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ance, vice, and habitual vagrancy, and the duty of carrying out the objects of the

1 often prematurely cut off by want and Poor Law. Such a measure, the details of disease, the consequence of neglect, should which are perfectly practicable, but would be trained to early habits of discipline and of course require much attention, would, I industry, and receive such an education as am convinced, bring the Poor Law into may fit them to become afterwards useful speedy and beneficial operation all over the and good members of society. Such an country; and for statistical purposes, and education, I am happy to say, they now to arrive at an exact knowledge of the real do receive in every well-regulated work- surplus or unemployed population of Irehouse in Ireland. But, great as these ad- land, would be of the greatest importance, vantages must be viewed by every friend especially at the present time, when a disto humanity, equal consideration is also position to review the laws relating to the due to the interests of the industrious poor occupation and management of land is -to those who seek not to be relieved in manifested by the Legislature, and a dethe workhouse, but who look to the Poor sire for the improvement of the circumLaw to relieve them from the sturdy beg- stances and prospects of the population has gar and the idle vagrant-but who are still become so general. Some addition to the compelled, although subject to a poor rate, workhouse classification would, indeed, be to give them food and shelter in their own rendered necessary, in order to let in perdwellings, and from their scanty earnings. sons of either sex of doubtful or blemished The addition to the poor rate, by the en characters: this, however, would be easily actment of a law against vagrancy, would provided for by some slight alterations in be as nothing compared with the benefit the idiot and lunatic wards, which, both on to these ratepayers and to the community. the male and female sides of the poor It would, indeed, be a gratifying circum- houses, are at present almost invariably stance if the absence of the able-bodied, in vacant, and, I may add, an act suitable for general, from the workhouses, were owing their original purposes. It would not be to their earning their bread by honest in- fair by the destitute poor of unblemished dustry; but this cannot be said to be the character to be, upon their admission to the case where mendicancy prevails to so great workhouse, necessarily associated with peran extent, and where outrages, for which sons whose destitution may have resulted non-employment and consequent destitu- from their very habits of vice and profligacy; tion are pleaded as the excuse, are almost and, on the other hand, it is practically of daily occurrence, and systematically per- driving such persons to desperation and petrated. So generally have the able- crime, and denying them a locus pænitentiæ, bodied mendicant, unless in sickness, ab- if, while you afford them no out-door relief, stained from applying for workhouse relief, you, at the same time, refuse them admisthat in many establishments it is scarcely sion to the workhouses. Relief given in possible to have even the necessary work classes thus separate from the other inmates performed without hired assistance, in con- of the workhouses, there would be an insequence of the present pauper inmates centive to good behaviour, as a new charconsisting almost entirely of the bedridden, acter might be earned by good conduct, the feeble, the crippled, the blind, the and the paupers, from time to time, prosick, and children of tender years. There moted to those classes in which they would would, therefore, be little difficulty in have been at once placed had their characfinding work as well as workhouse accom- ters before admission justified it. I have modation for such as are really destitute observed, in reference to the introduction of any other resource, thus ridding the of a Vagrancy Act, that an efficient system country of the continued exhibition of a of workhouse inspection would be necessary state of destitution that cannot be said to to maintain that uniformity of discipline be real, where such a provision has been and general management which should made for it. It is very observable that place the workhouses all upon a footing of there is a reluctance in some Unions to equality in respect to the comforts of the bring the Poor Law at all into operation. I inmates. If your Lordships were to require would say, my Lords, that in such Unions returns of the inspections given to those as bave not their union houses open for institutions, either by the Commissioners or the reception of the destitute, the law by the Poor Law Guardians, you might be against vagrancy should not be enforced ; surprised to find that in many houses weeks, or rather it should be proclaimed and en- and in others whole months, pass over withforced only where the guardians perform out any inspection having taken place. I


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do not, in saying this, mean to cast any | necessary for carrying the Act into execureflection either upon the Poor Law Com- tion. It would relieve the ratepayers from missioners or upon the guardians of the the vexation of frequent and minute colpoor-the duties of both are sufficiently lections, to have but one rate imposed in

I cannot join with those who the year ; and I think that rate should be think the Poor Law Commissioners are collected simultaneously, and by the same sinecurists, although I have not been slow officers as the grand jury rate. The adto find fault with acts of their administra- vantage to the ratepayers of having but tion: it would, however, be impossible to one call upon them in the course of the charge upon them the duty of regular year, is noticed in the Report of the Land workhouse inspection ; and, as to the guar- Commission. From that Report, it also apdians, they are in general persons whose pears, that the injustice has sometimes been avocations leave them little time to give up done to tenants at will of not allowing more than the duty of ordinary attendance them the portion of the poor rate they were at the meetings of the board. It is, there intended to stop from their landlords' rent. fore, necessary to look elsewhere for the Such cases are, I trust, of rare occurrence; machinery of inspection. When my noble but where they do occur, they are most Friend (Lord St. Germans) was Secretary unjust and illegal, and must necessarily for Ireland, I took the liberty of urging impede the success of the Poor Law, as upon the Government, through him, the does also the practice, which is very propriety of imposing the same duties of general, of making valuations too low, by inspection upon the workhouse chaplains which means it often happens that the as are performed by chaplains of gaols. In whole burden is shifted from the tenant doing so, I was certainly animated by the upon the landlord, in place of both having desire of also having them placed, Protest- | an equal interest in the economical mans ant and Roman Catholic, upon the same agement of the Poor Law. I have adfooting of equality in respect of salary as verted to these points, and more particuunder the Gaol Act, which had been so larly to the want of a Vagrancy Act, as generally satisfactory; for I felt, and still they appear to me to require the prompt feel, that it was a most impolitic act, as and serious consideration of the Governwell as an injustice, and an uncalled for ment, and because Members of Parliament insult to the clergy of the Established are sometimes reproached for finding fault Church, to place them upon a footing of in- with the measures of Government, withferiority, in any respect, to the ministers of out pointing out how they should be any other denomination. I am sensible amended. I do not think that any more that in the present disposition of Her Ma- important subject with reference to Ireland jesty's Government, no alteration could be could engage the attention of the Governmade in this respect; and I, therefore, do ment than the Poor Law; and I am satisnot press it, but simply suggest, that as the fied that if it be properly carried out, it chaplains do visit, and certainly ought to would tend more than any other measure visit the work houses with regularity, what to improve the social condition of the counever the amount of remuneration allowed try, and possibly to hasten the development to them, they should be required, Protest- of its agricultural resources. Having stated ant and Roman Catholic, alternately to so much, it only remains for me to ask, on make reports of their observations upon the behalf of the many who are interested in obedience given to the workhouse orders the subject, whether—as no inquiry is to and discipline-upon the quality of the take place, or Bill to be brought forward provisions, and of any complaint of any in this Session, for the amendment either inmate of the House. This would involve of the laws relating to medical charities, or little or no additional trouble, and need not of the Poor Law-it is the intention of Her be accompanied with any controlling power Majesty's Government to take the subject whatever, nor should it supersede the ne- into their consideration during the recess, cessity of occasional inspection by visiting with a view to amending or altering those committees of the guardians. There are laws in the ensuing Session of Parliament? other improvements in the Poor Law much Lord Stanley said, there was no doubt needed, and defects in it that call londly for a now of the maintenance of the Poor Law remedy. I agree with the petitioners in think- in Ireland; but if the noble Lord was of ing that the powers of the Commissioners opinion that an inquiry should take place ought to be reviewed, and that they ought with reference to it at the commencement not to have greater powers than are clearly of the next Session of Parliament, he (Lord


Stanley) was authorized to say that there non and Mr. Moffatt, from Yass and Illewara (New South

Wales), for Repeal of certain Acts relating to that com would be no objection on the part of Her

lony.-By Mr. T. Duncombe, from Leigh, for Inquiry Majesty's Government to such an inquiry, into the Anatomy Act.—By Mr. S. Crawford, from Co. and that the subject of the Irish Poor Law, ventry, against Commons' Inclosure Bill. --- By Mr. Pusey,

from Surrey, in favour of Commons' Inclosure Bill.-By involving the important question of me

Mr. Tuffnell, from the County of Cornwall, for Alteration dical relief, should be submitted to the con- of the Duchy of Cornwall Lands Act.-By Lord George sideration of a Committee in this or the

Bentinck and Mr. M. Sutton, from King's Lynn and

Cambridge, for Repeal or Alteration of Insolvent Debtors' other House of Parliament. The Govern

Act.-By Mr. J. Collett, from Poor Law Guardians of ment were not prepared to recommend the the Athlone Union, for Alteration of Law relating to introduction of any Vagrant Act, consider

Landlord and Tenant (Ireland).--By Mr. T. Duncombe,

from Joseph Digby, Esquire, for Inquiry into Treatment ing the impossibility of putting down men

of Lunatics.- By Mr. T. Duncombe, from Mansfield, dicancy in Ireland, and the expense of for Removal of Treadwheel in Mansfield Union.-By Mr. attempting to do so; nor, as at present ad

Divett, from Edward Carter, Ottery St. Mary, against

the Physic and Surgery Bill.—By Mr. Bannerman, and vised, were they prepared to legislate on

several hon. Members, from the County of York, in fathe question of medical relief.

He did not vour of the Ten Hours' Factories Bill.-By Viscount deny that the present law might be, in

Castlereagh, from County Down, for Alteration of the

Grand Jury Laws (Ireland).—By Mr. W. Fielden, from some respects, deficient; but, till the fullest

Blackburn, for Repeal or Alteration of Insolvent Debtors' inquiry should be made into the working Act.-By Mr. Smith O'Brien, from the Loyal National of the whole law next Session, they were

Repeal Association (Ireland), for Alteration of Law re

lating to Landlord and Tenant (Ireland).-By Mr. Tatton not prepared to advise any further amend.

Egerton, and Mr. Wakley, from Birkenhead and a great ment of the existing law.

number of places, for Postponement of Physic and Sur. The Marquess of Londonderry said, he

gery Bill. had opposed the introduction of a Poor Commons' ENCLOSURE BILL.] The Law into Ireland; but it having been in- House met this day at twelve o'clock, troduced, he hoped their Lordships would and devoted the morning to consider the give it a fair trial, and he was convinced it Commons' Enclosure Bill in Committee; would prove in the end a beneficial law. which, with some conversational discusIf their Lordships would pass a Bill forsion on the separate clauses, was carried leaving Ireland alone for three or five years, through as far as the 70th Clause, when it it would be one of the best measures ever being four o'clock, the House resumed, introduced.

and the Committee was ordered to sit The Marquess of Clanricarde had had no again. reason to change the opinion he entertained

The House adjourned till five o'clock, from the first, that a Poor Law would be and then met again. productive of no good for Ireland. He had petitions from all parts of Ireland—one South Wales RailwaY.] Mr. E. from the extreme west, and another from Buller ought up the Report on the the extreme east—all stating that men- South Wales Railway, and the Monmouth dicancy had increased since its introduction, and Hereford Railway Bills. and he had himself been a witness to the Mr. J. H. Vivian moved that the Reincrease of mendicancy in the streets. The port be considered on Friday next. Poor Law had failed in every respect, and

Captain Berkeley thought that they disappointed those who had brought it in. should not depart from the usual course

Petitions read, and ordered to lie on the of proceeding, namely, of taking the ReTable.

ports on Railway Bills into consideration House adjourned.

on Tuesdays.

Mr. Greene said, it was most necessary HOUSE OF COMMONS, that the rules of the House should be ob

served, because if they were departed Tuesday, July 8, 1845.

from in one instance, they would be interMINUTES.] Bills. Public.-1o. Ecclesiastical Patronage rered wjib in others.

(I reland); Art Unions (No. 2). Reported.—Colleges (Ireland); Scientific and Literary So.

Lord Granville Somerset said, any decieties ; Bills of Exchange,&c.; Schoolmasters (Scotland). lay in Railway Bills was most maierial 3o. and passed ;-Field Gardens; Turnpike Trusts (South Wales); Constables, Public Works (Ireland).

at this advanced period of the Session; Private.—9o. Manchester and Leeds Railway (No. 2); and in the present instance if the Motion Gildart's (or Sherwin's) Estate.

of the hon. Member were not acceded to, Reported.--South Wales Railway; Monmouth and Hereford Railway.

The effect would be that a most important Petitions Presented. By Mr. Botfirld, from Hereford, railway would be delayed for another for Compensation (Ecclesiastical Courts Bill).-By Sir

Session. James Graham and Mr. Oswald, from several places, agalost the Universities (Scotland) Bill.-By Mr. Mackin.

Mr. Labouchere said, he had only a


general knowledge on the subject of the Viscount Howick said, he was exceed. Railway Bill under consideration, and he ingly averse 10 applying favours to one did not wish to do anything which would Railway Bill which were not extended to have the effect of preventing the Bill from others; but though he knew nothing of passing this Session. It was, however, the particular merits of the South very well known that the project for the Wales line, he would say generally, South Wales Railway was supported by that he thought railways ought to get powerful interests having much influence particular indulgence this Session. The in that House; and he would ask, were House required the promoters of all lines They, under such circumstances, to depart to lay their plans in the first instance from the Standing Orders in favour of a before the Railway Department of the Bill so supported, while they declined Board of Trade, and suspended all prodoing so in other cases.

ceedings upon the Bills until the Reports Mr. Vivian said, his Motion went no of the Board were made. They Thus further than that the Report should be threw back all the railway schemes for a taken into consideration on Friday instead full month of the Session later than they of on Tuesday; and he did not think, might otherwise have been brought forward, therefore, that it could be seriously ob- and he thought that circumstance ought to jecied to al the present advanced period induce them now to show some indulgence of the Session.

to the promoters of these schemes in enMr. Sheil said, he had no personal con abling them to have their Bills passed. He nexion with the measure, but as an Irish did not think that any substantial injury Member connected more particularly with or injustice would be done by acceding the south of Ireland, he felt a very great to the Motion before the House, and he interest in the advancement of his country was, therefore, disposed to vote in favour generally, and more especially with that of it. He should, however do so only on portion of it to which he more immediately the understanding that a similar indulbelonged. He believed the interests of gence would be extended to other Railway Ireland would be materially promoted by Bills. the proposed railway; and he could assure Motion agreed to. the House that this was the opinion of the Representatives of the south of Ireland PETITION OF CAPTAIN BERKELEY.] Mr. generally; and he should, therefore, give Warburton moved that the Order of the Day his support to the Motion of his hon. be read for the consideration of the petiFriend. He believed, from the position tion of Captain Craven Berkeley relative of the districts through which the proposed to the East India Steam Ship Company railway would pass, and the south of Ire. Bill, and the action brought against him land, that they would be reciprocally be by Mr. Scott. The hon. Member prenefited by it—that what was for the bene- sented the petition from the gallant Capfit of South Wales was for the benefit also tain, praying that the House would allow of Ireland; and, on the other hand, that its officers to attend a trial, in which he whatever would benefit Ireland, would, was defendant, in the Court of Common at the same time, benefit South Wales. Pleas, and moved that the prayer of the He would bey to remind Members of petition be complied with. Her Majesty's Government that the First Mr. Baine was understood to say that Minister of the Crown had stated with he had been requested by Messrs. Scott, reference to an Irish railway, that he the plaintiffs in the action to which the would not consent to allow small obstruc- petition referred, to state to the House the tions to lie in the way of it; and that the facts of this case. lo 1840 Messrs. Scott interests of Ireland were so deeply in. had entered into a contract with the comvolved in the passing of the measure that pany in question to furnish them with a the Government should exert itself to ship for India, at an expense of 35,0001. promole it. He did not mean to say that The manner in which the ship was built The Bill now under the consideration of the increased the expense to 40,0001. Messrs. House was of equal importance with the Scoli, in entering upon this contract, had Irish Bill 10 which he had alluded; but had before them ihe prospectus of this still he thought it belonged to the same company, containing the name of the hon. class, and he should, therefore, give it his Member for Cheltenham. That prospectus support.

bad been extensively circulated, with the name of the hon. Member in it. In ad- ders, that no Company proposing to dition to this they had had before them include, in the act of its incorporaan Act of Parliament authorizing the for- tion, a list of the directors, should be mation of the company, and also includ- permitted to do so, till the Standing ing amongst its original subscribers the Orders' Committee should have received å name of the hon, and gallant Member. list of such directors. And no Company They had all along, therefore, thought that should be permitted to use the name of they might come upon him as a partner any director, unless such director should in the contract, if the other contractors have given his written consent, which failed to perform their part of their con- should be registered in a book accessible tract. The contract had not been fulfilled, to all the world. This was an act of a and the Messrs. Scott had lost 50,0001. public nature, that was to say, it might be by it. Under these circumstances they pleaded as a public act; and if all men had brought an action against the Secre- were bound to know the laws, more espe. tary of the Company, and had got judg- cially were they bound to know the laws ment against him. They had since brought who had a voice in passing them; therean action against the hon. and gallant fore they ought to know what names were Member for Cheltenham, as the only di- inserted in every Bill. rector within their reach. On the former Motion agreed to. trial, the evidence of the officers of the

Right OF SEARCHING AMERICAN House had been requested, but the House VesseLS.) Mr. Sheil inquired of the right had thought fit to refuse it. The defend- hon. Baronet at the head of the Governant now, however, said, that their absence ment what was the number of American would be prejudicial to his cause. He vessels over which we had exercised the did not know how this might be; but right of visiting since the Treaty of Washwhether so or not, Messrs. Scott had no ington was signed ? desire that the evidence of the officers

Sir R. Peel said, that the number of should be withheld.

vessels visited had been


considerable. Lord G. Somerset said, when the peti. He trusted, however, that the right hon. tion was presented the other night, he was Gentleman would not require a specificaopposed to it, only because he thought lion of the exact number, when he inthat what was sought to be proved could formed him that the right of visiting had be proved by other means than the attend- been exercised in every case where a vesance of the officers of the House. As the sel had excited a reasonable suspicion. hon. Member for Cheltenham, however, He was happy to be able to add, that the feared that the withholding these witnesses exercise of that right had hitherto not led might prejudice his case, he saw no rea

to any injurious consequences, nor had it son why ihe House should not alter its provoked any ill-feeling on the part of any decision.

portion of the American squadron which Mr. C. Berkeley said, he was now, as had acted in co-operation with us. Per. he had been when the petition of the haps the House would allow him to read plaintiffs was presented, only anxious for the two latest communications received by the fullest inquiry. He desired the attend the Government from the coast of Africa; ance of the parties in question, only be one as to a case where the Right of Search cause he thought that the plaintiffs' coun- was exercised by a British cruiser alone, sel would be able to prejudice the case in after the signing of the Treaty of Washthe eyes of the jury, if the powerful shield ington, and the other where there was a of that House appeared to be thrown over co-operation between the combined Engone of its Members. With regard to the lish and American squadrons. The first case itself, he could assure the House that letter was as follows :he was no more conscious of his name « ENCLOSURE OF A LETTER TO THE SECRETARY having been inserted in the Act of Parlia- OF THE ADMIRALTY, OF THE 20TH OF MAY, ment as a director of the company, than 1845. any other hon. Member of that House.

Her Majesty's Brig Heroine, at sea, As the question was now a judicial one,

April 22. 1845.

“ Sir-In obedience to the orders contained he would, however, add no more upon it.

in the general instructions for commanders of Sir R. Inglis took the opportunity of Her Majesty's vessels employed in the supsuggesting that it would be desirable to pression of the Slave Trade, I beg leave to nake an addition to the Standing Or- inform you that on the 22nd 'ultimo, I visited

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