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that there is any particular necessity of the Legislature shall be requisite to character of the provisions of this seco for that clause in order to cover the every bill appropriating the public tion, so as to allow such a thing to be ground that I desire to cover. It is money or property for local or private done; but, on the contrary, to make it possible that it will be regarded as al- purposes." I agree with the gentleman still stronger to make a thing which ready included under the words, “ for from Hillsdale, (Mr. PŘATT,) that there is certain still more certain. I conthe benefit of any religious sect or so- is no propriety in our tying up the ceive this to be quite certain as it is. ciety." I know, however, that hereto- hands of future Legislatures against It is, I believe, an exact copy of section fore there has been some difficulty on the appropriation of money or property forty of the article on the legislative that very point, and I thought that under any circumstances whatever for department in the present Constitu-, perhaps the insertion of the words I the use of those institutions of learning tion. Under that section there has . have proposed would preclude any con- which have been planted in our midst by been, I believe, no money appropriated troversy of that kind hereafter. I pre- the different denominations. It is well for the last ten or twelve years, or .. sent my amendment. for the purpose known that something like two million more; no attempt has been made to of obtaining the views of members dollars' worth of property has been col- make an appropriation from the treas.

lected by the different denominations ury for any such purpose. There Mr. PRATT. I hope the amendment of this State, and devoted to the vari- might have been an effort made to ap

proposed by the gentleman from Kala- ous institutions under their control. propriate lands; I think there has ...mazoo, (Mr. BRADLEY,) will not be They are doing more at the pres- been, but it was not successful. I am

adopted.'. I have had no intimation ent time for the higher branches of satisfied with the section just as it that any amendment of that kind was education than any institutions that stands." I think it is as strong and to be moved in this Convention. I have been established by the State. I close as we can make it. Therefore, I think this section goes quite far enough I do not say that were I in the Legisla-should hardly be willing to make it in that direction. I do not propose to ture at the present time, and the ques- stronger than it is at present. I do .. enter into any discussion with regard tion of appropriating money for these not see any necessity for the amend

ose not to mes kinderany cappropriation of It

Convention. I know, however, that it for it. But I can see no reason whyl Mr. BRADLEY. I did not fully. is the policy of some States to divide we should tie up the hands of future understand that there was any necestheir educational fund among the Legislatures. under all circumstances, sity for the amendment. I offered it. * various institutions of learning pro rata, against - making any appropriation or I threw it in, rather for the purpose according to the number of students in whatever to these institutions. I ap- of calling out an interpretation of thisthose institutions. It may, perhaps, at prehend that if this amendment should section. If the section shall receive some time be deemed wise to do so in pass, it would preclude that which has the interpretation given to it by the this State. At all events I am not willing been a favorite project with some of gentleman who has just taken his seat, that the Legislature should be so tie, Jour educational men for many years I am fully satisfied with it. I sup- ' up that they would be prohibited for past; the establishment of a normal de- posed that was the just, full, legal inall time to come from making any ap- partment in the different schools in the tent of the section as it stands, and as: propriations for any institution of State. I see no reason why we might it was reported by the committee. learning under denominational control. I not have a normal department at But lest there should be any other It is well known that all our institu- | Hillsdale, Albion, Kalamazoo and Oli- view taken of it, I shall be inclined to tions of learning, or nearly all, are un- vet, for the education of teachers. In- make the amendment I have offered. der the control of particular denomi- asmuch as these institutions are doing If that has been the interpretation of nations. I am unwilling that we shall so much for higher education in our the section as it stands in the present place ourselves upon record as prohib- State, I see no reason why we should Constitution, by the people, by the iting the Legislature from doing any-withhold from them that assistance Legislature, and by the courts, then I: thing to foster, build up, or promote which we could indirectly give, by should prefer to withdraw my amend- ; . those institutions. I am not asking making appropriations for the educa- ment and let it stand as it is. But if this Convention at this time to provide tion of teachers in this State. I think that is not the view which has been for appropriations to be made for the we should pause before we take this taken of it heretofore, I want to make benefit of those institutions of learning, step. The Constitutional Convention it certain on the very point which has But when it is well known that the of 1850, which was sufficiently close in been discussed. principal educational institutions of such matters, did not go so far as is Mr. MCCLELLAND. I approve of this State, with the exception of the now proposed, and why should we ? the amendment which has been offered. University, are under the management With all due deference to the mover I am fearful, from what has been said of denominations, I am opposed to of this amendment, I hope it will not here, that there is a disposition to having the Legislature trammeled, or prevail. :

divide the common school fund of this so tied up that no appropriation for Mr. MUSSEY. I would like to ask State, and the University fund also. I those institutions can ever be made by the gentleman from Calhoun (Mr. think the construction proposed by this . them. I very much doubt the pro- WLLARD) if he does not understand amendment should have been put upon priety of giving to the University the this section, as it now stands, without this section. I can see no objection at monopoly of the education of this state. the amendment offered by the gentle- all to the amendment of the gentleman : But that is a very important question, man from Kalamazoo, (Mr. BRADLEY,) from Kalamazoo, (Mr. BRADLEY.) I and one which I am not now prepared to prohibit utterly and entirely the ap- heartily approve of it, because I want " to discuss. All I ask of the Convention propriation of any money for the class to protect these two educational funds is not to adopt the amendment proposed of schools or institutions of learning to for the benefit of the people of this by the gentleman from Kalamazoo. which he has alluded? If he does not, State, beyond any other fund which we

Mr. WILLARD. It seems to me I will say that I do. I am in favor of have. I shall, therefore, vote for the we have a sufficient safeguard in sec- the section just as it stands. I do not amendment. tion twenty-one of this article, which understand the gentleman from. Kala- Mr. WILLARD. I think the section provides that “the assent of two-thirds mazoo, (Mr. BRADLEY,) who offered in the present Constitution sufficiently . of the members elected to each House this amendment, to wish to change the confines those funds to the specific pur- .

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pose for which they have been created. which has been considerable towards us a religious school, it is a literary ... We say, in section two of the article on in this state in the way of public lands, school...

education as it now stands, and I pre- should make still further appropria Mr. MUSSEY. If there be any ques

sume it will not be materially changed tions of lands for schools by name in tion in regard to whether these institu, by this Convention, that_ ... the State of Michigan. The section of tions are not, excluded from receiving

corrihe proceeds from the sale of all lands the present Constitution which the appropriations from the Legislature, that have been or hereafter may be granted gentleman from Calhoun, Mr. WIL- then I am in favor of the amendment. by the United States to the State for educa- LARD) read, certainly would not avail But I apprehend they are; I have no tional purposes, and the proceeds of all lands 1 or other property given by individuals, or ap, propriated by the State, for like purposes which we would desire power in the much from the Legislature under the shall be and remain a perpetual fund, the in- Legislature to grant such lands," after present Constitution. I know this; I terest and income of which, together with the rents of all land that may remain unsold, 1

la they had been granted to the State for know that applications have been made shall be inviolably appropriated; and annu. the purpose of schools, to these schools, by these various institutions to the ally applied to the specific objects of the orig- which are collegiate or literary institu- Legislature, which applications have inal gift, grant or appropriation.” .. tions. Perhaps they are under denomi- been rejected under this clause of the

I do not see how it would be possi- national control, but the literary schools Constitution. I know it to have been ble if this provision shall remain in the are not theological seminaries or re- the case, and, I think very properly, Constitution, for the Legislature to ligious seminaries.....

too. I could not conscientiously vote appropriate either the primary school Mr. MUSSEY. My extreme desire for the appropriation of money, or fund, or the university fund, for any to agree with my friend from Kalama- even of land, under this Constitution other purpose than that-for which they: zoo, (Mr. GIDDINGS,) induces me to to these institutions. were created.....

define my position a little more defi- Mr. CONGER. Without expressing Mr. BRADLEY. Will the gentle- nitely; and I do not think he will disa- any opinion with regard to the merits man allow me to ask him a question ?: gree with me in my understanding of of this proposition, I wish to call the

Mr. WILLARD. Certainly.. . the language of this section. In réfer- attention of this committee to the lands.

Mr. BRADLEY. I do not suppose ence to the institutions named by the which have been granted to this State that the fund already accumulated and gentleman from Calhoun, (Mr. Wil- for educational purposes, that the comset apart could be otherwise appropri- LARD,) I said that I understood sec- mittee may see whether it is necessary ated under that constitutional pro- tion forty of this article in the present to make any further provision. The vision. But suppose that hereafter we Constitution, to be a perfect prohibi- main portion of the lands granted to have other funds created; would that tion against appropriating money or this State for general educational pur section cover them ? :

property of the State to such institu- poses is the grant of section No. 16 in Mr. WILLARD. I understand that tions. The institutions named by him every township, or the equivalent of it it would. It says “ the proceeds from were those at Kalamazoo, Albion, Hills- in provisional townships. The act for the sale of all lands that have been, or dale, and Olivet. Each of those insti- the admission of the State of Michigan may be hereafter, granted; also, of all tutions has a theological name, repre- into the Union contains a section lands or other property given by indi- senting a religious sect. .

making such a grant. viduals, or appropriated by the State Mr. GIDDINGS. Have they each a It does not say what kind of school, for like purposes." Whatever is ap- theological department?

whether common schools, denominapropriated by the State must be used Mr. MUSSEY. They are religious tional schools, or any other kind of for that purpose.

seminaries, as I take it. If the gentle- schools. In connection, I will read the Mr. GIDDINGS. I do not myself man is smart enough to so construe second section of article thirteen of the think the construction given by the the language of the section as to leave present Constitution, referred to by the gentleman from Macomb, (Mr. Mussey,) | out these institutions, then I think they gentleman from Calhoun, (Mr. WILis by any means the correct construc- might be able to take advantage of -it; LARD:). tion of this section. I never before if he can establish it so far as to give "The proceeds from the sale of all lands. heard that construction given to it. I them confidence to believe that the that have been or may bereafter be granted

by the United States to the State for educatake it that a literary school that may Legislature has authority, under such tional

ou quay Legislature nas autoclbys under suctional purposes, and the proceeds of all landş be under denominational control, is a provision of the Constitution, to make or other property given by individuals or ap. neither a religious seminary nor a theo- lan appropriation for their benefit. But propriated by the State for like purposes, logical seminary. I do not know where I think he certainly will have to go terest and income of which, together with the

shall be and remain a perpetual fund, the inthe gentleman gets his construction of with them in order to convince the rents of all such lands as may remain unsold, this section. There may be some ques- Legislature that they have the right to shall be inviolably appropriated, and annually. tion as to whether it is proper to adopt do it.

applied, to the specific objects of the original

gift, grant; or appropriation.” the amendment of my colleage, (Mr. Mr. GIDDINGS. By what authorBRADLEY;) but I am sure that it ity does the gentleman state that the Galhovin (Mr WILLARD) seems to in

what authors I cannot see, as the gentleman from should neither succeed nor fail by institution at Olivet is a religious semi- tinäate, that there is any restriction in the rule of construction which the nary at all? ntleman from Macomb presents here. Mr. MUSSEY. It claims to be a tion against appropriating these lands

the original grant, or in our ConstituMoney might be appropriated to these school under the control of a certain literary institutions notwithstanding religious denomination, I believe.

cercator their proceeds so long as they are

applied to schools or for educational this section. The question comes up Mr. GIDDINGS. That is true; but|

purposes, as any Legislature may see whether we should đebar the Legisla- it is not a religiouş school, or a relig-fit ture from providing any means to go ous seminary, or a theological semi- the Constitution.

og rens fit, unless it is expressly prohibited in

The grant is for to the literary schools in our State. I nary, can think of instancės in which we

in schools, not for common schools, not to

Mr. MỤSSEY. I am sorry for the to might desire to appropriate money to people of Olivet if they have a school though it has always been so applied

te for any particular system of schools, . literary institutions that are already without any religion in it.

land established. Suppose the Congress of

and so used. The question raised by

Mr. GIDDINGS. It is under the this proposition is whether these grants the United States in its generosity, control of religious men, but it is not of lands which have been given to the

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July 15, 1867.

1115 State for educational purposes, shall be Mr. MORTON. I hope the amena- man who has just taken hís séat. I confined to general education of the ment offered by the gentleman from think the present section goes quite people of the State of Michigan, irre- Kalamazoo, (Mr. GIDDINGS,) will pre- får enough. I think the matter should . spective of denominational schools, or vail. I do not consider the State of be• left as it has been with the proviwhether the Legislature, on the appli- Michigan under any obligation to sup-sion as reported by the committee. If cation of different denominations, may port any sectarian school. Whether the power was given to the Legislature divide and subdivide our school fund they are religious or not, in the more to make appropriations to certain inamong schools controlled by denomina- enlarged and comprehensive meaning stitutions of learning, I do not think tions.

of Christianity, is extremely doubtful, in it would be given improperly, I do That is not a new proposition in this my opinion, when they teach sectarian- not believe in the propriety of tying up

гievy, o-tying up . . State. Applications have been hereto- ism. But one thing is certain; Prof. the hands of the Legislature for twenfore made many times to divide among Hosford sent a communication to this ty, thirty, forty, or fifty years to come. i. the different religious denominations Convention, a few days since, in which I know that in the city which I have our primary school fund, not the in- he says that there are 74,000 children in the honor in part to represent, terest of it, that they might control the this State, who are denied the chance there are many persons who, owing portion which would belong to them, of a common school education. That to their peculiar religious views, do in their own way, for the benefit of de- I think is more important than to aid not see fit to patronize our union nominational schools. That must have wealthy religious societies or organiza-schools; our common schools. They been before the Legislature, in differ- tions, in any part of the State, under keep very good private schools, and ent forms perhaps ever since this has any pretence whatever. I consider it those schools have been supported by been a State, sometimes urged with a far more important to provide for the the individuals entertaining those pegreat deal of zeal, at other times with education of these 74,000 children. culiar religious views. I may say, perless. It may perhaps be a serious ques- The professor also tells us further, that l'haps, that they feel as deep an intertion with us here whether the there is no provision made for school est in the educational advantages of great school fund which all pre-rooms in the State to accommodate our State, as those who virtually enceding Legislatures, and the peo- them all at one time. Now, the State | dorse our common school systém... ple of this state, heretofore have is under obligation to see that all our I may say here in this connection held so sacredly as a common fundil children have certain educational ad-that, though our common schools in for the education of the State, without I väntages. When there is this lack of this State are said not to represent av a denominational character, shall con- educational advantages, I do not think peculiar sectarian views, they do entinue to be so held; or whether it shall be it becomes us to provide means, or al- dorse or teach principles which are at left open to the Legislature to distrib- low means to be provided, by appro- variance with the belief- of many of ute it, or any portion of it, among the priating the funds of the State to those who, owing to their religious bedifferent sects or denominations that support these higher institutions which lief, are denied the privileges of those may hereafter desire it. I say then, as have powerful denomination, to back schools. I know that in the books I said at the opening of my remarks, them. They have a faculty of begging, used in many of those schools will be that I do not propose to speak to the which the poor common schools do not found principles, relative to religious proposition at all, or to enter into any possess.

i forms of belief, which are contrary to argument upon it one way or the other. I think, to make the matter positive, those which are taught in the schools But in my opinion all the colleges of the amendment of the gentleman from of these pårticular denominations. It this State, the common schools, or the Kalamazoo, (Mr. BRADLEY,) should appears to me that if the Legislature class of schools that are kept up by prevail, so that this question may be are given the right to make appropriadenominational influences, would not definitely settled. In 1863 the Legis- tions to these schools, at any time come under the head of religious or lature was besieged by applications for when they see fit, or to divide the pubtheological seminaries. Religious and appropriations to all the schools all lic money among those schools, there theological seminaries have in law, over the State under the pretence of will be nothing wrong in it. I am not and in the common acceptation of lan- educating teachers. Now, we have a in favor of so dividing the fund that guage, a distinct and particular mean-State Normal school for that purpose, the common schools of this State must ing; they are not literary institutions; and how does it operate? Every teach- be broken up. But that would not they are not schoolş for educational er, although educated at the expense necessarily follow. Private schools, or purposes merely, but they are strictly of the State, when he leaves the Nor- schools carried on by particular dereligious or theological seminaries, in- mal school goes to a commercial school, nominations, may be kept up as well stitutions for a particular purpose, for or to some other place to fit himself for as the common schools, in many of our the teaching of some particular belief other duties; and the females thus cities, without interfering with those or dogma held by some denomination. taught go into the world, and the first common schools. I have never considered, and I do not possible opportunity that offers they With all due deference to gentlemen think it could be capable of that con- get married, as they should. When who have preceded me, I do not know struction, that mere denominational the people of this State are taught to that any particular class of our citizens, schools for educational purposes would foster and aid the common schools as under à free government like ours, come under the classification of religi- they ought, we will then have teachers should be proscribed in consequence of ous or theological seminaries. There- enough, instead of these taxes under holding peculiar religious views. I do fore the different views which different the pretence of educating teachers. not know that they are legs worthý or gentlemen of this committee may have And when educated, in many cases honorable citizens in consequence of on the construction of the section in they are nothing but sectarian bigots. those views. If in a city like that the present Constitution, or the pro- I am willing to be taxed for our com- which I have the honor in part to priety of engrafting any restriction like mon schools; that I think is enough. represent, a portion of the people see this in the new Constitution, would I hope the amendment of the gentle bit to keep open a good tourishing give greater or less importance to the man from Kalamazoo will prevail. ;- school, supported by a particular reamendment proposed by the gentle= Mr. RAFTER. I am not able to ligious denomination, with a union man from Kalamazoo, (Mr. BRADLEY.) Tendorse the sentiments of the gentle-l school there in a flourishing condition,

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but too small to accommodate the assigned them, follow our example, and the heart of our country which time can
Wants of our city, and if the Legisla- seek from above that wisdom which is never heal—at the appointed hour the
ture sees fit to make an appropriation profitable, and which alone can qualify proclamation of liberty came-liberty
for the school kept up for that particu- them for the faithful discharge of their to the poor downtrodden African,
l ar denomination, I can see no impro- obligations. Many gentleman on this whose sighs and moans had greeted our..
priety in it. For instance, take the floor would not enter upon their ears upon every Southern breeze for
Lutherans, or take the Catholics; as ordinary avocations without first recog- the last century; liberty to the poor
far as I know, as a general thing, they nizing their dependence upon the Su-degraded toil-worn bondman; liberty
do not send their children to union preme Governor of the Universe, to the colored man alike with the Cau-
schools. I know that in our town acknowledging their allegiance and cassian, and the glad announcement was
there are three or four schools kept up seeking His guidance. How much more reiterated from land's end to land's
by the Lutherans, and two or three by suitable then when gathered here to end, liberty, liberty to all. And the ..
the Catholics; they are, for aught I make laws for this great State of ours; fetters fell from the limbs of
know to the contrary, good schools. I this State which He has so greatly four millions of our fellow beings, and .
think they have a right to their pro blessed, and which has so signally they now stand forth, disenthralled,
rata share of the public money. But prospered under His kind administra- enfranchised, redeemed, enjoying the
owing to their peculiar convictions tion. Well may we exclaim, “Surely inalienable rights guaranteed them by :
they see fit, under the present circum-. He hath not dealt so with any people." our magna charta of life, liberty and
stances, to sacrifice their interest in the With our sister States of the North He the pursuit of happiness.” And this
appropriations of the public money for has but recently delivered us from assertion in our declaration of inde-
school purposes, and to keep up their the snare of the fowler, and given us a pendence is no longer a mockery and
private schools at their own expense. glorious victory." Well may we adopt a lie, and need not bring the crimson..
I hope that the amendment proposed the language of the inspired prophetess: to the cheek of him who reads it on !
will not prevail.

And Miriam answered them and said, the anniversary of our nation's birth-
Mr. MORTON. I wish merely to Sing ye to the Lord, for He hath tri- day, as it has often done on mine.
say a word in explanationt. I do not umphed gloriously; the horse and his Now, the foul blot of slavery is forever. .
wish to proscribe any school, or any rider hath He thrown into the sea.” purged from the escutcheon of our
denomination. I am perfectly willing Not less wonderful our triumph than country, and our liberties are estab-
they should keep up their schools, as the triumph of the Israelites; not less lished upon a firm basis, the basis of
many as they please. But in our city, I wonderful our deliverance than their justice and humanity; and the corner- :.
believe, the Catholics and Lutherans deliverance from Pharoah and his hosts. stone of the confederacy is dissolved
have adopted the policy of placing And, oh, as we now look back from into the baseless fabric of a dream..

their schools under the protection the proud eminence we occupy, how Had the ear of the Almighty been ...of the union school board, and conse- visible the hand of God in all the dark open to our supplications at the com- *

- quently are entitled to their share of scenes of the conflict; how we now see mencement of the rebellion, had He an- .
the educational fund. So my remarks that the reverses, the oft repeated de-swered our prayers and restored peace
do not apply at all to those schools, feats of our armies, over which we shed speedily, our country might have en-
nor does the amendment proposed bitter tears and made loud lamenta- joyed peace for a season, but it would
affect them under any circumstances. tions, ah, how evident now that the have been the calm which precedes the

The question then recurred upon the hand of a kind father was in it all; tempest and the earthquake; the amendment of Mr. BRADLEY, to insert that these reverses, these chastisements canker had been still gnawing at our in section thirty, after the words “re- were indeed blessings in disguise. And, vitals, and ere long the scenes of agony ligious seminary," the words, “or oh, how we now bless God that our and of blood would have been reënschools under denominational control.” prayers and our importunities fo

prayers and our importunities for acted; the wail of woe bad again The amendment was agreed to... victory were not heard in the com- greeted our ears, and our country had

animi , mencement of the conflict; that the again been clad in the habiliments of CHAPLAINS FOR THE LEGISLATURE.

nation might be speedily restored mourning. But now, blessed be God, Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH. I under the Constitution as before the our peace is established on the basis of move to amend this section by insert-rebellion. But God had better things justice and humanity, the greatest good ing the following:

in store för us; He was trying us in the to the greatest number, without dis" And each House of the Legislature shall crucible; He was passing us through tinction of race or color, and our motto have power to employ a chaplain to open seas of blood and of carnage; laying is “equal justice to all.”... their daily sessions with devotional exer-low in the dust the beauty and flower The Constitution of 1850. does not cises, who shall be entitled to the same per diem allowance as members of the Legis- of our youtu; umornog our prido, prohibit devotional service

S- of our youth; humbling our pride, prohibit devotional services in our Leglature.”

:] teaching us our utter dependance on islatures, but prohibits payment for I offer this amendment, sir, in the his Almighty arm, preparing us for a those services from the treasury of the confident hope that it will find a ready higher and a holier deliverance.

higher and a holier deliverance. State. And why this prohibition? Is and a unanimous response in this com- He was preparing us for that great not the laborer worthy of his hire ? mittee; that we shall here indicate to and glorious event, which has placed us. Is not the service performed for the our Legislatures in all the future our on so proud an eminence among the benefit of the State ? And is not the desire, the desire of our people, that nations, and when we had endured State morally bound to pay for those they should recognize the Infinite sufficiently the agony and the blood, services? There is not in the wide Jehovah as the Great Governor of the when we were duly humbled, and felt world a class of men who are more Universe, holding in His hands our that God governed, that none but an poorly remunerated for the labor perdestinies, the destinies of States, and Almighty arm could save us, then in formed and the good achieved than of nations, of principalities and of the hour of our deep calamity, then, at our clergy. Oh, brethren, let us not kingdoms, the great God who rules in the appointed time, that great and good disgrace ourselves; let us not disgrace the armies above, and among the chil- man whom God had raised up for our this great, this magnanimous State of dren of men; that they should, before deliverance, and whose base assassina- ours by this contemptible parsimony. entering upon the important duties / tion sent a pang of sorrow through Let us manifest to the world that we

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are not only willing ourselves to con- the Constitution of 1850, there is a pro- ment of chaplains employed by the tribute to the Lord's treasury, but that hibition upon this subject; the Legis- Legislature. we are willing, yea, anxious, that our lature are expressly prohibited from It was well said by the gentleman State should acknowledge God as the employing chaplains, or rather prohib- who introduced the resolution which Supreme Governor of the Universe, ited from paying them out of the trea- was referred to our committee, that the source of all our mercies, and seek sury. Now, I hope that this amend- that was a standing disgrace to the His blessing upon all her varied in- ment may be adopted, that it may be religious sentiment of the State, and terests.

understood that this Convention did it always has been felt to be so. The And let us, my brothers, acknowl not approve of that restriction in the matter was referred to the committee edge him in the Senate Chamber, in the present Constitution. Even if the con- on the legislative department, and was family circle, in the social gathering, struction of my friend from Branch, considered by them. They quickly in the congregation of his saints, in (Mr. LUCE, should be correct, still it and unanimously agreed to strike out the Legislative halls, in the Constitu- will be an indication to the world, an section twenty-four of the article on tional Conventions; everywhere, under indication to all future Legislatures of the legislative department in the presall circumstances, let us acknowledge our opinions upon this subject. As ent Constitution, with but one thought Him as our God, and praise Him our there is no objection to it, even on the and one feeling; and that was that it, fathers' God, and magnify His great part of my friend from Branch, I hope was unworthy of a place in our Conname. Where in the wide universe, the amendment may be adopted.". stitution. I question whether there is where in all the history of the past, Mr. MCCLELLAND. My impres- any gentleman on this floor, who does has any people, any nation been under sion is that there is an objection to not agree most cordially with the genso great obligations of love and grati- this amendment. I am in favor of the tleman who made this motion about tude and devotion as our nation? object that the gentleman has in view. the appropriateness of religious exerWell may we exclaim with the Psalmist, But suppose that it is deemed advisa- cises in the halls of legislation, when“If it had not been the Lord who was ble to distribute this matter, and in- ever that body is in session. on our side when men rose up against vite the clergymen of Lansing to offi- Still, the reason suggested by the us, then they had swallowed us up ciate alternately, as we have done in gentleman from Wayne, (Mr. MOCLELquick, when their wrath was kindled this Convention. This amendment, if LAND,) in regard to the mode of emagainst us. Then the waters had over-adopted, might be considered by mem- ploying a chaplain, is somewhat of an whelmed us, the stream had gone over bers of the Legislature as binding objection to the amendment now before our soul. Blessed be the Lord who them to employ some one chaplain. this committee. There is also an an- .. hath not given us a prey to their teeth.” I would myself rather distribute the other thing which I would like to menLet us beware Mr. Chairman, let us performance of this duty åmong the tion. I would not desire to link the beware gentlemen of the committee, whole number here at Lansing. I am employment of chaplains by the Legishow we ignore the government of God. in favor of the object in view, of giving lature in a constitutional provision with Let us acknowledge His right to rule to the Legislature powers to employ a the salary that they shall receive. I oùer us, individually and collectively. chaplain. That will be done by ex- would not link religious appeals to the Let us be warned by the sad example punging section twenty-four from the Throne of Grace and the reading of of infidel France in her revolutionary present Constitution, which reads as the Bible, with the pittance to be days. Let us recognize our allegiance to follows:

... given to them, in the same sentence His government, and remember, the The Legislature may authorize the em- in our organic law. I think, as the 'Lord loveth a righteous nation, but a ployment of a chaplain for the State prison, l committe

tate prison committee thought, that it is a suffiwicked people he will indoe

l but no money shall be appropriated for the
payment of any religious services in either

cient condemnation of the prohibition Mr. LUCE. This question, it will House of the Legislature." .:

in the old Constitution to strike it out, be remembered, was referred to I apprehend that expunging that so that the new Constitution, if the committee who reported this arti- section will give them sufficient power. adopted, will leave our Legislature to cle. While the committee were unan- I coöperated with the gentleman from provide the ordinary, usual and cus- i imous, I believe, in favor of giving to Oakland, (Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH,) in tomary mode of opening the proceedthe Legislature power and authority the Convention of 1850, in endeavoring ings by religious exercises in such man- .. to employ a chaplain for each House, to defeat that section, but we failed. ner as they may deem best. My obit was not deemed necessary to put a I apprehend it is not necessary, either jection to the insertion of the clause special provision in the Constitution to by way of revenge or by way of show- here will not, I trust, be taken as an that effect. It was our understanding ing our devotional feelings, to adopt objection at all to having religious exthat they had the undisputed right, that which is not absolutely required ercises in the Legislature, nor as and the unquestioned privilege, with-to be placed in the Constitution, throwing any disparagement whatever out such a provision, to employ a Mr. CONGER. Lest there should upon such exercises. But I think it

chaplain, and pay him out of the treas- be some reflection upon the committee would be better that it should be left : ury. It seemed to us no more appro- in regard to their action upon this for the Legislature to follow the time

priate to place a provision in the arti-subject, the Convention having referred honored custom of requesting the resi-
cle for that purpose, than to put one the matter specially to them, I wish to dent clergy of the city of Lansing al-
in authorizing them to employ a ser- say a word or two in reference to it. ternately, or as might suit their own
geant-at-arms, or a secretary or clerk. Section twenty-four of the present convenience, to perform religious ser-
While we cordially endorsed the idea Constitution has just been read by the vices for the Legislature. I would not
that they should employ chaplains, we gentleman from Wayne, (Mr. McCLEL- have the question of their compensa-
did not deem it even necessary to LAND.) As if in defiance of the common tion coupled in the organic law with
place a provision for that purpose in judgment, and the common devotional our acknowledgment of God and the
this article. If there was any neces- feelings of legislative bodies through- propriéty of religious services. I think
sity for it, there would be no objection out this country, it contained a clause all that might be left to each house of
on the part of the committee. authorizing the employment of a chap- the Legislature. .i
- Mr. VAN VALKENBURGH. It will lain in the State prison; and in the Mr. P. D. WARNER. If I rightly
be remembered by gentlemen, that in very next clause prohibited the pay- apprehend the amendment offered by

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