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studies of a different nature-we then find to encounter is their former acts and what I believe to be the true description, conduct. But, if they were determined as given by the right hon. Gentleman op- to do that which I think they ought to posite (Mr. Shaw), namely, that for the do, namely, to tell the people of England Roman Catholics you establish a certain that Ireland will not, and ought not, number of Colleges suitable for the middle to be satisfied without equality, and if classes, which are open to all, and at which they will work that proposition out, persons intending to devote themselves to whether it be as regards academical educommercial pursuits, to civil engineering, cation, or whether it be as regards ecand professions of a similar nature, may clesiastical education, or whether it be obtain a good education; but with respect as regards political or civil privileges, I to a higher kind of education, you find think, all these difficulties would very that that is solely to be obtained in the soon vanish before their sight. The peoUniversity of Dublin, and that the Univer- ple of England would see the justice of sity of Dublin is presided over by a body that policy. They do not so easily see which is exclusively Protestant. Nay the justice of a proposition which comes more, you find that even those scholar- piecemeal before them. They do not ships which are intended for promoting see the advantage of endowing Maynooth the advancement of students in their future solely for the education of Catholic career, are confined in all cases to Pro- priests; they do not see the advantage testants; and that with regard to pro- of a system of education from which refessorships, such as chemistry and botany, ligion is totally excluded. These propoProtestants only can be appointed to them. sitions coming singly before them do not Here, at once, is not equality. You have strike them with the force that they would not made a provision for giving to the do, if you were to bring the whole conRoman Catholics that which you have dition of Ireland before this House and given to the Protestants. That inequality the country, and were to say that you are might be remedied in two ways. You determined to act according to the prinmight have a separate institution for ciples of justice. The right hon. Baronet Roman Catholics, and give that insti- finds fault with my right hon. Friend, betution as rich an endowment as Trinity cause he is not satisfied, and because he College possesses. That would be is not prepared to go back to Ireland equality. But you do not adopt that quite pleased, and willing to tell his concourse. I do not quarrel with you for stituents how kind and beneficent the that. But another way to remedy the English Parliament has been to them. But inequality that exists is to open Trinity unless you can prove that your proposiCollege, Dublin-all of it which is not of tions are intended to comply with the an ecclesiastical nature, but merely secu- promises made at the time of the Union; lar to the Roman Catholics of that coun- and unless, too, you can prove that the try. The right hon. Baronet has not Roman Catholics of Ireland have had full therefore answered the speech of my right justice done them, although they may, in hon. Friend (Mr. Sheil) by comparing respect to individual measures, say, "This Maynooth with Trinity College, instead of is an advantageous measure, and may be stating, as is the fact, that Trinity Col- a benefit for Ireland," yet they would not lege would still remain the only place act with sincerity if they did not at the where persons belonging to the higher same time say, "But do not suppose that classes can obtain collegiate degrees. we shall be satisfied until perfect equality This being the case, my right hon. is established between Catholic and ProFriend is perfectly justified in saying, testant." With respect to the present, withthat the Roman Catholics will not be out confining myself to the words of the satisfied until real equality is obtained. hcn. Gentleman's proposition, I am quite That is the case with regard to acade- willing, Sir, that the words contained in mical education; and so it is with re- the Motion you are about to put, be gard to every other object. The right left out, for the purpose of submitting hon. Baronet says, that there are other some proposition for opening Trinity Coldifficulties in the way. There are diffi- lege to Roman Catholics. It is the only culties in the way of every Government, way left, after the manner in which these I am well aware. One of the difficul- institutions have been determined upon by ties which the present Government has the Government. With regard to the Bill

Hughes, W. B.
Hussey, A.
Hussey, T.
Ingestre, Visct.
Inglis, Sir R. H.
Jocelyn, Visct.
Jones, Capt.
Kemble, H.
Ker, D. S.
Lefroy, A.
Lennox, Lord A.
Liddell, hon. H. T.
Lockhart, W.
Lincoln, Earl of
Lowther, Sir J. H.
Lowther, hon. Col.
Lygon, hon. Gen.
Mackenzie, T.
Mackenzie, W. F.
McNeill, D.

Manners, Lord C. S.
Martin, C. W.
Masterman, J.
Maxwell, hon. J. P.
Meynell, Capt.
Mildmay, H. St. J.
Mundy, E. M.
Nicholl, rt. hn. J.
Norreys, Lord
Packe, C. W.
Palmer, R.

Palmer, G.

Patten, J. W.

Peel, rt. hn. Sir R.
Peel, J.

Somerton, Visct.

Spooner, R.

Stewart, J.

Stuart, H.

Sutton, hon. H. M.

Taylor, E.

Tennent, J. E.

Thesiger, Sir F. Thornhill, G. Trench, Sir F. W. Trevor, hon. G. R. Trollope, Sir J. Tyrell, Sir J. T. Vernon, G. H. Vivian, J. E. Waddington, H. S. Wellesley, Lord C. Wood, Col. T. Wortley, hon. J. S. Wortley, hn. J. S.

Pennant, hon. Col.

Pringle, A.

Pusey, P.

Baring, H.

List of the NOES.

Archbold, R.

Duncannon, Visct.

Baine, W.

Dundas, F.

Bannerman, A.

Ebrington, Visct.

Barnard, E. G.

Ellice, E.

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TELLERS.

Young, J.

Butler, P. S.

Byng, G.

Byng, rt. hn. G. S.
Carew, hon. R. S.
Chapman, B.
Christie, W. G.

Colborne, hn.W.N.R.
Collett, J.

Craig, W. G.

Crawford, W. S.

Curteis, H. B.

Denison, J. E.

Dennistoun, J.

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D'Eyncourt, rt. hn. C. Listowel, Earl of

Duncan, Visct.

itself, I shall cheerfully give my vote for the third reading, although it is by no means a perfect measure, and although I

com

still think it wants much to make it
But seeing its liberal character,
plete.
and seeing that it is entirely free from all
religious tests, and that you do not in-
tend to inflict that injustice upon Ireland
which you seem so resolutely determined
to maintain in this country, I shall give it

my support.

The House divided on the Question, that the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Question :-Ayes 168; Noes 91 Majority 77.

List of the AYES.

Acland, Sir T. D.

Barrington, Visct.
Bateson, T.

Douglas, Sir H.
Douglas, Sir C. L.
Duncombe, hon. A.
Duncombe, hon. O.

Rashleigh, W.
Repton, G. W. J.
Richards, R.
Rolleston, Col.
Rous, hon. Capt.
Rumbold, C. E.
Sanderson, R.
Scott, hon. F.
Seymour, Sir H. B.
Shaw, rt. hn. F.
Sibthorp, Col.

Smith, rt. hn, T. B. C.
Smollett, A.
Somerset, Lord G.

Damer, hon. Col.

A'Court, Capt.

Darby, G.

Acton, Col.

Denison, E. B.

Adderley, C. B.

Dick, Q.

Antrobus, E.

Dickinson, F. H.

Archdall, Capt. M.

Dodd, G.

Arkwright, G.

Astell, W.

Baillie, Col.

Baird, W.

Balfour, J. M.

East, J. B.

Barkly, H.

Eastnor, Visct.

Baring, T.

Emlyn, Visct.

Baring, rt. hon. W. B.

Entwisle, W.

Escott, B.

Estcourt, T. G. B.

Benbow, J.

Fitzmaurice, hon. W.

Bentinck, Lord G.

Fitzroy, hon. H.

Beresford, Major

Flower, Sir J.

Bernard, Visct.

Forman, T. S.

Blackburne, J. I.

Fremantle, rt.hn.SirT.

Boldero, H. G.

Fuller, A. E.

Borthwick, P.

Gaskell, J. Milnes

Botfield, B.

Gladstone, rt.hn, W. E.

Bowles, Adm.

Bramston, T. W.

Gladstone, Capt.
Gordon, hon. Capt.

Brisco, M.

Gore, M.

Broadley, H.
Bruce, Lord E.

Goulburn, rt. hn. H.

Graham, rt. hn. Sir J.

Grimston, Visct.

Hale, R. B.

Bruges, W. H. L.

Buck, L. W.
Buller, Sir J. Y:
Burrell, Sir C. M.

Burroughes, H. N.
Campbell, Sir H.
Cardwell, E.

Carew, W. H. P.
Chelsea, Visct.
Clayton, R. R.

Clerk, rt. hon. Sir G.

Clive, Visct.

Clive, hon. R. H.

Cockburn,rt. hn.Sir G.

Cole, hon. H. A.

Coote, Sir C. II.

Granby, Marq. of
Greene, T.

Halford, Sir H.

Hamilton, C. J. B.
Hamilton, G. A.
Hamilton, W. J.
Hamiltou, Lord C.
Harris, hon. Capt.
Henley, J. W.
Herbert, rt. hn. S.

Hope, Sir J.

Hope, hon. C.

Hope, A.

Hope, G. W.

Corry, rt. hn. H.

Cowper, hon. W. F.
Cripps, W.

Hotham, Lord

Hornby, J.

Houldsworth, T.

Duncan, G.

McTaggart, Sir J.

Mangles, R. D.

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On the main Question being again put, Sir R. H. Inglis stated, that it was made a boast, that now, for the first time, an institution, founded by the State, had been established without any regard to religion. Her Majesty's Government would either fail in making a system of education without religion in Ireland, or the professors would circulate their own peculiar doctrines. He moved that the Bill be read a third time that day three months.

Viscount Ebrington could not find for what class of students these Colleges were designed, or whom they would benefit, and not having any confidence that the Government would conduct them satisfactorily, must vote against the Bill. these grounds he should support the Amendment.

On

Brotherton, J.
Bruce, Lord E.
Bruges, W. H. L.
Byng, rt. hn. G. S.
Cardwell, E.
Carew, hon. R. S.
Cavendish, hon. C. C.
Cavendish, hon. G. H.
Chapman, B.
Chelsea, Visct.
Christie, W. D.
Clayton, R. R.
Clerk, rt. hon. Sir G.
Clive, hon. R. H.

Cockburn,rt.hon.SirG
Collett, J.
Coote, Sir C. H.
Corry, right hon. H.
Craig, W, G.
Crawford, W. S.
Cripps, W.
Curteis, H. B.
Damer, hon, Col.
Denison, J. E.
Denison, E. B.
Deunistoun, J,
D'Eyncourt, rt.hn.C.T.
Dodd, G.
Douglas, Sir C. E.
Duncan, Visct.

Duncombe, hon. A.
East, J. B.
Emlyn, Visct.
Entwisle, W.
Escott, B.
Ewart, W.
Ferguson, Sir R. A.
Fitzroy, hon. II.
Flower, Sir J.
Forster, M.
Fremantle, rt. hn.SirT.
Gaskell, J. M.
Gibson, T. M.
Gladstone, rt.hn.W.E.
Gladstone, Capt.
Gordon, hon. Capt.
Gore, M.
Gore, hn. R. O.
Goulburn, rt. hon. H.
Graham, rt. hon. Sir J.
Greene, T.
Grimston, Visct.
Hale, R. B.
Halford, Sir II.
Hamilton, C. J. B.
Hamilton, G. A.
Hamilton, W. J.
Hamilton, Lord C.
Harris, hon. Capt.
Hawes, B.

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Ponsonby, hon. C. F.
Pusey, P.
Rawdon, Col.
Redington, T. N.
Repton, G. W. J.
Rolleston, Col.
Ross, D. R.
Rous, hon. Capt.
Rumbold, C. E.
Russell, Lord J.
Sanderson, R.
Sandon, Visct.
Scott, hon. F.
Seymour, Sir H. B.
Shaw, rt. hon. F.
Smith, J. A.

Mr. Speaker said, that the Amendment could not be put in its present form. Sir R. Inglis; Then I shall content myself with giving a simple negative to the proposition.

The House again divided on the Question that the Bill be now read a third time:- Ayes 177; Noes 26: Majority

151.

List of the AYES.

Acland, Sir T. D.
A'Court, Capt.

Aglionby, H. A.

Archbold, R.

Astell, W.

Baillie, Col.

Baine, W.

Baird, W.

Balfour, J. M.

Barkly, H.

Baring, T.

Barrington, Viset.
Bateson, T.
Bellew, R. M.
Benbow, J.

Bentinck, Lord G.
Blackburne, J. I.
Boldero, H. G.

Borthwick, P.

Botfield, B.

Bowes, J.

Bowles, Adm.

Baring, rt hon. W. B. Brisco, M.

Herbert, rt. hn, S.
Hollond, R.
Hope, Sir J.

Hope, hon. C.
Hope, G. W.
Hotham, Lord

Houldsworth, T.

Smith, rt. hn. T. B. C
Smythe, hon. G.

Smollett, A.

Somerset, Lord G.

Somerville, Sir W. M.

Stansfield, W. R. C.
Stanton, W. II,

Stewart, J.

Stuart, Lord J.

Sutton, hon. H, M.

Tennent, J. E.

Thesiger, Sir F.
Towneley, J.
Trench, Sir F. W.
Trevor, hon. G, R.
Trollope, Sir J.
Tufnell, H.
Tyrell, Sir J. T.
Vernon, G. H.
Vivian, J. E.

Warburton, H.
Wawn, J. T.
Wellesley, Lord C.
Williams, W.
Wortley, hon. J. S.
Wortley, hon. J. S.
Yorke, II. R.

TELLERS.

Young, J.
Baring, H.

List of the NOES.

Wakley, T.

Walsh, Sir J. B.

Adderly, C. B,

Archdall, Capt. M.

Arkwright, G.

Bramston, T. W.

Broadley, H.

Buck, L. W.

Buller, Sir J. Y.

Carew, W. H. P.
Clive, Visct.
Dickinson, F. H.
Duncombe, hon. O.
Ebrington, Visct.
Estcourt, T. G. B.
Fitzmaurice, hon. W.
Fuller, A. E.

Henley, J. W.
Hornby, J.
Kemble, H.
Lowther, hon. Col.
O'Brien, W. S.
O'Connell, M. J.
Rashleigh, W.
Richards, R.
Sibthorp, Col.
Spooner, R.
Waddington, H. S.

TELLERS.

Inglis, Sir R. H.
Hope, A.

Bill read a third time and passed.

rest and to the seamen themselves belonging to the Port of Liverpool and other great ports extensively concerned in the Foreign and Colonial trade, as well as many others; and because it would sacrifice their interests to those of minor and less well managed ports; and because by amalgamation of the funds, the rates of pension for merchant seamen would be reduced to one scanty rate of uniform inadequacy. This Bill would abolish local funds; deprive first-rate ports and many others, of the superior advantages which they now possessed in an exclusive management of their own funds, and take from them the means and the power of providing for the widows and children of seamen. But very imperfectly should they discharge their duty to the mercantile marine of this country, the true basis of its commercial and naval power, if they did not devise some more comprehensive measure, by which a fund might be formed, sufficient to provide for the relief and support of merchant seamen, their widows and children, upon an adequate scale, worthy the munificence of this country; to raise generally the condition of British merchant seamen, and hold out additional inducements to them to remain in the service of their own country, instead of wasting their youth and their strength under the flag of Foreign States, Sir Howard Douglas said, as the Mover returning only when worn out, to seek in of the Resolution embodied in the Report their own land, provision for old age, from for the postponement of this Bill, he would, funds too scanty for the relief and support with the permission of the House, say a of those who devoted their use and strength few words in reply to the reference made to the service of the British marine. Such to him. The Resolution which he pro-a comprehensive measure might, he (Sir posed was seconded by his hon. Friend the Member for London (Mr. Lyall), and vigorously supported by another hon. Member, now no more, whose untimely death this House must lament, his Friends mourn, and the mercantile marine of this country might justly deplore. So sustained, the Resolution was agreed to by a large majority; and he (Sir Howard Douglas) hoped that Her Majesty's Government would give effect to that Resolution, by moving the postponement of this Bill till the next Session of Parliament. Having been a member of the Merchant Seamen's Fund Committees of the last and the present Session, he had ample means and opportunities of considering, deeply, the important subject of forming a Merchant Seamen's Fund, adequate to the wants and necessities of the mercantile marine. He objected to the present Bill, because it was, in principle, unjust, and injurious to the shipping inte

MERCHANT SEAMEN'S FUND.] Order of the Day for receiving the Report of the Merchant Seamen's Fund Bill in order to be postponed.

H. Douglas) thought, be devised. He was not prepared to indicate the sources from which its means might be drawn, nor to detail the process or machinery by which such a measure might be carried out. This however, he would say, that he relied on the public spirit and liberality of that great shipping and trading community, of which he had the honour to be one of the Representatives, that they would cordially and liberally co-operate with the shipowners of the United Kingdom, generally, with a view to devise some comprehensive measure that might really be adequate to the great and important objects in view, deserving the favourable consideration of Her Majesty's Government, and which he hoped would be met by the liberality of that House, as he was sure it would with the universal approbation of the country. That he had not overrated the public spirit and liberality of that great

shipping community with which he had the honour to be connected, he would request the permission of the House to read a passage from the Report of the proceedings of a Meeting of the Committee of the Shipowners' Association of Liverpool, expressly assembled to take into consideration the course which he (Sir Howard Douglas) had taken with respect to this Bill, and with reference to the Motion of which the hon. Member for South Shields had given notice, to recommit that Bill. That meeting came unanimously to the following resolution:

3 and passed:-Documentary Evidence; Real Property
(Lord Chancellor); Seal Office Abolition.
Private.-1 Brighton and Chichester Railway (Ports-
mouth Extension); Guildford, Chichester, and Ports-
mouth Railway; Glasgow, Barrhead, and Neilston Di
rect Railway; Direct London and Portsmouth Rail-
way.

2. Preston and Wyre Railway; Runcorn and Preston
Brook Railway; Norwich and Brandon Railway (Diss
and Dereham Branches); Glasgow Junction Railway;
Bermondsey Improvement; Londonderry and Coleraine
Railway.
Reported.-Middlesbro' and Redcar Railway; Waterford
and Limerick Railway; Dublin and Drogheda Railway;
Newry and Enniskillen Railway; North Union and
Ribble Navigation Branch Railway; Irish Great Western
Railway (Dublin to Galway); Cromford Canal; Rever-
sionary Interest Society.

3a and passed:-Cork and Bandon Railway; Lynn and
Dereham Railway; Glossop Gas; Great Southern and
Western Railway (Ireland); Cockermouth and Work-
ington Railway; North Walsham School Estate (Lord
Wodehouse's).

PETITIONS PRESENTED. From Stockholders and others of the Colony, residing at Maneroo, for Alteration of Law relating to Territorial Revenue and Disposal of Land (New South Wales).

"This Committee, therefore, earnestly request Sir Howard Douglas to persevere in his intention to meet Mr. Wawn's proposal by a direct negative, authorizing Sir Howard, at the same time, to assure Her Majesty's Government of the entire readiness and anxious wish of this Committee, to concur in any well matured and comprehensive proposal, for ameliorating the condition of the seaman; tendPRIVILEGE.] The Lord Chancellor ing, while in health and strength, to improve laid upon the Table the Report from the his condition, and to retain him in the service Committee appointed to search for Preof his own country, and to increase the pro- cedents in reference to the petition of vision made for him when old or disabled-Thomas Baker for Protection. Read, and objects which this Committee are prepared to ordered to lie on the Table; and to be recommend to the shipowners at large, even at the price of submitting to further taxation printed. themselves."

the favourable

He (Sir Howard Douglas) had read this
resolution to the House with pride and
satisfaction; and in the admirable terms in
which it was expressed, he would appeal to
the shipowners of the United Kingdom
generally, to meet cordially the invitation
which this resolution held out, and would
earnestly recommend to
consideration of Her Majesty's Government
to meet, in that spirit, any such practicable
and comprehensive proposition as the great
body of the shipping interest of the United
Kingdom might be prepared to suggest, on
a future occasion, with a view to the adop-
tion of such a comprehensive measure as
that indicated in the Report now under
consideration, in lieu of proceeding with
this Bill.

Sir G. Clerk regretted the necessity for postponement, but hoped that during the recess a more comprehensive measure might be devised.

Further consideration of the Report postponed till next Session.

House adjourned at two o'clock.

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The Duke of Richmond would now

move that Thomas Baker be called to the

bar, to deliver in the declaration he had received.

he would recommend: The Report was of some length, and it would be some time before it could be printed, and in the hands of their Lordships. He would merely now call the petitioner before them to identify the transaction; after which the plaintiff and his attorney, if their names could be ascertained, should be ordered to attend on Monday. By that time the Report would be printed, and before any other step, such as calling them to the bar, was adopted, there might be a discussion; and those noble Lords who dissented from the course proposed might state their objections.

The Lord Chancellor stated the course

Lord Campbell entirely approved of the course proposed by his noble and learned Friend.

Lord Radnor had no objection to the course, except that when the petition was presented, a Committee had been appointed to search for precedents; and now, when the Report had only been handed in, and not printed, they were I called upon to take a step.

The Lord Chancellor did not consider

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