Hon. Sir FRANCIS HINCKS had no objection, but the information was already in the Public Accounts.

Mr. JONES drew attention to the claim of Thomas Baxter, which was deserving of

consideration.

The motion was carried.

PURCHASE OF WAR MATERIAL. Hon. Mr, BLAKE moved for correspondence touching the amount of stores purchased by Canada from the Imperial

Government. He had observed that it had been stated in the Imperial Parliament that the Canadian Government had repre sented that the arms and stores had not

been handed over as agreed upon, and that the officer commanding the artillery had replied that the statement was erroneous, ill-founded and hasty. He desired in or. mation on this point.

Hon. Sir GEORGE CARTIER said all

should be referred back to Committee Hon. Mr. BLAKE thought the bill without instructions.

amendment were objectionable it would be Hon. Sir GEORGE CARTIER said if the amended on receiving the report.

Hon. Mr. BLAKE maintained that the whole effect of a Committee of the Whole would be destroyed.

JUDGE JOHNSON.

Mr. FOURNIER moved for copies of the commission of Hon. J. G. Johnson as Judge of the Superior Court.-Carried.

HAMILTON AND PORT DOVER ROAD.

Mr. THOMPSON moved for correspondence relative to the Hamiton and Port Dover Road, He stated that since the road had been handed over to a company it had been allowed to get out of repair, so as to become dangerous. There were only two or three miles of good road, on which they took care to collect tolls. The people of the neighborhood considered the Government culpable in the matter.

Mr. LAWSON thought the complaints were well founded, and hoped the Government would take the matter up, and, if possible, afford some relief.

Hon. Sir FRANCIS HINCKS said that the difficulties in the way could not be removed if to accomplish that the Government were expected to spend money on the road. A sum of money was already due the Government on this road, and he was afraid they would neither get princi. pal nor interest. The Government could not undertake to keep local roads in repair, and they had been attacked for not making the road company fufil their engagements, and pay the money they owe on the purchase.

Hon. Mr: WOOD considered that the company had had ample time to pay the purchase money, and thought that the Government should take the road out of their hands and call for tenders.

The motion was then carried.

would be better to discuss the amendment with the speaker in the chair.

Hon. Mr. HOLTON said the effect of the new course would be to dispense with the first and second reading, as the amend. ment constituted the whole bill.

Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD said the amendment contained no new principle, and a present discussion on the change gave a second reading.

The SPEAKER said the matter rested entirely with the House.

Hon. Mr. WOOD said the change would bring in an entirely new bill, and was out of order, and quoted a precedent.

Hon. Mr. HOLTON spoke to the same effect.

The SPEAKER overruled objection.

Hon. Mr. BLAKE referred to the amendment previously made when he had point. ed out the necessity of amendment to attain the object proposed. Formerly it had been proposed, and the House agreed, that the bill should operate from the issue of the writs, and he was glad that the position which he should bave called

outrageous" had been receded from and to make the period of disqualification that of nomination That would give the Government an advantage that no Government ought to possess. It was now proposed that for the purposes of the hon. gentleman opposite, election for the local House would disqualify for the House of Commons. He did not think the bill was of such great consequence as had been supposed, and did not thnk it would have the effect expected; but he believed the Government would lose in 'he matter on account of the feeling that would be raised throughout the country that they

were using their power for the purpose of thwarting the Local Legislature. He had already voted on the principle of the bill, and he did not propose at any future stage to vote on the bill as it affected Ontario.

Mr. COSTIGAN said that, as the bill had been first arranged, the Ontario Legislature would have time within its terms. He had had some difficulty from inexperience, in framing the bill; but he had not the slightest desire to affect any gentleman opposite, but believed the operations of the bill would be beneficial throughout the country. He believed the member for West Durham to be sincere in his expression in favour of the bill, and had accepted his suggestions. The bill in no way singled out Ontario, but affected all Provinces alike.

Mr. MILLS maintained that Mr. Costi gan had extended his bill to the Province of Ontario in consequence of new light received from the Government. The principle of the bill did not warrant its application to Ontario. He believed the bill to be out of order, but should not raise the question at that moment.

The motion was carried, and the House went into Committee-Mr. Nathan in the chair. The amendment went through Committee.

Hon. Mr. BLAKE said the question of disqualification was being pushed further day after day, and he should hail the day when the principle of the bill previously proposed by the member for Bothwell should be acknowledged. At the same time, it was their duty to guard against a great danger. He then referred to the formation of the company for the construction of the Pacific Railway, pointing out that the Government of the day would have such a control over them that the good will of the Government would make them prosperous. The ill-will of the Government would effect their ruin. He believed that sufficient means had not been provided, and that further applica tions for assistance would yet be made; but in addition to that there was the strongest degree of interest in the question whether they got their land and money as they wanted it. There had already been rumours of discontent on account of an amendment providing that the subsidy shall be payable in proportion to the construction, as that was calculated to hamper the company. Everything was to be left in the hands of the Government, and under those circumstances he enter tained the strongest opinion that it was essential to the independence of the House that they should get out of the walls of the House those gentlemen who

entered the company, which was supported and sustained by the Government, and would have to obtain its resources for the prosecution of the work from the Government of the day. On examining the matter he found that in the list of provisional directors there were twenty-five members of Parliament, and if these directors remained in the House, how long even would the stern virtue of the Minister of of Justice resist an attack of a board of twenty-five members saying to him: "We support you, but we cannot do so if you are so niggardly of the public lands and monies. We want the lands and money faster, and a little more, and we must have them or the next vote of want of confidence may find us on the other side." He moved, therefore, "that the report of the committee be not now received, but that the bill be referred back to the Committee with instructions to make provision_that no person being a shareholder in the Paci fic Railway Company, which is to receive $30,000,000 and 50,000,000 acres of land on terms to be fixed by the Government of the day, shall be eligible for a seat in the House of Commons."

After discussion the amendment was lost. Yeas, 55, nays 90.

Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD admired the Roman virtue of his hon. friend opposite, but it was rather late in the day to display it. The hon. gentleman so much approved of the principle of the bill that he had voted for it the other day much to the disgust and annoyance of his leader, Devoted, however, as the hon. gentleman had been to the principle, he had managed to leave a loop hole for himself by a trick upon his own Legislature before which he had so manfully put his bill as to make the country believe that while he retained a seat in the Commons he would be rightly excluded from the Legislature. He had endeavoured to play two games and to hedge for the double event (laughter.) Although he had been so virtuous as to vote for the second reading, the hon. gentleman seemed now to be disgusted at having been taken at his word. Now, with regard to this reso lution, if the hon. gentleman would look at home he would find plenty of occasion for the exercise of that virtue which he was so anxious to bring into play here, Let him look there and see the many railway bills passed in the last session in which the M.P.P.'s named in them were supporters of the hon. gentleman (cheers). The hypocrisy of the resolution was so evident that it well create a laugh. Why, what had the hon gentleman done? had called the members of the Local Le

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gislature together in a back room, asked them how much they wanted for their rail way, and by settling how much each was to get for his constituency, the hon. gentleman increased his majority from one to twenty, and now he came here and talked of his public virtue (cheers). He (Hon. Sir John) wondered that the hon. gentleman did not sink through the floor with shame at his hypocrisy, for it was nothing more nor less, and the country would certainly regard it in that and no other light (cheers). He (Hon. Sir John) commented upon the disgraceful haste with which the hon. gentleman had rushed his Orders in Council through the Legislature, and yet he had come here with this poor pretence of virtue, expecting that he could impose it upon the country. The resolution was false in principle, for there was no reason why men of means, capable of joining in great enterprises, should be excluded from Parliament. It was a great thing for any Legislature to have included in its ranks men of standing, capital and enterprise, who would put their hands to the plough and help the country in carrying out great works of improvement. The best way to prevent a man from using his influence improperly was to hold him responsible here as a representative. If the House and country knew that a man was connected with an enterprise, he was powerless to aid that enterprise improperly, for if he were to advocate additional grants to it the answer would be, "You are not to judge in this matter; you are not to speak because you cannot speak disinterestedly." The danger was that when men were excluded from openly having an interest, they could hold it in the name of their sons, or brother, or partners, and the hon. gentleman knew what use could be made of partners (cheers and laughter). They would do covertly what they were not permitted to do open ly, and there would be more danger in that because they would operate in the dark and with greater chances of success. The motion was unworthy of the hon. gentleman, because it was intended to transfer a bill for which he had felt himself compelled to vote, but which he now de sired should be thwarted. He (Hon. Sir John) asked whether the hon gentleman, when he appropriated money in aid of the Toronto and Nipissing and other western railways, had made any proposition to exclude from the Legislature of the Province all shareholders in those companies (cheers).

Hon. Mr. BLALE said that, as to the railway subsidy, not a soul in the Local House besides his colleagues had an idea

as to the extent of the aid to railways, nor to which railways the aid was to be given, one day before he announced his policy on the railway question. He warned members that he would not answer on the floor of the House of Commons accusations made against him in regard to local mat. ters. He charged the Minister of Justice with obtaining his information from The Mail which he characterized as the inspired organ of, and as subsidized by, that gentleman.

Hon. Sir GEORGE CARTIER personally was opposed to the principal of the bill because he thought the matter was one for legislation by the Provinces, but would have to oppose the motion of the member for West Durham. He thought it wrong to prevent any member of Parliament in vesting his money in such an undertaking and instanced the many cases of loss by shareholders of Canadian Railways. The member of West Durham being out of his seat, he asked the member for Lambton, if among these railways in the Province of Ontario which received bonuses there were not railways or a railway in which members of the Local Legislature were stock holders.

Hon. Mr. MACKENZIE did not know whether there were or not personally. He had never inquired and did not then know.

Hon. Mr. BLAKE having resumed his seat,

Hon. Sir GEORGE CARTIER put the same question to him, to which he replied that he did not know, and had no idea whether there were or not.

Mr. WHITE (Hastings) said the member for West Durham must know that there were at least two members of the Local Legislature for the County of Hastings who held stock in railways to which bonuses were given.

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Imperial Parliament, and why they should not with the same propriety discuss or al lude to the action of Provincial Legislatures, he could not understand. The hon. gentleman found it very inconvenient, and disliked any allusion to his conduct as a Minister; but the hon. gentleman must remember that as a public man he was public property. That was the only way in which a public man could be judged, and if they did not like it they must alter their course The most extraordinary thing was that the hon. gentleman should object to any attack on his Ministry. He would ask the House whether during the whole of the administration of John Sand field Macdonald those hon gentlemen had not spread throughout the country the cry that he (John Sandfield Macdonald) was the slave of him (John A. Macdonald), and whether on every hustings and in every public place and in the Local and Dominion Houses, they had not brought up again and again the cry that the Ontario (overnment were subject to his influence, and that John Sandfield Macdonald was at the beck and call of John A. Macdonald; and whether there was not a continuous system of attack in the Local Administras tion for its supposed connection with the general administration. (Cheers.) This was the universal course taken by hon gentlemen and to which they now so strongly objected. The hon. gentleman commented in scarcely parliamentary ian guage on a statement he had made, and he concluded by establishing in substance everything he (Sir John) had said. The hon. gentleman admitted what he [Sir John] stated as to the time of bringing down the Orders in Council about the railway grants, and he avoided altogether noticing the fact that, while desiring to drive out of the House everyone connect ed with the Pacific Railway, he never made any inquiries as to whether members were connected with the railways to which he granted subsidies When he was asked whether he knew that members were connected with those railways, he and the member for Lambton said they did not know. He [Sir John] never heard such an admission. The hon. gentleman was responsible for seeing that the money which he was scattering broadcast over the Pro vince was given to solvent persons, and yet he did not know who were the manag. ing directors of the companies to which he gave grants. He would ask the hon. gen. tleman whether Mr. D. D. Calvin did not lay before him as director of the Kingston and Pembroke Railway, a statement in writing claiming a subsidy for that railway on the ground that it had been

promised by the previous Government, and whether it was not signed by Mr. Calvin and by Mr. Robinson, the member. He knew that statement was before the hon. gentleman, and he left it to the House and the country whether there could be any dependence on a man who, whatever his abilities and principles might be, could not remember who the men were to whom he was granting away such large sums of money. If it was so wrong, so contrary to principle that a member of Parli. ament should hold any position on a railway, why did not the hon. gentleman, as a responsible minister, bound to take care of the public money, deal with one of his own colleagues, and make a bargain with him as managing director of an insurance company. (Loud cheers and laughter.) He could just imagine the discussion between the two gentlemen as to the rate to be paid by the Province, and he gave it as an illustration of how absurd the doctrines of the hon. gentlemen were then put to a logical test. As to the Proton scandal, the hon. gentlemen said he had nothing to do with it, and of course they must receive his assertion; but that also might be a lapse of memory. (Cheers and laughter.) and the report of the Committee certainly condemned the Administration of which he was a member, although by some hocus pocus the consideration of that report was postponed until after the next general election. (Cheers) If the hon. gentlemen had been desirous of freeing his Administration of the charge made against it, he would have kept the House sitting until he got its de. cision. The report showed that Mr. Oliver sent a telegram to Mr. Lewis, as Government valuator, for the purpose of his going to the county of Grey, where he went about from door to door, and man to man, telling the voters the result of their voting right. He did not go as a mere election agent, but he went with his original books in his possession after consultation with Mr. McKellar. This was the result of the commit tee's investigation, and the hon. gentleman was very right to deny that he had anything to do with the matter, and it was a proud thing for him as a gentleman and a man that he was freed personally from any cognizance of such a nefarious transaction, for it was an attempt to corrupt represen◄ tation at its very source. (Cheers.)

Hon. Mr. BLAKE said the hon. gentleman had not answered him until an hour after he had spoken, apparently taking time to get primed by his supporters.

Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD-I could not without breaking the rules of the House.

Hon. Mr. BLAKE said he was still in ig.