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Destroyer, second line:
Bureau of Construction and Repairs-
Removal of three 3-inch guns and 3 torpedo tubes.

Bureau of Ordnance-
Removal guns and torpedo tubes

300 Total NOTE.-Estimate based on destroyers, first line, upon which extensive fire control is not installed and would be left on board. Second-line destroyers have only elementary fire-control installations.

2. Cost to put in good condition one destroyer for service required:
Destroyer, first line:
Bureau of Engineering-
Repairs to machinery and boilers --

$17, 422
Bureau of Construction and Repair-
Cleaning, painting, docking, repairs to hull, boats, ete-

26, 152 Bureau of Ordnance Equipment, new; engineering

24, 000 Equipment, new; construction and repair

28,500 Total

96, 074 Destroyer, second line: Bureau of EngineeringRepairs to machinery and boilers..

33,923 Bureau of Construction and Repair Cleaning, painting, docking, repairs to hull, boats, ete

19, 274 Bureau of Ordnance Equipment, new ; engineering

22, 000 Equipment, new; construction and repair...



92, 697 NOTE.-It will be noted that new equipment is included in these figures, as at the conclusion of the intended five-year term of service this material will be worn out and require replacement upon return of destroyers to the Navy. The present equipment of the destroyers out of commission has been used and is incomplete.

3. Number of men required on board one destroyer (Nary crews): Destroyer, first line -

102 Destroyer, second line..

80 4. Number of gallons fuel oil consumed at 15 knots : Destroyer, first line:

Gallons per hour.

54, 000 24,000

For steaming 1,800 miles, per month---
For port consumption during remainder of month-

Total consumption per month.
Destroyer, second line:

Gallons per hour



For steaming 1,800 miles, per month -
For port consumption during remainder of month.

42, 000) 18,000


Total consumption per month.--
5. Probable cost of upkeep annually for period of five years:
Destroyer, first line:

Operating expenses (includes pay, stores, fuel, subsistence)
One year
Five years


$18,000 161, 000 179,000 895, 000

Destroyer, second line:
Repairs ----

$12,000 Operating expenses (includes pay, stores, fuel, subsistence)

84, 000 One year--

96, 000 Five years

480, 000 NOTE.-Above figures are derived from Paymaster General reports covering active naval operations.

The first of the seven destroyers commissioned at San Diego at $32,000 has gone to yard for overhaul, estimated at $31,000.




TIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF NEW YORK. The CHAIRMAN. We will be glad to hear you, Mr. MacGregor.

Mr. MacGREGOR. Bearing upon the question of increase in compensation to customs employees, I would like to say this:

I note that the customs receipts for the fiscal year 1923 were $562,000,000. This was the largest amount ever collected during one fiscal year and exceeded the receipts of the previous year by $204,644,000.

The imports during the year were valued at $3,781,000,000, an increase of $1,173,000,000 over the value of the imports during the preceding year.

The maintenance of the service during the year 1923 involved an expenditure of $13,161,000, an increase of only $493,579 over the expenditures for 1922.

The cost of collection per dollar in 1923 was reduced from 347 mills to 231 mills.

There are 7,456 persons employed in the customs service, an increase of but 443 over the number employed in 1922, and as you will note, the increase of receipts was very large, and there was an enormous increase in the amount of property that had to be reviewed, that increase amounting to $1,173,000,000.

In the customs district in which I am particularly interested, which is the Buffalo district, there are three offices—Buffalo, Black Rock, and Niagara Falls.

In that district there are 106 full-time employees. Of these there are 22 employees at $1,640 per year, three at $1,600 per year, 39 at $1,460 per year, 1 at $1,380 per year, 17 at $1,277.50 per year, 2 at $1,200 per year, 1 at $900 per year, and 2 at $840 per year,

Mr. BYRNS of Tennessee. That does not include the bonus.
Mr. MacGREGOR. No; that does not include the bonus.

The collections in this district in the fiscal year 1923 were $4,986,000. In the first five months of 1924 the collections were $2,499.000. The cost of collections per dollar has decreased very materially.

In 1919 the cost of collection was 16.23 cents; in 1920 it had been reduced to 11.07 cents; in 1921 it was 13.12 cents; in 1922 it was 3.97 cents; in 1923 it was 3.69 cents, and in the first five months of 1924 it was 3.18 cents.

In the Buffalo district the average salary of the full-time force is $1,376, and only 12 of the 106 employees receive $1,800 a year or more.

As I understand it, $1,800 is the official figure found necessary to provide for a bare living of a family, and 12 employees in that whole district receive as much as it has been decided by experts is necessary to maintain a man and his family. These 12 are in the official class.

These customs employees in that district are on a seven-day a week basis. I do not know whether that is true in the other districts or not, but in the Buffalo district they are required to be on duty at any time, seven days a week.

The CHAIRMAN. That includes only the inspectors.
Mr. MacGREGOR. And much of that work is night work.

Of course, we have peculiar conditions on the border, which also pertain to other points on the Canadian border. We have a large automobile traffic across the border. These automobiles which come across the border have to be examined.

We have also imposed upon those men on the border the duty of enforcing, or attempting to enforce the prohibition law. They. have to run power boats and act as guards, because an immense quantity of illicit liquor is brought across the border. That is very easily done, and these customs employees have to be on the job all the time, engaged in that work. They have to maintain a 24-hour service on the bridges for automobiles.

The CHAIRMAN. That does not involve 24 hours of work for any one man.

Mr. MacGREGOR. It is divided up, of course. But they have no holidays. These men are required to work all the time.

The CHAIRMAN. They are under the same regulations as all other men in the Government service who get holidays, are they not?

Mr. MacGregor. They do not have any holidays up there. They have to do the work which is required, and they go without their holidays, such as Christmas, Fourth of July, and New Years. They do not have those holidays.

The CHAIRMAN. They are probably a happy lot.

Mr. MACGREGOR. Of course you recognize the fact that Government employees should receive proper compensation. The reduction in the per dollar collection cost of the increased amount of collections would certainly indicate that the employees should receive some portion of that, and I think our Government could very well take into consideration the great reduction in the per dollar collection cost.

The CHAIRMAN. What will we do in the case of employees in departments where they do not take in anything? How will we treat them?

Mr. MacGREGOR. I am talking about customs employees at the present time. Certainly, Government employees should receive enough compenation so that they can live decently. They should certainly receive something like those who are employed on the outside.

The CHAIRMAN. Your idea is, Mr. MacGregor, that the men in the customs service are inadequately compensated?


The CHAIRMAN. That is what you want to tell us!
Mr. MACGREGOR. Yes; that is what I want to tell you.
Mr. Davis. And especially so in Buffalo?
Mr. MacGREGOR. Yes.
Mr. GALLIVAN. And Boston, Mr. MacGregor.

Mr. MARGREGOR. I have been trying to convince the department that we are not as well taken care of in Buffalo as the people in Boston.

The CHAIRMAN. We are much obliged to you. The committee will give the matter due consideration.




Acker, W. B., statement of.


Agriculture, Department of


Agricultural Economics, Bureau of..


Cotton standards act, enforcement of


Forest Service --


Nitrogen research laboratory.


Public Roads, Bureau of.


Secretary, office of...


Seed-grain loans, collection of


Warehouse act, enforcement of_

Warehouses, number and location of


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Advisability of leasing -


Boat service....


Damages caused by floods.


Equipment needed, statement showing-


Executive order authorizing free transportation.


Expenditures for 1924, statement showing-


Fiscal statement for 1923.


Handicaps to.--


Interior Department policy in operation of


Investment in..


Maintenance and operation for 1923 and 1924, estimate for


Miles operated, number of


New construction and equipment.


Newspaper statement on condition of road..


Operating expenses, savings in.


Operation of, in winter


Policy of operation of

344, 355

Press reports on condition of.


Rates, comparison with other roads in the United States.

Receipts and operating expenses, 1924.

308, 324
Report on condition of

Revenue loss due to floods.

Rolling stock on hand..


Albright, H. M., statement of.


Alien Property Custodian.


American Battle Monuments Commission..

Acquisition of land..

Authorizing Shipping Board to charge minimum rate for commission

and personnel.


Bronze relief maps, placing of


Cost of project.

Establishment of offices abroad.

Expenses incurred since March 4, 1923.


Members of commission.---


Number of monuments to be used.


Office work of commission..


Outline of organization


Outline sketch maps


Photographing battle fields.


Reimbursement of actual expenses.-


Structures and improvements to land.


Travel allowance --


Aronoff, E. J., statement of..

Ayers, É. J., statement of..


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