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the study of the figure was introduced cil to the House of Commons passed over under Mr. Bell; a dispute arose with the differences in silence; only the slightest Lord Sydenham on the subject; the study reference was made to them in a portion was discontinued, and to that might be of one paragraph. There was not a word attributed the decline of the school. As about the dismission of Mr. Herbert; the to the constitution of the school at Somer- Report was an attempt to deceive and set-house, he agreed with the hon. Member practise a delusion on the House. The for Coventry that it was doubtful whether facts most material to the utility of the its government should be intrusted to a establishment were entirely concealed. board. He had no faith in the divided Mr. Herbert's dismissal was an insult to government that existed under boards, that gentleman, and an injustice to the and he believed the right hon. Baronet the students; a gentleman of higher attainHome Secretary would incline to the same ments and capability could not be found opinion. He would rather see some one in the country-he was universally reperson responsible to that House. In a spected in the school, and was dismissed council of many members there would be on account of a difference with the direcsure to be parties, or, the greater number tor. He thought there ought to be a fair absenting themselves from idleness, the inquiry. He understood, out of the twentyreal authority fell into the hands of five or four members of the Council, only four six. He had no wish to use such a word were present when Mr. Herbert was disas “job;" but in this case things had a missed; and, besides this, he had heard tendency to become such in the hands of that when a reconciliation was talked of a junta. He thought there ought to be between Mr. Herbert and the director, one an inquiry, and if the hon. Member di- of the four said, they must put a stop to vided, he should support him.
this! The students merely complained of Mr. Wakley had hoped that one of the Mr. Wilson's incompetency, and he Council would have offered his opinion to thought they would not have risked such the House, and was surprised the hon. a complaint without cause. The Council Member for Lambeth had not done so. never inquired into the justice of their No answer had been given to the state complaint, but dismissed them at once : ment of the bon. Member for Coventry; was it to go forth to all the schools in the the hon. Baronet (Sir G. Clerk) had un- country, that the students must not comdertaken the task, but the hon. Baronet plain of their masters, under pain of dismust feel he had not discharged it to his missal? The constitution of the school was own satisfaction. He could scarcely have generally defective. It was governed by weighed the case duly when he told the a sort of piebald board ; and with such a House it was a trumpery one. The public board it was perfectly impossible that the money was asked for to be expended on the school would ever be well governed, neischool, and it was alleged to be in a stale ther would it ever be well conducted, while of disorganization; he was also informed, the favoured director was continued in an by persons fully competent to judge, that office to which he was incompetent. His it was conferring little or no benefit on the incompetency laid the foundation of the community. Was this state of things 10 insubordination of the pupils, and the inlast? The Committee was asked for at a fluence of intellect, as a controlling power, Jate period of the Session, and it was al- was necessarily lost, or at least weakened. most impossible then to go into an in- Mr. Hawes said, the hon. Member for quiry; but, would the Government grant Coventry bad received most incorrect ina Committee at the commencement of the formation on this subject. He had also next Session ? Were the allegations made made use of language as regarded the by the students to be passed over unre- Council of which they had a just right io garded? Where was their insubordination, complain. The conduct of the Council or allegations of misconduct on their part? by no means laid them open to the charge Was any charge ever made against them of jobbing, or of being a clique, or of till they complained to the Council ? For having “cooked up” their Report. The making that complaint they were expelled Council laid their Report upon the Table the establishment, and all their expecta- of the House, but they had not dared even tions and prospects blasted. Was the to allude to the fact that they had disinstitution made for the masters or the missed Mr. Herbert, nor would ihe House students ? The Report made by the Coun. I have been aware of the fact had it rot
been for the Motion of his hon. Friend. of jobbers, he (Mr. Hawes) would not conHe said it was not dealing fairly with the sent to an inquiry on such terms. House. He trusted that the right hon. Mr. Wyse could also bear testimony to Baronet would take the whole case into the fulness and fairuess of the inquiry in. his serious attention before the next Ses- stituted by the Council into what he must sion; because, in regard to the fine arts designate as this unfortunate quarrel. He and the position of the working classes in should feel it his duty to oppose the Morespect of them, there could be no more tion as it then stood. important question. He understood that Mr. Hume would advise his hon. Friend from Manchester alone upwards of 20,0001. not to press his Motion. The fact of the was sent abroad for designs. It was true dismissal of a man of so much talent as Mr. that the Report did not allude to the dis- Herbert, indicatedthat there was something missal of Mr. Herbert, and he thought the wrong in the present system. There must Council would not have well discharged be in the Report, he thought, a supprestheir duty to the public, had they filled it sion of some important facts, and he trustwith a detailed account of the unfortunate ed that Her Majesty's Government would squabbling which had broken out in the consent to lay additional information on school. The Council deeply regretted the the Table, in order to enable the House fact; but Mr. Wilson and Mr. Herbert to form a correct judgment. could not agree—the Council failed in Amendment negatived. effecting a reconciliation between them ; and as both gentlemen could not remain POLICE (IRELAND). ] Viscouat Clements in the school, the Council, after deep and moved very anxious consideration, determined “The consideration of the petitions of John that it would be for the interests of the Connif, E. Kirwan, Robert Clegg, and Joseph school that Mr. Wilson should remain Boyd, formerly in the Irish police; and fure director; consequently Mr. Herbert was ther, to recommend some change being made compelled to retire. Mr. Wilson was well in the regulations of that body.” " known to be an eminent artist. He had The noble Lord complained of the system been sent abroad to report on works of quartering whole families on the pubof ancient art; he made his Report, lic, by putting them into the police force, which was laid on the Table of that House, and also of the mode in which the penand it was one which had never been sur sions and superannuation fund were manpassed. The hon. Member passed a high aged. The stipendiary magistrates reeulogium on the talents and fitness of Mr. ceived the largest sums as superannuation Wilson for his situation as director, and allowances in proportion to what they observed that that gentleman had fur- paid to the latter fund, whilst the prinished a Report on ancient art which was vates who paid most, received the least. confessedly the best that had been made, He thought it was altogether improper and which had been considered sufficiently to mix up the magistracy and the pogood to be printed by order of that House. lice, and he could not understand the The hon. Member for Coventry said the principle on which the superannuation school had declined; but the amount allowances to the magistrates were reguof fees received in each year showed that lated. The Government had been much it had gone on progressively. In 1838, abused for the appointment of Major the fees received amounted to 1831. ; in Priestly as Deputy Inspector of Police; 1839, 1671.; in 1840, to 1031.; in 1841, but he (Lord Clements) was happy to to 1331.; in 1842, to 1641. in 1843, to 238l.; compliment them on that step, which he and in 1844, 10 3261. The increase in the believed to be a wise one. number of students was, of course, in the Sir T. Fremantle said, the charge was same proportion. The manufacturers re- not of such a serious nature as to need a garded this school with so much interest, minuie defence, and therefore, he should ihat they applied for and received several of not enter on the question at any length. the students as apprentices to ornamental He reminded the noble Lord that it was work. There was not one of the directors the practice of the army for superior offi. that would not be glad to see any
altera. cers to try inferior, and it was sanctioned lion made that could promote the interest in the police by Act of Parliament. It of the school; but when inquiry was was creditable to the management of sought on the ground that they were a set Colonel M'Gregor, that the noble Lord could bring no stronger charges against COMMITTEE OF SUPPI.Y.] The first the police than those he had made on Question was, that the sum of 3,4102., be this occasion. He (Sir T. Fremantle) re- granted to defray the charges of the Civil gretted the dismissal of some of these Establishment of the Bahama Islands. persons, because he knew that three of Mr. C. Buller wished to make some them were men of good character; but observations on this Vote. The popula. with respect to Boyd's case, that individ- tion of the Bahamas was 25,000, and the ual had stated, that he had applied to local revenue was 21,943. He thought, Lord Clements, because he understood that with such a revenue they ought not that he could procure bim a pension. to come to this country for any more. Boyd, however, had had the full gratuity The great principle of these Colonies allowed by law previously, and so like ought to be that they should cut their wise had the others in question. The coat according to their cloth. He found noble Lord had complained, that the sons in these Votes 5,6701. for judicial officers. of officers were appointed to situations in Then there was an income of 3,2271. for the constabulary; but he (Sir T. Freman- clergymen. Could these Colonies provide tle) thought that was a fact for which the nothing for clergymen? He did not Government should be praised rather than mean to divide the House; but he hoped blamed, as they thus rewarded old and that next Session these Estimates would deserving men, who had served their be brought forward at a better time, and country. With respect to the non-receipt that those who objected to these charges of rewards for the apprehension of offen- on this country would take the opportuders, it arose from the great difficulty in nity of recording their sentiments on the determining the right claimant. The subject. noble Lord had referred to the evidence Vote agreed to. of Colonel M.Gregor; but he was bound On the Question that a sum of 4,0491. to say, that Colonel M'Gregor had the be granted for the Civil Establishment of confidence of his superiors, and that he the Bermudas, eminently deserved it
. In regard to the Mr. C. Buller said, that this was on a military character of the police in Ireland, different footing, as the Bermudas were a he should be very glad that they could penal settlement, but considering that the go about without arms; but the state of population was only 10,000, and the the country rendered it impossible. Un revenue 15,0001., and that this year there der these circumstances he could not agree was a surplus of 1,9071., they ought not to the Motion.
to come and ask of this country a sum of Mr. Sheil wished to ask a question re- 4,0491. specting the distribution of the patronage Mr. G. W. Hope said, that the Berover this force. Under the late Govern- mudas were a great military station, in ment, Colonel M Gregor had appointed, consequence of their being a penal sethe believed, two in three of the vacancies tlement, and that increased the charge. in the chief constables.
This relief had always been given to the Sir T. Fremantle : No, one in three. Colony, for though in some years there
Mr. Sheil wished to ask what was the was a surplus, in others there was a decourse now pursued, and whether the ficiency. recommendation of Colonel M Gregor was Vote agreed to. not considered almost conclusive ?
On the Question that the sum of 3,0701. Sir T. Fremantle said, that no change be granted, to defray the charges of the had been made by the present Govern Civil Establishment at Prince Edward's ment with reference to those appoint- Island, ments. All the inferior posts were placed Mr. C. Buller said, that this was about at Colonel M Gregor's disposal, and of the worst case he knew. The population the superior officers iwo out of Ihree be- of this Colony was nearly 50,000 ; the longed to the Lord Lieutenant, and a revenue was 10,5001.; the island posgreat many were given to the sons of sessed a very rich soil, and an admirofficers. The third belonged to Colonel able climate, and yes we were charged M'Gregor, to promote such officers as be with this additional Estimate. He did considered entitled to promotion. not object to the payment by this country Motion negatived.
of the salary of the Lieutenant Governor, House in Committee.
for he thought the most prudent course would be to defray from the public funds paid for land was to be applied to the of this country the salaries of Colonial promotion of emigration. A very extraGovernors and of their secretaries. But vagant outlay had been made by one of he could not conceive why the Colony the Governors on public buildings; the should not pay the salaries of its chief late Government had refused to honour justice, attorney general, and other offi- his bills; and a sum of 56,0001. had been cers. He would not now divide the House appropriated from the funds acquired by on this Vote; but he wished to state, that the sale of land to defray this outlay, ioit was bis intention, during the next Ses- stead of its being applied to the extension sion of Parliament, to do more than merely of emigration. He wished to know whecall the attention of the House to these ther the Government intended to apply subjects.
the sum which bad thus been taken from Vote agreed to.
the fund to purposes of emigration ? On the Question that the sum of 12,0001. Mr. G. W. Hope said, the agreement be granted to defray the charge for the was that the fund derived from the sale of Civil Establishment at St. Helena, and for land should be liable, in the first instance, pensions and allowances 10 Officers of the to meet any expenses necessary for the East India Company's late establishment purposes of the Government; and that, if in that Island,
it was not so required, it should be applied Mr. Williams said, he thought this Vote to promote emigration. It was, undoubtexcessive in amount. There were in St. edly, the intention of the Government 10 Helena forty officers paid by the people of apply as large a proportion as possible of this country, to govern a population of the money received for the sale of land to 4,800 persons; and the collection of a the promotion of emigration to South Ausrevenue of 15,0001. in that island cost tralia. 2,5931., or about 174 per cent. During Vote agreed to. the war this island was of great impor- On the Question that the sum of 3291. tance to the East India Company, and he be granted in aid of the charge of the Setthought that Company oughi to pay the tlement at Port Essington, salaries and allowances of their retired Mr. C. Buller asked whether there was officers.
any truth in the report, that it was the inVote agreed to.
tention of the Government to establish On the Question that 7,2191. be granted convict Colonies in the northern part of to defray the Expenses of the Settlement New Holland ? of Western Australia,
Mr. G. W. Hope said, there was no inMr. C. Buller said, the population of tention of establishing such a settlement this Colony consisted of 3,476 persons, at or near Port Essingion. He could not and these unhappy people were taxed, for say that such an establishment might not local purposes, to the amount of 9,0701, be formed in the north of New Holland, or nearly 31. a head. He wished to know but nothing had yet been determined on how that money was spent?
the subject. Mr. G. W. Hope said, if the hon, and Vote agreed to. learned Gentleman had given notice of On the Question that the sum of the question, he would have been prepared 11,3531. be granted for Expenses of the answer it.
There were numerous Ecclesiastical, Establishment of the British charges for colonial chaplains, colonial North American Provinces to the 31st of surgeons, and other purposes wbich were May, 1846, not included in the present estimate. Mr. W. Williams objected to the Vote.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, He thought that the proposed amount a considerable sum had been expended in was too much; besides this, he thought this Colony in the erection of public build that the principle of paying the clergy by ings.
votes of this kind was most objectionable, Vote agreed to.
especially in a Colony like Canada. He On the Question that a sum of 3,1711. wished to know what had become of the be granted to defray the Expenses incurred proceeds of the hundreds of thousands of at South Australia,
acres that had been reserved for the Mr. Hindley said, the Government had clergy, and which had been actually sold made an agreement with purchasers of to defray some of the expenses of the land in this Colony, by which the money Colony. Why, he wished to ask, had not
the produce of those sales been applied to inasmuch as they were of but little value. the payment of the clergy? He would di- Let them first train the inhabitants of vide the Committee upon the Vote. those provinces to habits of industry and
Dr. Bowring objecied to the difference civilization, by which means those lands between the amount of salary paid to the might be rendered much more valuable; Protestant and Roman Catholic bishops and then, if they pleased, dispose of them. of Newfoundland and Nova Scotia. But it would be a miserable and mistaken
Mr. Sheil objected to the distinctions economy to do so at present. made between the salaries paid to the Ro. Mr. Sheil observed, that with regard to man Catholic and the Protestant bishops Lower Canada, there were no episcopal in the Colonies. In Newfoundland, for estates there. As yet, too, the Legislaiostance, the salary of the Roman Catholic rive Assembly of Lower Canada was unbisliop was only 751. a year, whilst the disturbed by religious dissensions, and he salary of the Protestant bishop in the thought it would be very bad policy 10 same locality was so large as to afford a introduce such dissension for the sake of remarkable contrast. He thought that so small a sum. distinctions of this kind ought not to be Dr. Bowring opposed the Vote. 80 reinarkably kept up in a Colony inha- Mr. Collett wished to ask, whether on bited by a Roman Catholic population. the decease of the present Colonial bishops
Mr. Hope said, that the sum paid to the the charge would still be continued ? Roman Catholic bishops in Canada was Mr. G. W. Hope said, that the impresthe subject of agreement with the Go- sion was that those charges would cease ; vernment, and must be continued during but that impression depended only upon their lives.
statements made in Parliament, Mr. Sheil said, that he only wished to Mr. Williams observed, that the same call the attention of the House to the dis- assertion had been made in 1845, and yet parity between the payment to the Roman that the Vote remained the same. Catholic clergy and to ihe Protestant Mr. Hope said, that the Vote had been clergy. He thought that a distinction of diminished. this kind ought not to be made.
The Committee divided.--Ayes 60: Viscount Sandon observed, that the Noes 18; Majority 42. Protestant bishop of Newfoundland got nothing at all; and before they proposed
List of the Ayes. any increase to the amount paid to the Roman Catholic bishop, they ought to Acton, Col.
Acland, T. D. Hayes, Sir E. be sure that he would receive it, seeing Barkly, H.
Henley. J. W.
Herbert, rt. hon. S. how much opposed the Roman Catholic Baring, rt. hon. W.B. Hope, J. W. hierarchy of Ireland were to any con
Blackburne, J. I. Hotham, Lord nexion with or payment by the Staie. Borthwick, P.
Ingestre, Visct. Mr. C. Buller said, that the Roman Bowles, Adm. Jocelyn, Visct. Catholic Church in Canada was richly
Bruce, Lord E. endowed. The Catholic clergy in Canada
Bruges, W. H. L. Lincoln, Earl of were well provided for, and most com- Cardwell, E.
Mackenzie, W. F. fortably situated. The Established Church Clerk, rt. hon. Sir G. Masterman, J. was also well provided for. However, Clive, hon. R. H. Meynell, Capt. without wishing io deprive those establish Cockburn,rt.hn.Sir G. Morgan, 0. ments of their endowments, he should Corry, rt. hn. H. Nicholl, rt. hon. J. vole with the hon. Member for Coventry.
Pakington, J. S.
Denison, E. B.
Peel, rt, hn. Sir R. these charges were for the lives of the in. Duncombe, hon. A. Peel, J. dividuals only.
Estcourt, T. G, B. Pringle, A. Mr. C. Buller observed, that if so, if Fitzroy, hon. H. Sandon, Visct. they were merely annuities payable to Fremantle, ri.hn.Sir T. Scott, hon. F. ceriain individuals, he would not oppose
Gardener, J. D. Sheil, rı, hon, R. L. the Vote.
Gaskell, J. M. Smith, rt. ho. T. B. C. Viscount Sandon said, it would be an Goulburn, rt. hon. H. Spooner, R.
Gordon, hon. Capt. Somerset, Lord G. extremely improvident act to dispose of Graham, rt. bn. Sir J. Stuart, H. the clergy revenues at present, as sug. Hamilton, G. A. Tennent, J. E. gested by the hon. Member for Coventry, Hamilton, W.J. Thesiger, Sir F.