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on the Convention with Russia. an enemy's port; the fourth, whether free ships made free goods; and the fifth, what constitutes contraband of war. In spite of the ingenious speeches that had been made, he could not consider either of these points to be settled by the present convention. The coasting trade he conceived to be completely given up to the neutral powers-the right of blockade so modified as to be of very little advantage-the right of search by no means secured. He approved, how ever, of that stipulation which took it from privateers; for he was so much an enemy to that species of warfare, that he was glad to see any measure adopted for discouraging it. The examination of papers could not afford sufficient evidence of the property on board neutral ships. It was very easy for these ships to be provided with papers which might appear perfectly fair and regular; and yet if an officer commanding one of his majesty's squadrons found them so, his hands were tied up, and he could not proceed to search a neutral convoy. The character of a blockaded port, as given in the convention, must render all attempts to blockade an enemy's port completely abortive. If our squadrons were driven off a coast by a squall of wind, though still within sight of it, neutral vessels would be at liberty to enter. The specification of articles contraband of war he regarded as improper, in omitting many naval stores which it had always been the policy of this country to regard as contraband. He was not one of those who had doubts with respect to our maritime rights. He wished the question to be decided, but hoped for a His opidecision of a different nature. nion was conformable to that of an hon. gentleman whom he was sorry not to see in his place, and who declared that those rights ought only to be abandoned with our existence. The House would recollect that he had compared them to the national flag, which ought to be nailed to the mast, and with which we ought to sink or swim. Alas! that flag was now struck! Notwithstanding the objections he had to the convention, he should not oppose the address.

Lord Hawkesbury said, that from the turn the debate had taken, he should not find it necessary to trouble the House at any length; he should not do his duty, however, if he did not shortly state the grounds on which he differed from the hon. gentleman and from the noble lord,

and on which he considered that the
treaty deserved a vote of approbation.
The hon. gentleman had thought it irre-
gular not to wait till information had been
officially received of the accession of
Denmark and Sweden. That they were
ready to accede did not rest only upon his
(the noble secretary's) authority. This
had been expressly declared by his ma-
jesty in his speech from the throne. Be-
sides the House was called upon now to
consider merely the convention with Rus-
sia, and if there should be any thing objec-
tionable in the treaty concluded with
Denmark and Sweden, there would still
be room for censure and condemnation.
After repeating the assertions of the two
last speakers, the noble lord denied that
this was a compromise, as stated by the
hon. gentleman, or that we had given up
We had main-
what we had been contending for, as
stated by the noble lord.
tained in full force our maritime rights, as
far as it was our interest, and even as far
as it ought to be our desire. We had gained
all we were entitled to demand, and all it
was our wish to procure. The treaty was
at once just and expedient, equitable and
wise. Some asked, what did the treaty
give us which we had not before? We
had not entered the contest to expect any
new advantage, but to preserve our anci-
ent and incontestible rights; if these were
preserved, the object of our endeavours
had been fully attained. The hon. gen-
tleman, in complaining that we stood ex-
actly where we were before we engaged in
the struggle, did not take a just view of
the state of the question. The powers of
the North had confederated to dictate a
new code of maritime law to Europe. We
What the
went to war to dissolve this confederacy,
and to defeat its purposes.
House therefore had now to determine
was, whether this confederacy had been
dissolved, and whether we had asserted
our ancient rights. The importance of
these rights it was unnecessary for him
now to dwell upon. There was not, he
believed, a man in the country who would
not allow that it could not be over-stated.
There was one point of view, however, in
which he thought it had not been suffici-
To her maritime
ently considered.
greatness this country owed her happy
issue from the late awful struggle in which
she was engaged, and to the maritime
greatness of England the continent of
Europe owed whatever it retained of
independence. This power had reached

its present stupendous pitch from a system of policy begun in the earliest times of our history, and brought to perfection in the time of the commonwealth by the enactment of the navigation laws. The principle then established was, to limit the commerce of Great Britain to her navigation, wherever the two clashed to prefer navigation and to sacrifice commerce. The trade of Britain was thus all confined to British ships, and this regulation was extended even to the time of war, with one single qualification, that a larger proportion of foreign seamen was then allowed. The consequence of those salutary laws was, that, upon the principles laid down by the confederacy, we had nothing to gain, but every thing to lose. We allowed no neutral navigation, and the more it was freed from restrictions, we suffered the more. France, on the other hand, had long found her navigation too small for her commerce. In peace she merely laid a small tonnage upon foreign shipping entering her ports, and in time of war she gave it every possible encouragement. Her system then was, to throw her commerce into the hands of neutrals, that she might add to the strength of her military marine. Thus the principles we contended for were not only abstractedly right, as between all countries, but of the most essential consequence to us in our individual circumstances. Yet, he would fairly allow, that he thought we should make the exercise of these rights as little vexatious as possible. It was wise not to push them too far; by seeming to recede, we might prop them more effectually. He had read almost every thing that had been written in defence of the claims of neutrals, and he had never found any reasoning to show that they had right upon their side. However, one strong argument was drawn from convenience. It was said that our principle, though just, was liable to abuse, and that theirs, though erroneous, might, in practice, be found less inconvenient. With a view to the preservation of our privileges (a thing he considered of the first importance) that foundation on which this argument against them rests should be for ever taken away. His lordship then made some observations, and quoted a passage from the treaty itself to prove that it was by no means meant as a new code of maritime law, but merely as a settlement of certain differences that had arisen between this country and three powers

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in the north of Europe. He went on to say that, in his view of the subject, there were in dispute four essential points, and one or two collateral: 1st, the right to seize enemy's property in neutral ships; 2nd, the affair of contraband; 3rd, the right to search vessels under convoy; and 4th, the right of blockade. A fifth and sixth might be considered, the colonial and coasting trade, or they might be considered together, and called a fifth. Of these we had gained all that were essential, and our concessions in the others would be attended with no disadvantage. The maxim of " free bottoms free goods,' was abandoned in the most unqualified manner, and enemies' property was declared seizable wherever it was to be found. Those who were dissatisfied because there was no new regulation with regard to contraband of war, ought to recollect that it was not our object to annul existing treaties. Even the armed neutrality had only made an enumeration of articles which was to apply to nations between whom no treaty existed. This treaty was not general, and by no means established the point that naval stores should not be reckoned contraband between others than the contracting parties. The advantage of the concession to Russia was as trifling. In the course of a season she did not send twelve ships without the Sound. He declared himself to be of opinion that, by our treaty with Sweden, naval stores were to be considered as contraband. All contraband was expressly excluded, and the list in which naval stores did not appear, was introduced by an ac specialiter. The right of search, he considered the most important of all; without it, the recognition of all the rest was of little value. Here a concession had been made, but he was free to declare that it had been voluntarily offered by the British government, on condition that the northern powers would recede from their inadmissible pretensions. He did not, however, join in the vulgar clamour against privateering, and it would be found that privateers would suffer very little by this abridgment of their rights, as the regulation extended only to ships under convoy. The noble lord who spoke last, in what he said concerning the manner of searching, had fallen into a great error concerning the law of nations. Where there was no ground of suspicion, there was no right to search, and the captain exercised this right always at his own risk. That there

was nothing new in the language used in this convention, he proved, from the treaties with Denmark and Sweden, concluded in the middle of the seventeenth century. It was only just ground of suspicion that authorised the searching of single ships, and with regard to ships under convoy, we had always the additional security of knowing when they were assembling, of being able to form conjectures as to their cargo and destination, and of having it in our power to watch them during the whole course of their voyage. It had been asked, who was to be the judge of the suspicion? Ex vi termini, he who feels it. Gentlemen were apt to confound suspicion and proof. The same course would now be pursued with convoys as formerly with single ships. The words had existed above a century and a half, and in their interpretation would not now undergo any change. The présent definition of blockade went as far as any esteemed writer on the law of nations had ever extended it. Upon this point, opinions had been in the extreme. While some contended that the power possessing a naval superiority has a right to declare any port whatever in a state of blockade, without sending a ship of war near it; others were of opinion, that a port ceased to be in a state of blockade, as soon as the blockading fleet, from whatever cause, left it open to neutral navigation. This treaty held a due medium between these two opposite doctrines. Considering that the liability of a blockading fleet to be blown off the port by stormy weather, constitutes the only difference between a blockade by sea and a blockade by land, the treaty declared that a port should then be considered in a state of blockade when there was a fleet assigned to lockade it. Thus these foar most essential points, which had all been disputed, were all abandoned to us. We have a right to seize enemies' property wherever met with on the seas; we have a right to consider every thing as contraband of war with which our enemies could be supplied to our annoyance; we have a right to search both individual ships and fleets under convoy wherever there is the least ground of suspicion; we have a right to blockade, not only with stationary, but with cruising squadrons, and all these are publicly acknowledged by those powers whose interest it is to dispute them. The remaining points he considered as collateral, and for this reason, that the [VOL. XXXVI.]

four former depend upon the law of nations, but the colonial and coasting trade are not to be considered per se, but to be regulated by particular treaties. If a nation allowed another to trade to its colonies in time of peace, there was no doubt that its colonial trade might be carried on by that nation in time of war. Those who said we had here granted neutrals all they demanded, he referred to the treaty of armed neutrality itself. It was there said, they should be at liberty to sail from port to port on the coast of the belligerent, but in this convention the words were "sail to the ports and on the coast." Was nothing intended by this alteration? He denied that neutrals would be at liberty, under these words, to commence a voyage from the ports of a power at war. The coasting trade was illegal in time of war, only because it was prohi bited in time of peace. He was told that Holland laid no restrictions upon this trade whatever; therefore in her case we could not suffer by this article, whatever construction was put upon it. The colony trade he considered to be in no way af fected by these regulations, but to remain on its ancient footing. It never entered into the consideration of the armed neutrality; and this treaty merely settled the disputes occasioned by their unwarrantable claims. However, as some doubts had arisen, and as it was most desirable that every ground of future disagreement should be obviated, an explanation upon this point had been requested from the court of Russia. It was not in his power officially to state the result of this explanation, but this he could state, that when produced it would be found highly satisfactory. The colony trade was expressly disallowed, with this trifling qualification, that whatever relaxation had been made during this war, should be continued in future to the contracting powers.--No ship was now to be considered to belong to that power whose flag it bore, unless the captain and one-half of the mariners were natives of the country. Those who knew how neutral colours had been abused in the two last wars, would not consider this regulation of small importance to us. It was said that the treaty was ambiguous; but what treaty was ever framed which did not leave room for the cavelling of the discontented? As to the question, whether more could have been gained, he trusted that ministers would receive credit

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for having used their utmost endeavours to promote the interests of their country. But in this case, if no more was gained, it was because no more was wished. The treaty did enough; it contained an ample recognition of all that was essential to us as the first maritime power on the globe. He knew there were some who saw no policy but in violence. For his part, if he could obtain what he considered substantial justice, he not only would let off his enemy without blows, but would help him to escape. We had gained by this treaty all that justice, all that policy required; and he did not see where would have been the dignity in pressing severely upon states, because, when compared with us, they were weak and feeble. A petty concession was not to be compared with the rancour and ill-will produced in extorting it. When the northern powers were confederated against us, and threatened to enforce their pretensions with the sword, we showed true magnanimity in using force to chastise their temerity; but we showed equal magnanimity in seizing upon the first symptoms of returning moderation to bring about an amicable arrangement. We thus proved that we would neither recede from our rights, nor push the exercise of them beyond the bounds of reason and justice. On these principles the treaty was founded, and on these principles he asked for it the approbation of the House.

Dr. Laurence said, it was argued, that we had established the right of preventing free ships from making free goods; yet that right had been previously acknowledged, and it was matter of fact, that the northern powers never seriously wished to contend with us for it. They had merely set up a plea against it, with a view of converting their opposition to advantage in other points. They had contended against our right in that instance, with a view of withdrawing their pretensions, in order to induce us to make concessions of importance in other respects. As to the right of search, it had never been disputed, when the circumstances of public affairs rendered the attempts of the northern powers more likely to succeed; when our ships were doubled in number by those of the enemy, and when our fleet was driven up the Channel by a very superior force. Yet, placed as the country was, in that alarming situation, no attempt had been made to deprive us of the right of search. When he considered the article

respecting the contraband trade in time of war, it did not appear to him, that any thing of moment had been gained by the convention. Whatever might be the terms in which the act of accession on the part of Denmark and Sweden might be notified, he trusted that the policy of this country would not treat the weak powers with severity. In considering the definition given by the learned gentleman, of the state of the blockade, he could not help observing, that it was rather a dangerous experiment. It had been changed six or seven different times. At one time, to constitute a state of blockade, it was necessary that the ships should be stationary; at another, it was required that they should be sufficiently near to the port to render the approach to it dangerous. Blockades could not be justly defined; for there was no certain standard, no precise rule, no traces of them in the admiralty laws. They had been indeed assimilated to sieges by land. Whenever the declaration of a state of blockade was announced, all vessels which endeavoured to enter the harbour, became from that moment liable to be seized; yet if the blockade was not actually kept up, that circumstance would give rise to strange contradictions in the jurisdiction of the country. He should also remark, that no specific time was settled, with regard to the determination of the blockade. A case in point had fallen within his own knowledge. On the 18th of April, the squadron which kept a port in a state of blockade, sailed from its situation, and on the 19th, after twentyfour hours sail from the place, the vessel to which he alluded was taken, and treated as if the port had been in actual blockade; yet who could undertake to say, that there existed at that moment evident danger in attempting to enter the harbour? No man would venture to assert, that such a case fell within the definition given by the learned gentleman. The right of convoy was consequently a consideration of the highest importance, and should never be enforced but in cases of great necessity. The treaty was, in that respect, drawn up with as much care as could be well expected; yet there might be a discretion in government to go farther. Under every impression of the treaty, he insisted that he would not have built it upon the basis of the armed neutrality; he would not have constructed this vessel upon that keel. Instead of weakening the power and influence of t

the Belt would be still open; a passage,
the discovery of which was reserved for
the consummate skill and daring spirit of
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Russia, it tended to increase and strengthen
them; for the emperor of Russia was left
to negotiate for the two other states. It
was full of discord, and liable to much
difference of explanation. Having com-
mented upon the policy of giving up to
Russia some settlement in the Mediterra-
nean, he concluded with observing, that
he could not tamely think of relinquishing
all the possessions we had acquired, for a
peace which he could not think honour-
able to this country.

Mr. Erskine said :-I cannot, Sir, resist the pleasure of expressing the most unqualified approbation of the manner in which this convention has been so happily concluded. I have never been in the House when it was in progress, and only entered it to day when the seconder of the motion was concluding his speech; but though a stranger to your debates upon the subject, I am no stranger to its importNot long ago I saw three great ance. nations of the North, one of them powerful indeed, confederated against the most vital interests of our country; yet in so short a time afterwards I now see the same powers pledged to concur with us in their support, by upholding our ancient system of commercial law. The effect of such a successful conspiracy must have been to establish universally, that free bottoms should make free goods; because they who denied the right of search and enforced the refusal, annihilated every regulation against enemies property or contraband of war; since it is only by search that the invasion of the law can be detected. Our situation, nevertheless, as it regarded those confederating nations, was delicate in the extreme; since some of their staple commodities were in times of hostility (unfortunately too frequent) closely connected with the necessities of the state. The merit of this convention is not therefore to be lowered by calling it a judicious compromise. During the American war it was well observed by the late Mr. Burke, whose name the House will always hear with respect that almost every human benefit was founded in compromise and barter, "wegive" he said, "and take, choosing rather to be prudent statesmen than subtle disputants."--If we had endeavour

Lord Glenbervie said, there were two points upon which he must say a few words. One was with regard to the goods of Russia, in which a difficulty had been introduced by his learned friend which did The other was a not belong to the case. matter of fact, concerning which his learned friend's understanding was incorrect. Upon the matter of fact his learned friend had stated, that the contracting parties of the armed neutrality of 1800, did not really mean to persist in denying the right of search: this was very extraordinary, since they had an express order upon that subject: This was direct evidence of a fact which was at variance with the understanding of his learned friend upon the subject. A Swedish captain had received express orders from his court not to suffer any examination whatever, but to resist it with force. This was the positive order and matter of fact which he had to oppose to the understanding of his learned friend upon this subject. Afterwards the captain became subject to our search: he thought it wise not to resist that search with force, he was brought into this country, but when he went home he was broke for not having resisted the search by force; a tolerable evidence of the intention of his court seriously to dispute the right of search. A Danish ship actually did use force in resisting the search; another proof that his learned friend's understanding upon that subjected to insist on harsh terms with the powwas at variance with the fact.

ers in question, they would have renewed Mr. Sturges considered the treaty, not the contest on the first opportunity that as a compromise, but as a complete sur- offered; but by our wise moderation the render of every object which we could difference has been finally settled; as they fairly desire. He hoped it would be last-have solemnly pledged themselves, in the ing, and he had well-grounded reasons for entertaing that hope. They were grounded in the glorious manner in which we had asserted our rights, and the moderation with which our victory had been followed. Northern powers had learnt that the Sound was not impassable, and even if it were rendered impassable, the passage of

face of Europe, that no neutral nation shall in time of war protect the property of enemies to belligerent powers, nor furnish them with the materials of war, for this prohibition is sufficiently established by the recognition of the right of search, as the general law of civilized states. We had thus preserved the honour and inter

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