carry on the private busi- ask people to subscribe to their stock, townships engaging in the construction ness of other men ? That is the question. to assist them to build their road; and.. of railroads, then this section shoula Now, my friend from Calhoun walked that is all right and proper. But they be stricken out from this article manfully up to that question, and he are asking for aid in another way; they altogether. I do not know by insisted that it was within the func-l are asking that we shall elevate these what rule it is that members | tions of government to resort to tax- | private enterprises, these private corpoöf this Convention are to be satisfied / ation to aid private enterprises for the rations for the building of railroads, to with ten per cent. of these blessings, public benefits that would accrue from the dignity of other State proceedings, when by striking out the entire section them. And in support of that propo- | that we shall no longer treat them as we may possibly have a hundred per sition, he cited us to instances both private enterprises, but as public entercent of them. Now, if so many bene ancient and modern. But there was prises; that we shall no longer treat fits as is supposed would result from this great defect in the cases cited by the persons composing those cortownships engaging in the construction him, in their applicability to the ques- porations as private individuals, but as of railroads or other internal improve-tion under consideration; all these in- public individuals. In other words, ments, then I would be for having stances to which he referred were in- we are to do our “level best,” to use them go into the business with all the stances of public improvements carried the classical language of the gentleman means within their control. For, if on by the public. They were public from St. Clair, (Mr. CONGER,) to elevate you get a hundred per cent. of profit enterprises, not private enterprises at these private corporations to the same for your investment in these works, | all. That was the case in reference to dignity as corporations of the State, ... your property will be increased a hun-| the roads built during the period of and to treat them as such.. dred per cent., and you can go on ad | the Roman Empire, and other improve- Now, I ask gentlemen of this cominfiinitum, aiding railroads and other ments of a like character. Now, does mittee, if it is true, as a matimprovements, and prospering beyond the gentleman suppose that there is ter of fact, that these corporations anything this Convention can conceive any one on this floor who doubts the are strictly private corporations?

llegality or the propriety of the State They are legally so. and they are Mr. FERRIS. I suppose that the doing public business of that kind, so as a matter of fact. Whence amendment proposed by the gentleman such as building roads and bridges, this pretence that they should receive from Saginaw (Mr. MILLER,) opened etc.? No one on this floor doubts the aid of a public character the up this whole question upon its merits. proposition that it is within the func- medium of taxation? It is, in the I have not a great deal to say upon the tions of government to do such work. language of my friend from Ingham, question in view of the indication of That is government work, and the (Mr. LONGYEAR,) that great benefit the spirit of the majority here. But work when done is government prop-arises therefrom; that cities are built what I have to say I will say now. And erty.

up, and property doubled and trebled here, once for all, in behalf of myself

myself Mr. WILLARD. Will the gentle- in value by means thereof, and that and those gentlemen who entertain man yield to me for a moment?: the country is opened up and desimilar opinions with me upon this Mr. FERRIS. Certainly... veloped. Now, I ask, if the primary : question, I enter my solemn protest Mr. WILLARD. I desire to say object of these corporations is to open against the insinuations thrown out that I referred to those works, as the up the country to settlement, or to inyesterday by the gentleman from St. gentleman will remember, if he reflects creáse other men's. property in value? Clair, (Mr. CONGER,) that those of us for a moment, to show the benefits No such thing. It is to increase their who are opposed to the system of local conferred upon the people by all great own property; it is to build roads for taxation for building railroads are works of internal improvement. their own benefit; it is that after they. doing their level best" to prevent the Mr. FERRIS. I understood the have got this property into their hands, improvement of this State. I want gentleman also to refer to those works these lines of road established, they that gentleman, and others situated as going to show that taxation for the may charge rates of fare and rates of like him, and entertaining the same building of railroads and other roads, freight, and make it a paying business. views, to understand, that we are acting was within the scope of the powers of That is their object. I admit that conscientiously for the best interest of the government, and could be properly whenever one of these roads the State as we regard it. And we do exercised by the government. So far is built the public do reap adnot propose to stand here and be con- as those instances were referred to as vantages. They reap these advantages .

gi demned by him, or any other man, illustrations of the benefits which re- in the facility of intercommunication; because we differ in opinion from him, sult from great public works, all of us they can pass readily over these roads as to what is the best policy to be pur- of course agree with the gentleman. in person; they can send their goods sued for the development of the State, But so far as they were referred to as over them. The public does reap a and for the promotion of its good. evidence of power existing in the govo) benefit in that way; and it reaps the



those of us recentleman will rememose works, the rest object of the more I ask, if the periode

ember, if he reflects up the country corporations is to op improvement level bestto proads are worksheed upon the people the benefits Noise other men's Settlement, or

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