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the beginning down have operated county, or the counties comprising his dis may be attached thereto, shall be enwell, and had no fault found with them. I trict, shall be

: Itrict, shall be deemed a vacation of his ofiice." |titled to a separate representative when Tam onnosed to amending and change Mr. CONGER. I would ask the it has attained a population equal to a ing principles and laws, just for the gentleman from Monroe, (Mr. MORTON,)| moiety of the ratio of representation.” sake of some little party gain, because who is also a member of the committee I offer this amendment in order to I consider it wrong in principle. 'that reported this article, if he does | test the sense of this Convention upon

We should not undertake to change not recollect that there is a provision this subject. The change made in this the excellent laws which were enacted exactly similar to that which he has section by the committee that reported by our fathers., : We have been too offered in another section ?

this article will, if adopted by the Conversatile and changeable in the State Mr. MORTON. If that is so, then I vention, deprive some half dozen counof Michigan. We can hardly let a law withdraw my amendment. But I ties in the northern part of this State stand upon the statute book until it wanted to allow the citizens of Detroit of the representation in the Legislature gets dry. When there is a good law to go out of their district, to select a which they now enjoy. I was in hopes. We should let it stand. I have sometimes candidate from some other district, if that this matter would be left just almost wished that old Solon would they did not want to elect one from where it was in the old Constitution. I come to life again and make some laws their own district.

believe that all sections and all parties that would stand for ages. We have Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH. I were well satisfied with it. It has been so varying in making laws that move to amend this section, by striking worked well in those new counties, and the people do not understand now out the words, “persons of Indian secured in the Legislature a separate what the laws are in Micbigan. Even descent not members of any tribe," and representation of their interests, which those who do understand something inserting in lieu thereof, “all male In- they certainly need, if any section of about them, have to burn a great deal dians twenty-one years of age, natives the State needs it. I hope that my of midnight oil to find out what the of the United States." . :: amendment will be adopted. law is, and what it was last year. Every Mr. CONGER. I would ask the Mr. MUSSEY. I would ask the genlav that has been of any utility to the gentleman from Oakland, Mr. VAN-tleman from Huron, (Mr. WINSOR,) if people, has usually been carved and VALKENBURGH,) to withdraw his amend-This amendmen cut up, until even the Supreme Court ment, and allow that subject to be con- will not create a difficulty ? This secof the State have been at a loss to sidered by the Convention in connec

tion provides that the house of repremake out what the law is. I am ation with the article entitled “Elec-sentatives shall consist of one hun farmer and no lawyer; but I believe the tions." If the section of that article in members. The law as it now st good judgment of the State of Michi- relation to that subject is adopted, as and as it will probably continue if can finds fault with this cutting up of reported from the committee, then it this section should be allowed to regood laws. And this proposition now would be necessary to amend this sec- main as it is, provides for one hundred to cut up Detroit into single represent-tion. But perhaps it would not be members. If this amendment prevails ative districts, and bring antagonistic well to discuss this subject in connec-1 I can hardly see how it can be carried interests into operation so as to defeat tion with both this article and the out, without increasing the number of the true sense of the people in the se-other. I have no choice about it my-representatives to more than one hanlection of their representatives to the self, other than the suggestion I would dred. We already have the full numLegislature, is altogether wrong. I make, that it might save time. If the ber which this section allows. New am in favor of the amendment, and proposition in the article on elections counties will be very likely to be organhope it will prevail..

is adopted, then this section can be ized from year to year and from time The question recurred upon the made to correspond with it.

to time. Under the proposed amendamendment of Mr. MCCLELLAND, to in- Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH. Ilment sert after the words “shall consist of have no objection to complying with rate representation; while the Consticonvenient and contiguous territory," the suggestion of my friend from St. tution itself only provides for a new the following:

: Clair, (Mr. CONGER.) I offer this apportionment once in five years. It "But no township or city shall be divided amendment in order that this section seems to me that it is not expedient to in the formation of a représentative district. might be made to conform with the adopt the amendment. When any township or city shall contain a larticle reported by the committee on Mr. WINSOR. I believe the same population which entitles it to more than one représentative, then such township or city elections. I will, however, withdraw state of things has existed in the past: shall elezt by general ticket the number of my amendment for the present. .. I allowing a new county organized in the representatives to which it is entitled.”. Mr. LOVELL. I have hardly any northern part of the State, having a

The amendment was not agreed to, occasion to say anything 'now, as the moiety of the ratio of representation, to upon a division, ayes 15, noes not amendment of the gentleman from have one representative. That is done counted.

Oakland, (Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH,) has simply by taking one representative : Mr. MORTON. I move to amend | been withdrawn. I intended to - say from some county in the southern part by inserting after the close of the third that if his proposition was pressed up of the State, which had the smallest sentence the following: .. on us, I should have to include all the fraction of the ratio of representation..

Mr.MUSSEY. I beg to differ district in the State, may elect a representative to the Legislature, residing in any other

would just as lief have white foreign- entirely with the gentleman. The district of the same county."

ers voting in this State as red foreign- Constitution provided that the House Mr. P. D. WARNER. If the gentle- ers..

of Representatives should not consist man will turn to the fifth section he Mr. WINSOR. I move to amend of more than one hundred members. will find this proposition is covered by this section by adding to it the provis- The first House under that Constitution, i that section entirely. That section ion which is contained in the present I think, consisted of sixty-four or sixtyprovides that

Constitution, and which affects a great six members; but the number was "Every Senator and Representative shall many counties in the northern part of increased from time to time, until 1861, be a citizen of the United Statss, and a qual- the State, as follows: - Provided, That when the full number of one hundred ified elector of some county embraced in the

the each organized county or counties here- members was reached. It was underdistrict he represents, or of which said district shall be a part. A removal from his after organized, with such territory as stood at that time, that this provision,

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which the gentleman from Huron, (Mr. that time the full number one hundred tion, in its present shape, deprive a
WINSOR,) now seeks to have inserted in was apportioned throughout the State number of the northern counties of the
the new Constitution, must remain in the rearrangement of the districts. representation they now enjoy, and
inoperative until there was another The question now before the committee force the Legislature in a new appor-
apportionment, or until the Constitu- is in effect, whether there shall be an tionment to unite, in some cases, two
tion was amended. If there has ever increase of the number of representa- of, those counties to form one repre-
occurred such an instance as the gen- tives over one hundred. At the pres- sentative district ?
tleman states, of taking a representative ent time, the House of Representatives Mr. CONGER. That might be so;
from an old county in order to give to is composed of one hundred members; I think it is so now..
a new county, it has never come to my and the committee on the legislative Mr. WINSOR. It is not so under
knowledge; at all events, I do not department have reported a provision the moiety clause of the present Con-
recollect it at present. Besides, I think limiting the number to one hundred. stitution. .
it would be very impracticable indeed,. The subject was examined pretty Mr. CONGER. Yes, sir; the coun-
after the Legislature has provided for carefully by the committee. I would ties of Iosco, Midland, Isabella and
a new apportionment of representatives ask gentlemen, in forming their opinion Alpena have but one. representative.
and has assigned them to the several. about the propriety of such a provision, Mr. WINSOR. Those are not
counties, disposing of the entire num- to look at the population of the present moiety counties, I believe. I drafted
ber of which the House of Representa- representative districts, as set forth in that bill myself.:
tives shall consist, to give a member to the Manual. It will be seen, by refer- Mr. GIDDINGS. Would not this

some new locality, and take one from ence to the Manual, that by the appor- whole difficulty be obviated by fixing :: some county to which it has already, tionment at present existing, every new the number at eighty or ninety as the

been assigned. I think the provision county in the State is provided with a minimum, and at one hundred as the
in the old Constitution was equitable representation far in excess of its actual maximum ? Would we not then have
and just; but as the matter now stands, population. I understand that the room for the adjustment of these mat-

I could not vote for his amendment. motive which influenced the Legisla-ters suggested by the gentleman from
: Mr. WINSOR. I do not like to take ture in this apportionment was that Huron?
up the time of the committee, but I these new counties were growing faster Mr. CONGER. I would say in
desire to make a word or two of expla- than the others that they were settling answer to that, that this is a matter
nation. I think the gentleman from more rapidly--and although at the entirely for the committee of the whole.
· Macomb, (Mr. MUSSEY,) is mistaken in commencement of the apportionment The number proposed by the commit-
regard to the working of the old law. their representation might be in excess tee, one hundred, is what seemed best
Under this article of the Constitution, of that given to the older portions to them. That is a matter about which
it is true, as he says, that in 1861, the of the State, yet by the time another I am not tenacious. The committee
number of the members in the House apportionment was made, they would after some deliberation concluded that
of Representatives was raised to one have a population equal to, and per- the number, one hundred, was the
hundred. It is also true, however, haps exceeding the population of the best, though some of them thought the
that after that time, there was an ap- older counties. If that be so, then number should be larger, and one or
portionment of representatives; and there would be no injustice to the new two thought it should be smaller. As

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ty in the upper part of the Lower Pen- ment here proposed. If the same representatives to be fixed in the Con- :
insula gained a representative by the liberality prevails in the Legislature stitution is not the question at this
operation of this provision of the Con- hereafter as heretofore, I think every time, I do not propose to speak upon it.
stitution, and the county of Calhoun new portion of the State will have a The question was then taken upon ..
lost one. I think there will be no dif- représentation far in excess of its the amendment of Mr. WINSOR, and it
ficulty in making that apportionment. population at the time any apportion- was not agreed to...
I do not apprehend that in any case, ment is made.

No further amendment was offered
a county would obtain a representa- In limiting the number of represen- to this section.
tive until an apportionment had been tatives to one hundred, the whole mat- ENUMERATION AND APPORTIONMENT.
made by the Legislature. I think the ter was left to the Legislature, with the The next section was read as follows:
representative contemplated in this restriction that “each representative SECTION 4. The Legislature shall provide by
section would depend upon the appor- district shall contain as nearly as may | law for an enumeration of the inhabitants in
tionment made by the Legislature be an equal number of inhabitants."

the year eighteen hundred and seventy-five,

We and every ten years thereafter; and at the every five years. ;

The phrase "as near as may be,” was first session after each enumeration so made, Mr. CONGER. I will explain the inserted in order to give the Legisla- and also at the first session after each opureason, for leaving out the provision of ture power to provide for the newer

meration by the authority of the United

States, the Legislature shall re-arrange the the present Constitution just now portions of the State, a larger repre Senate districts, and apportion anew the Repmoved. Section three, article four, ofsentation for their present population resentatives among the counties and districts, the present Constitution, provides that than they would otherwise have. I

ir tout according to the number of inhabitants, in

cluding civilized persons of Indian descent, «the House of Representatives shall think that unless the number of rep- not members of any tribe. But no re-arrangeconsist of not less than sixty-four, nor resentatives is to be increased, the ment of Senate districts, shall vacate the seat more than one hundred members.” amendment to this section proposed

nosed of any Senator. Each apportionment, and Under that Constitution the House of by my friend from Huron, (Mr. WIN- any board of supervisors, shall remain unal.

the division into representative districts by Representatives commenced with con- SOR,) is impracticable, and inasmuch tered until the return of another enumeration. siderable less than one hundred repre- as the northern counties are so well · Mr. BLACKMAM. I would like to sentatives under the first apportion provided for now, I think the amend ask the chairman of the committee, ment. It gradually increased in nüm- ment is unnecessary.

(Mr. CONGRR,) what was the reason for ber, until in 1861 there were one hun- Mr. WINSOR. Will the gentleman changing the year in which this dred members; before that time there allow me to ask him one question ? enumeration shall take place, from the . had never been one hundred members. Mr. CONGER. Yes sir.

year mentioned in the present con- .. in the House of Representatives. At Mr. WINSOR. Would not this sec stitution ?

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Mr. CONGER. The enumeration Legislature shall not create an office force in the reasons assigned by the as taken now in reference to the enu- for themselves, or increase the emolu- mover of this amendment, for the meration by the United States authori- ments of any office for the sake of being amendment. It seems very plain that ties makes the aportionment of the State elected to it. But if the board of su- no person should be disqualified from for the term of four years in one case and pervisors, for instance, should increase holding an office merely because some six years in the other. It was thought the emoluments of some small office, other authority besides that of the desirable that the interim between the this section as it now stands would Legislature had increased the emolutwo enumerations should be equal.. I prevent a person, holding a seat in the ments of that office. I think the know of no reason for the change oth- Legislature at the time the emoluments amendment proposed will remove any er than that. The reason why the enu- were increased, from being elected at ambiguity, or difficulty in reference to meration before was made in the any time thereafter to such an office. the matter, and make it more correct. even year was, as I understand it, to Being a member of the Legislature my-/ provided that is the intention of this privide at that time for an immediate self, I feel a little delicacy in speaking section. apportionment and an immediate ses- | upon this subject. I do not think! The amendment of Mr. WILLARD sion of the Legislature.

I that the members of the present Leg-1 was agreed to. Mr. BLACKMAN. If we elect our islature, or the members of any Legis-/ Mr. MCCLELLAND. I desire to members of the House of Representa- lature which might be in existence at ask the gentleman from St. Clair, (Mr. tive for two years, will not the arrange-| the time of the formation of a Consti- | CONGER. if the committee on the leg. ment of the districts in the odd year./tution, should be rendered ineligible to lislative department have embraced in sometimes produce a clashing in the any office, the emoluments of which any portion of this article, the part of apportionment of members ?

might be increased by the new Consti- the section in the old Constitution Mr. CONGER. This section pro-| tution. I desire to say to the committee, which relates to members of the vides that the enumeration shall be in of the whole, that I am not myself | Legislature receiving certain appoint1875, and every ten years thereafter. expecting any such office; but there ments? I refer to section eighteen of The section provides that the appor- might be members of the present Leg- the article on the legislative departe tionment shall be made at the first ses-islature whom the people might desire ment in the present Constitution; more sion of the Legislature after the enu- to elect to some State office, the emolumeration.

ments of which will be increased by las follows: Mr. BLACKMAN. My question is this Constitution during the term of

"No person elected a member of the. Leg. this: If the apportionment is made at those members. I hardly can think islature shall receive any civil appointment the end of the first year of the term of that it was the intention of the com- within this State, or to the Senate of the Uni

ted States, from the Governor, the Governor a representative, and not at the end of mittee on the legislative department,

and Senate, from the Legislature, or any the term, would it not displace some to exclude members of the Legislature other State authority, during the term for members already elected for the exist- in such cases. I can see a reason which he is elected. All such appointments, ing term ? I have not looked at this why a member of the Legislature

and all votes given for any person so elected

for any such office and appointment, shall be . matter very closely in order to see how should be excluded from an office which void." that would be.

was created by the Legislature of which I would inquire if there is anything Mr. CONGER. The re-arrangement | he was a member, or the emoluments of of that kind in this article? of the districts would not affect the which were increased by that Legisla- Mr. CONGER. I think not. seat of any member then elected; for ture; I caņ see why he should not! Mr. MCCLELLAND. Then I move this section provides that no apportion- himself have a part in the creation of fo amend this section by adding to it ment shall affect the seat of any Sen- an office, or in increasing the emolu- the following: ator. This article also provides for ments of an office, which he himself was . No person elected a member of the Lega biennial sessions. If that is changed, to occupy.

islature, shall receive any civil appointment then there may be need for some change Mr. CONGER. It seems to me that

within this State, or to the Senate of the Uni

ted States, from the Governor, the Governor in this section.

la reasonable construction of the latter and Senate, from the Legislature, or any No amendment was offered to the clause of this section would refer en- other State authority, during the term for

which he is elected. All such appointments, section.

tirely to offices affected by the action

acuon and all votes given for any person so elected QUALIFICATIONS OF MEMBERS OF THE LEG- of the Legislature. There can hardly

I of the Legislature. There can hardly for any such office and appointment, sball.be
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it does refer to that.

| This question was fully discussed a The next section was read as follows:

| This provision may be somewhat few days ago, when the committee had SECTION 5. Every Senator and Representa

deficient in grammatical construction; under consideration the article on the tive shall be a citizen of the United States, and a qualified elector of some county embra- I have not paid particular attention to executive department; and, therefore, ced in the district he represents, or of which it in that respect. I think the last I have very little to say about it said district shall be a part. A removal from

sentences of this section must be con- now. My own impression is that: his county, or the counties comprising his district, shall be deemed a vacation of his strued together. If so, it would mean if we exclude the Governor of the office. No Senator or Representative shall, that no senator or representative shall, State, I certainly would exclude during the time for which he may have been during the time for which he was the members of thä elected, be eligible to any office, which shalluita have been created, or the emoluments of which elected, be eligible to any office created I have seen the same difficulty shall have been increased during such term; by any law passed during that term, or arise in this matter, in connection with nor shall he be interested, directly or indi-the emolumentio of which chauhavale member of the Level

the emoluments of which shall have a member of the Legislature, that I rectly, iu any contract with the State, or any county thereof, authorized by any law passed been increased by any law passed dur- have in connection with the Governor. during said term.

ing such term. It is possible the lan- I think this provision of the ConstituMr. WILLARD. I move to amend/guage may need some correction. I tion of 1850 has been very salutary in this section by inserting after the words think, however, that the court would its effects, clipping the wings of some “the emoluments of which shall have hardly construe it to apply to any very ambitious gentlemen in the Legisbeen increased,” the words “by the office not affected by the action of the lature. I am, therefore, disposed to Legislature." I suppose the object of Legislature: : :

insist upon it in the Constitution we this provision is that members of the Mr. BLACKMAN. I think there is are now framing.

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Mr. CROSWELL. I move to think that in the Convention of 1850, Mr. PRINGLE reported that the amend the amendment of the gentle- there was any member influenced by committee of the whole, pursuant to man from Wayne, (Mr. MoCLELLAND,) any motive, such as those which the the order of the Convention, had had by inserting after the words “Gover- gentleman is pleased to ascribe to under consideration the article entitled nor and Senate," the words “except them. That Convention was composed Bill of Rights;" had made sundry notary public;" so that a member of of gentlemen entitled to equal respect amendments therein, which he had the Legislature may at least receive at least, with the members of this con- been directed to report to the Conventhe appointment of notary pubtic... vention. I do not now recollect who tion and recommend that they be con

Mr. MCCLELLAND. I have no was the mover of this clause in that curred in, and that the committee of objection to that; but I would rather Constitution; perhaps the gentleman the whole be discharged from the furhave the voto taken upon it.

from Oakland, (Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH,) ther consideration of the article... The question was then taken upon could tell better than I can. But I The report was received, and the the amendment of Mr. CROSWELL to am confident it was put in the Consti- committee of the whole discharged, the amendment of Mr. MCCLELLAND, tution from the best and purest mo-accordingly..... and it was agreed to.

tives, in order to avoid corruption in Mr. PRINGLE also reported that The question was upon the amend- the Legislature. I have myself seen the committee of the whole, pursuant ment as amended.

a great deal of difficulty in this Ştate to the order of the Convention, had Mr. CONGER. I would be glad to arise from contentions on account of had under consideration the article enhave the gentleman from Wayne, (Mr. these different offices. If the gentle-| tịtled “Legislative Department;" had MCCLELLAND, ) or any other gentleman man will consult the history of other made some progress therein, and had of this Convention give any reason States of this Union, he will find that directed him to ask leave for the comwhy this clause should be placed in the an immense amount of trouble has mittee to sit again. Constitution, or why a person elected a been caused in legislative bodies, at Leave was accordingly granted. member of the Legislature might not one time and another, from this very | Mr. LOVELL. I move that the Conreceive some civil appointment in this cause. He must recollect the difficul- | vention now take a recess. . . State: whü he might not. if the choice ties that have occurred in the State of The motion was agreed to; and acof the Legislature of this State, be | New York, of which State I believo hecordingly (&t twenty minutes past 12 elected to the Senate of the United is a native. He certainly must know o'clock, P. m.,) the Convention took States; why he might not receive any the history of the election of several a recess until 3 o'clock p. m. civil appointment that the will of the gentlemen there which induced, as I people expressed through their répre-| believe I may be mistaken in this sentatives might desire to bestow upon matter, but I think I am correct--the him. I would like to have some gen- Convention of the State of New York tleman give a sufficient reason why, to put such a provision as this in their AFTERNOON SESSION. because a man has accepted the nomi- | Constitution.

.:The Convention ré-assembled at 3. nation and been elected by his constit : In this State, under the Constitution,

on lo'clock p. m., and was called to order uents as a fit man to represent them in of 1835, even after a caucus had nomi- ñ

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ho should I inated one of the members of the Leg-1

by the PRESIDENT. the Legislature of this State, he should inated one of the members of the Leg

The roll was called, and a quorum not receive any other civil appointment islature for election to the Senate of the

answered to their names. which the people of this State might see United States, many of the members of

.: BILL OF RIGHTS. upon him. To me it has the party making that nomination, The Convention proceeded to the always seemed that this provision in disagreed with the action of their party

their party consideration of the article entitled the present Constitution was the resült caucus, on the ground that according Bill of some spirit of rivalry, or jealousy, to the Constitution of 1835, they had no

1o The question was on concurring in or meanness, on the part of some right to elect a member of the Legisla-|

the amendment made by the committee members of the old Convention, who ture to such an office. This matter

of the whole. mebody might receive an was discussed the other day in regard Mr. WILLARD. I desre to state to appointment of some kind, even as to the Executive. I think the same

the Convention that I heard the chairnotary public, while he was a member reasons can be assigned for this pro

:l reasons can be assigned to this pro- man of the committee who reported this of the Legislature. I never yet have vision here, that were assigned for the

article to the Convention, (Mr. PRATT,) heard, and have carefully endeavored similar provision in the article on Ex

say that he regretted very much he was to ascertain, any reason why this ecutive Department. It is to keep

not here at the time the article was conshould be done. I have never yet been corruption and everything of the kind,

sidered. As he is absent to-day, I move able to find any satisfactory reason out of the Legislature. Gentlemen

that it be laid upon the table for the why a man, who was worthy of a seat may say that it is impossible that such

present. in the Legislature, might not receive an things should take place; grant that it

The motion to lay upon the table was appointment from the proper authori- is impossible; notwithstanding that, it la

agreed to. some other office. I have never been possibly can around the purity of the LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT.. able to understand why a ban should Legislature...

Mr. P. D. WARNER. I move that be put upon him for any other office in

office inl Mr. BURTCH. I move that the the Convention now resolve itself into

Mr. BURTCH. I move that th the State. If there can be any good committee rise, report progress, and committee of the whole on the general reason adduced why it should be done, ask leave to sit again. I want to say lordar. then I will join cheerfully with the a word or two on this subject beforo it! The motion was agreed to. mover of this amendment in support is brought to a vote.

The Convention accordingly resolved of it. If no good reason can be as-1. The motion that the committee now itself into commit: signed for it, then I desire to see that rise, was agreed to.

PRINGLE in the Chair,) and resumed the old jealous clause of our Constitution. The committee accordingly rose; and consideration of the general order, ; kept out of our new one.

.the PRESIDENT having resumed the boing the article entitled “Legislative Mr. MOCLELLAND. I do not Chair,

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Legislature are liable by their associa is really serious, he, as President of

tions to be influenced in their action in the Convention, should have selected a mittee rose this morning it had under this respect, it seems to me that the different place for this restriction; he consideration section five of this arti. action of the Legislature might be should have proposed it in the article cle, 'amended to read as follows:

equally influenced by members of Con-on State officers, for it does not prop" Every Senator and Representative shall

gress, and by State officers. If mem-erly come in here under the head of

ON be a citizen of the United States, and a qual-bers of the Legislature should not have Legislative Department. This restricified elector of some county embraced in the this privilege of being elected or ap- tion which he has proposed should district he represents, or of which said dis-l pointed to any of

dis: | pointed to any office, by reason of their have beeu put either in the article on trict shall be a part. A removal from his county, or the counties comprising his dis- | influence, then it seems to me that State officers, or, as a restriction upon trict, shall be deemed a vacation of his office. members of Congress and State officers, the executive, in the article on the No Senator or Representative shall, during I should not have the privilege by exer:Tractitive Denartiment. the time for which he may have been elected, be elegible to any office which shall havé cising a similar which shall have cising a similar influence, of being

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Mr. MORTON. I hope that all these been created, or the emoluments of which elected to these important positions. amendments will be defeated. Not shall have been increased by the Legislature Take a member of Congress, for in-| that I am not willing to see the Legisduring such term; nor shall he be interested, directly or indirectly, in any contract with | Suance;. u

act with stance; he may come here with his lature restricted by proper rules; but

wa the State, or any county thereof, authorized subordinates, and it would be almost I think this distrust of men, this sayby any law passed during said term.” impossible for the Legislature to re- ing that they cannot be trusted with.

To this section the gentleman from sist the influence he could bring to power, without abusing it, is one Wayne (Mr. MOCLELLAND) moved an bear, because of his control (for at least great reason why that power is abused. amendment, to add the following: heretofore members of Congress have The people of the State have now been

"No person elected a member of the Legal had control) of the federal appoint- educated to think that every Legisla-
islature shall receive any civil appointment ments in the district which he repre- ture must be a corrupt set of knaves.
within this State, or to the Senate of the sents. He could bring his postmasters, I think these restrictions have a bad
United States, from the Governor, the Gov.
ernor and Senate, from the Legislature or any and collectors, and assesso

and collectors, and assessors, and their effect upon public men. I do not not
other State authority, during the time for deputy collectors and deputy asses- think the Legislature of Michigan de-
which he is elected. All such appointments, I sors, and they would have an influence serves to have such an opinion enter-
and all votes given for any person so elected
for any such office and appointment, shall be

all be that would perhaps be almost omnipo- tained of them by their constituents. void."

tent, if we are to assume, which I do not This distrust of men as being dishonPending which, the gentleman from believe, that the Legislature will be con- est, in my opinion, is well calculated Lenawee (Mr. CROSWELL) moved to trolled by influences of that character. to make them so. I take it for granted, amend the amendment by inserting, It was said upon this floor the other that if representatives and senators do after the words “Governor and Sen- day that the auditor general controlled that which is wrong in the Legislature, ate," the words “except notary pub- a large portion of the press of the the people are as much at fault as they lic;" which amendment was adopted. State. If that is the case, he are, and are as corrupt as they are in The pending question is upon the certainly should not have the privilege sending them here. It is public amendment as amended. :.:of being elected to the United States opinion that must correct this abusé. · Mr. CROSWELL. I move to amend Senate, or of receiving any appoint- When men have betrayed the trust the amendment by inserting, after the ment, beside that of auditor general, confided to them, they should be made words “during the time for which he during the term for which he was to feel the weight of public indignais elected," the words “nor shall any elected. We have heard it said in this tion; that is the only remedy for that member of Congress, or State officer, country that a man should not be evil. receive such appointment.”.

elected to an office for a second term. What does this idea of tying up the Mr. MOCLELLAND. I desire to By the adoption of the amendment to Legislature méan? It can mean nothgive notice that if that amendment the amendment, perhaps we should se- ing else than that men are not fit for prevails, I shall move to insert, after cure hereafter rotation in office; for I ap- self-government. I think we should the words “member of Congress,” in prehend that then no member of Con- take a different view of the matter. I order to oblige certain gentlemen on gress, or at any rate no Senator in the do not think the Legislature of Mich-;. this floor, the words “especially Sena- United States Senate, could be elected igan deserves such treatment at our tors Chandler and Howard, and Rep- for a second term. W should, per- hands. I think that in the State of resentatives Beaman, Driggs, Up- haps, all have a chance of some time New York, it could not be questioned son, Ferry, Trowbridge, and Blair." becoming Senators in the United that some legislators have proved (Laughter.]

States Senate, if my amendment, and corrupt, if they have received bribes. Mr. LONGYEAR. I suppose that the amendment of the gentleman If we ever get to that condition in this the gentleman from Wayne does not from Wayne, SO amended, be State, I hope there will be a remedy intend to include any ex-members of adopted.

..... provided for it, and that the penitenCongress. Laughter.] : .. Mr. MOCLELLAND. I did not tiary will be used for the accommoda

The question was on the amendment know, and I should not have credited tion of those men. But at the present of Mr. CROSWELL to the amendment of for a moment, that we had anything to time I do not think it is right to place Mr. MCCLELLAND. I :: do with members of Congress, had it such restrictions as these upon them." . Mr. CROSWELL. I desire to say not been asserted, as it has been by the Mr. BLACKMAN. I did not expect in this connection, that I do not offer President of this Convention. It is to say anything on this question, one this amendment because I am in favor something new to me. That is all I way or another. I rise now simply to of it; I offer it to be adopted only in have to say in regard to that matter. ask if some one can enlighten me a the event that the amendment offered I know their power and I know their little on one point. I desire to inquire by the gentleman from Wayne, (Mr. influence. I know that that power and whether there is not as much advan- . MCCLELLAND,) shall prevail. If his influence have been felt in the body tage in this restriction, so far as a reamendment prevails, then I certainly that preceded this body here in this striction is contained in the amendshall be in favor of amending it as I hall. In regard to State officers, I ment offered by the gentleman from

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