Mr. CAMERON (of Huron) wished to know the proposed division of Huron. consist of Mayborough, Minto, Arthur, | The latter was in the County of Stormont, Mount Forest, Luther and Amaranth, which had 18,000 people altogether, which having a total population of 18,740. The was divided into the town of Cornwall, Centre Riding to consist of Pilkington, 7,000, and Stormont, 11,000, These Elora, Nichol, Fergus, Garafraxa West and anomalies ought to be got rid of. As to East, Orangeville and Peel, with a popula- the provisions for representing manufac tion of 21,118. South Wellington to con- turing interests, Halifax, in Nova Scotia was sist of Puslinch, Guelph 10wnship, Guelph, entitled to another member, but in Nova Eramosa and Erin, with a population of Scotia the rural constituencies had alone 23.432. been regarded. He denied that manufactures were represented only by members representing cities. Montreal was represented not merely by hon. members, but by those who hailed from that city and represented other constituencies. So was Toronto and instead of having too little weight these cities were charged with having too great influence in the Legisla ture. The principle of representation by population had been practically disregard ed, the changes having been made evi. dently chiefly for political reasons, and he was not surprised that the bill had been brought down at this late stage of the session when there was scarcely time to discuss it. In these few remarks he had merely spoken for himself and would reserve further observations for another stage of the discussion. Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD-The North Riding of Huron is to consist of Howick, Ashfield, West Wawonosh, East Wawonosh, Morris, and Turn berry, with a population of 21, 862. Centre Riding-Colborne, Hullett, McKillop, Tuckersmith, Grey, Town of Goderich, and Village of Seaforth; popu latian 22,791. South Riding-Goderich Township, Stanley, Hay, Stephen Usborne and Clinton village; 21,512. In reply to Mr. STIRTON-Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD stated that Grey would be divided as follows:-North Holland, Sullivan, Sydenham, Owen Sound, Derby, Sarawak, Keppel; with a population of 18,380. East Riding-Pro. ton. Melancthon, Osprey. Artemesia, Collingwood, Euphrasia and St. Vincent; population 22,193. South Riding-Nor manby, Egremont, Bentinck and Glenelg, 18,622. Hon. Mr. BLAKE did not intend to discuss the details, but agreed that the principle of the division of the counties adopted was judicious, making the electoral divisions conterminous with the counties. He agreed that it was not well to urge the doctrine of representation by population too far, although it should be regarded as far as possible. He objected to the position laid down as to manufac turing interests being specially provided for. The counties in Ontario had large manufacturing interests among them, many of which he enumerated, and he denied that cities should be specially regarded as representing manufacturing interests. From that point of view he confessed that the principle on which the constitution was framed was overlooked in the distribution of the seats as proposed by the bill before the House. It was the increased population which should have the increased representation. It was by that increase the six members were given to Ontario, and he could not help feeling that the Government must go further than they had gone to satisfy the country. He believed there were some constituen cies as small as any in British Columbia; Niagara and Cornwall being instances. Mr. WORKMAN was surprised at the changes made in Montreal. He had heard that changes were proposed in the division he represented, which division, by the census, did not show the actual number of voters. He had heard that St. Lawrence Ward was to be added to the Centre Division, but the addition of St. Anne's Ward formed a most unnatural arrangement. That ward contained more than the whole population of Ottawa, and he was at a loss to imagine why he was to be honoured by so large an addition to his constituency. Hon. Sir GEORGE CARTIER said at no very distant day they would have to take into consideration a change in the constituencies, perhaps before the next census. What they were now taking into consideration was a more equitable representation of the Protestant population of Montreal. Montreal Centre contained a majority of Protestants. The Protestant vote was increasing in the St. Antoine and St. Lawrence Wards. With regard to the latter ward, it was now almost entirely settled, but there was a great deal to be settled in St. Antoine Ward. By the last census it was shown that the inhabitants of St. Antoine had increased since the census of 1861, when it was 17,000 to 24,000. In the last few years, too, nearly all the Protestant churches had been removed to these wards; indeed the only Protestant church which remained in the city proper, was the St. James Street Wesleyan Methodist Church. In considering the re-adjustment of the representation of Montreal it became necessary to take into account what was called the " Englishspeaking" population, composed of Irish Catholics and Protestants; and the Protestant population, by the division now submitted, would be the stronger and more influential, in Montreal West, as composed of the St. Lawrence and St. Antoine Wards. In these wards too, he might mention, the Protestant influence was growing greater. With regard to the Irish vote, it remained strongest in the St. Ann's Ward. The number of votes, as it was proposed to arrange it in the West Ward, would be about 9,000. With respect to Montreal Centre, he admitted that it was not fairly represented as it now stood. The bankers and people of wealth who had formerly inhabited Montreal Centre, had gone for the most part into the suburban wards to live; and its inhabitants were now for the most part composed of care-takers and watchmen in warehouses, and the tavern-keepers, who lived near the large markets. A large portion of the merchants had their offices there, as had also the brokers, lawyers, &c., but altogether the number of votes amounted to but 2,100. This information he had obtained from the voters' lists prepared by the officials of the city, on which the voting would take place at the next general elec tions. Since the representation had last been adjusted, the commercial men of influence had removed from the Centre Ward to St. Lawrence and St. Antoine Ward, but by the proposition now made its Centre Ward would have about 25,000 inhabitants. Montreal East would remain as it is for the present. It had a population of 45,000 to 46,000, of which not less than 35,000 were French Canadians. As to the vote, in adding the present Montreal Centre to St. Ann's Ward, it would give about 6,000 votes. In putting St. Lawrence and St. Antoine together it would give 6,014 votes, and Montreal East would have 7,500 votes. But, as he had stated, it might perhaps be necessary ere long to re-adjut the divisions in Montreal, as every one knew that the proposition to enlarge the city limits was now being discussed in the City Council. He then referred to the population of Hochelaga, and said at some future time it might be proper to add Cote St. Paul to Montreal Centre, and the Tanner ies to Montreal West, and then a part of Montreal East might be added to Hoche laga. The present arrangement would, however, operate as follows with regard to votes. Mr. CAMERON (Huron) desired to take the first opportunity to protest against the outrageous propositions of the Bill. If other subdivisions were anything like that proposed in the County of Huron, they were most outrageous. The ridings ought to have been made as compact as possible, instead of which the very reverse was the case. Another object should be that the Townships forming a Riding should be contiguous. This again was not the case, for Townships were taken out of the middle of Ridings and put in others, This, he believed, to have been done in order to operate against him (Mr. Came ron), and it seemed that the Minister of Justice refused to make a fair and just division of the County. He could come to no other conclusion than the friends of the Government had brought pressure to induce them to commit a gross outrage. Mr. STIRTON complained of the divi sion of the County of Wellington, and be. lieved it had been brought about by the pressure at the hands of the friends of the Government. Two rural Townships were attached to a manufacturing commu nity in a most unfair way. Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD said he believed the House generally agreed with him that the county organization should be preserved as much as possible. He had observed this principle, and no county in Ontario had been split up. It was intended that the Bill should not destroy any constituency now existing. If the matter were done de novo, he could not say that Niagara or Cornwall would have a member, but they were established in 1791, and on a subsequent occasion, so averse was the Government of the day, (the Baldwin-Lafontaine) to extinguish them, that they attached to them the townships immediately adjoining, so as to justify their continuing to have a repres sentative. This principle was one that obtained in England, and a constituency was seldom destroyed that had not by bribery or corruption or some other means forfeited all claim to consideration. If this principle of not sweeping away exist ing constituencies were acknowledged, the measure would be found a good one. Huron and Grey were among the largest counties in Ontario, and were entitled to the members assigned them, as also were the cities of Toronto and Hamilton from the number of voters they comprised. In England every Reform bill, from that of 1830 to that of 1865, had tended to increase the representation to the manu facturing portions of the county; so that at the present moment, of the 658 members composing the House of Commons of England, 402 represented cities and Boroughs, and only 256 represented rural constituen cies; and yet the member for West Durs ham objected to the number of manufacturing constituencies in Ontario being increased from nine to twelve. The member for Huron objected to the div.sion made of his county. That division might not be convenient to him, but it met the principle which he and the member for West Durham had both advocated, it very nearly adjusted the representatihn te numerical equality. The number of voters in North Huron would be 21,862, in South Huron, 21,512 and in Centre Huron, 22,792. The House would therefore see Low nearly numerical equality was attained, and the member for Huron would find, on examination, that the townships in the different divisions lay side by side. Mr. CAMERON asked whether Tucker. smith and Goderich were side by side. Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD main. tained that the lay of the Townships in the different divisions was continuous, and it there was an equality of population the hon. gentleman could not charge the Government with acting against him. As to the complaints of the member for Wellington, that member had a little pocket borough of his own of 14,000, while the other two divisions contained 24,000 each. Mr. STIETON said in 1865 the hon. gentleman proposed to make the borough still smaller. Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD said the hon. gentleman knew well that his borough was formed by the Reform party, Mr. Ferguson Blair wishing to retain it in his favor for all time to come. Under the present arrangement the division of population was nearly equalized. The numbers in the three divisions would be 18,741, 21,818 and 23,132 respectively. The hon. gentleman admitted that he was safe under the new arrangement, and also that the liberal par ty was safe throughout the country, and therefore he did not think he need complain. If the hon gentleman admitted that he was safe and that his party was safe, it was clear that, out of his own mouth, the division had not been actuated by poli tical feeling. Mr. CARTWRIGHT asked in what par ticular way the minorities of Ottawa and Hamilton were to have a chance. He believed a well-considered system of minority representation deserved all consideration. He regretted that some such system was not to be introduced. Hon. Mr. DORION referred to the divi sion of the city of Montreal. He did not wish to complain, as he should leave that to the members for that city; but previous. ly the object was to give the mercantile community a vote, now nothing was tɔ be considered but population. Under the Centre, it would be West, and the present present division there was no Montreal Montreal Centre would be a misnomer; it would be Montreal North. The present division was a mere burlesque on the speeches of the leaders of the Government on the former division. He suggested that Point St. Charles should be added to Montreal Centre, and said that he was sure that neither he nor any future member for Hochelaga would be sorry to lose the Grand Trunk votes, which were always given in the way directed by their supe. riors, while the member for Montreal Centre might be glad to obtain those votes. He suggested a new naming of the divi sions, and said the present plan was an entire contradiction to the principle pre viously advocated. Mr. BOLTON regretted that the Gov. ernment had not attempted to remove some anomalies in New Brunswick. In the House there was one member representing five thousand, and others thirty thousand. If the matter was not dealt with now it would stand for five years. Mr. MAGILL did not think it possible that any such scheme could give universal satisfaction, but he maintained the present scheme could not fail to be considered fair and just in every way. He was pleased to find that it gave proper consideration to the manufacturing interests, which had not hitherto been the case. One member for Hamilton was entirely inadequate; for the population of that city was larger than almost any constituency in Ontario. He was satisfied the measure would meet the approbation of the country. Hon. Mr. TILLEY said in the case of New Brunswick, though the population of the different counties was very irregular, it was found that no change could be made without a complete readjustment throughout the Province. It was considered de sirable to retain the present county boun. | it; and it ought not to be so presented to daries, the House. Mr. BOLTON asked whether a change would ever be made. Hon. Mr. TILLEY-Did not say that, but mentioning certain counties, said it was very difficult to equalize the populas tion at present without an entire change of boundaries. In course of time a change might be found practicable. Mr. SNIDER referred to the division of the county of Grey, which he did not consider fair or equal. He suggested changes in the arrangement of the townships which ought to be made to make the division equal. He would state his views more fully on a future occasion. Mr. CAMERON (Huron) suggested that a sketch should be appended to the bill shewing the proposed division. Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD said any one could have reference to the railway maps. The bill was read a first time, and the second fixed for Monday. THE PACIFIC RAILWAY BILL. Hon. Sir GEORGE CARTIER moved the third reading of the Pacific Railway Bill. Hon. Mr. WOOD desired to have an ex> pression of opinion recorded on the constitutional question he had brought forward on a previous occasion. In England, in cases of public works, estimates were brought down and votes asked each year, and so the House retained full control of the public expenditure. He thought the same principle should be adhered to in the present case, and moved, "that the said bill be not now read a third time, but that it be forthwith referred back to a committee of the whole in order to amend the same so that so large a sum as £30, 000,000, and so large a quantity of land as 50,000,000 acres, shall not be at the disposition of the will of the Government of the day, and so that the said money and lands shall only be disposed of by specific annual votes of Parliament from time to time given as shall seem to Parliament right and proper, and so that Parliament shall not be divested of its most important function, namely, control over the public expenditure of the country." He desired that the members should be placed in a proper light before their constituents, and should therefore press a division. Hon. Mr. HOLTON said the amendment was an affirmation of the principle pre. viously set forth by the member for Lamb ton, but with it was blended crudities and crotchets of the member for Brant, which rendered it impossible for him to vote for The members were called in and the amendment declared lost on the following division:-Yeas, 33; nays, 100. Mr. MILLS moved that the bill be not now read a third time, but referred back to a committee of the whole House in order to make provision that the Government should not have power to grant to any company which has amongst its shareholders a member or members of Parlia ment, the public monies or the public lands set apart by the bill for the construction of the Pacific Railway." He said the principle of amendment was fully recognized and he need say nothing in its support. The members were called in and the amendment was lost on the following di vision:-Yeas, 42; nays, 83. The bill was then read a third time and passed amid loud cheers, Sir George Car tier calling out, "All aboard for the West!" FINANCIAL. On motion of Hon. Sir FRANCIS HINCKS the House went into committee to consider a resolution to amend the Act respecting the loan for paying a cer tain sum to the Hudson Bay Company. The committee rose and reported and the resolution was read a second time. The bill based on this resolution was then read a first time. QUARANTINE. On motion of Hon. Mr. POPE the House went into committee on the bill relating to Quarantine. The Committee rose, reported and the bill was read a third time and passed. EMIGRATION AID SOCIETIES. On motion of Hon. Mr. POPE, the House went into committee on the bill to pro vide for the the incorporation of the Emis gration Aid Society, but, upon objection from Hon. Mr. Blake, the bill was allowed to stand over. SALARIES OF JUDGES. Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD moved the House into committee to consider a resolution to amend and extend the sche dule of the Act, 31 Vic. c. 33, and to make provision for the salaries of Judges and Stipendiary Magistrates in the Provinces of Quebec, Nova Scotia, Manitoba and British Columbia, &c. Hon. Mr. BLAKE said he would like some explanation as to a portion of the resolution. They should be told upon what principle the salaries were being paid in British Columbia. He observed that provision was made for an additional Puisne Judge, without stating what the salaries would be in case of vacancies. It was proposed to have six Stipendiary Magistrates, besides three Superior Court Judges. The Act of Union vested the appointment and payment of Stipendiary Magistrates in the Local Governments, and he would like to know why it was necessary for ten thou sand people to have six Stipendiary Magistrates, and why they should be paid by the Dominion. the Stipendiary Magistrates, they were Imperial appointments, and the gentle. men holding those offices performed the duties of County Judges; and, according to arrangement, those salaries must be paid during their incumbency. They were Stipendiary Magistrates, Indian Agents, Gold Commissioners, &c, and were specially required on account of the influx of miners during the gold fever. As to the two pensioners, those were only put on schedule in order that they might be included in the civil list. Although he had not been officially notified, he was aware that since the schedule had been drawn up, one of the pensioners had died, and therefore the pension would not be requir ed. The other was the Colonial Secretary, whose salary must be paid him under the terms of union with British Columbia. Mr. DECOSMOS asked if it was the intention of the Government that the Stipendiary Magistrates should be allowed to continue to hold courts. Judges. Mr. DECOSMOS replied that their duties were to act as Gold Commissioners, as ordinary Magistrates, and as Justices of the Peace, and there was a very general feeling throughout the country against non professional men acting as County Court Judges. He understood that a bill had been passed by the Local Legislature on the subject, and he had hoped the Government would have received it in time to remove a long standing grievance in the country. Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD replied that he mentioned yesterday such portions of the resolution as it then occurred to him required explanation. In Quebec an ad ditional Puisne Judge was allowed for Montreal. In Nova Scotia salaries for two additional judges were voted last year; but, owing to his illness, Legislative au thority had not been obtained. In Manitoba it was provided that the judges might be made available for judicial purposes Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD said as he beyond the bounds of the Province, that understood the matter they performed is to say they were permitted to per-duties analagous to those of County Court form judicial duties in the North West Territory until that country was absorbed into a province or provinces. The salary was $4,000, the smallest salary given to any Superior Court Judge. In the Province of British Columbia there was a Chief Justice and a Puisne Judge, whose salaries were fixed by the Imperial Govern ment, and could not be reduced during the life-time of the present incumbents. He had inserted one Puisne from the fact that he had had communication with the Lieutenant Governor of British Columbia on the importance of having a third Judge there. He thought it was in the highest degree desirable that there should be a Court of three- in consequence of having only two Judges there might be frequent failures of Justice on account of difference of opinion, He was under the impression that the Local Legislature had passed an Act with that provision, but the certified copies of the Act had not yet been received, and he had therefore provided for the additional judge. The reason he had only asked the House to vote the salaries of the present judges was that he fancied it would be the early duty of the new Parliament to consider the salaries of the judges of the Superior Court, which were not in a satisfactory state at the present time, therefore he had not put in any salaries for vacancies by death. It it should be thought well to provide for such a contingency, he would recommend $4,000 per annum for the Chief Justice, and $3,200 for the Puisie Judges. With respect to Hon. Mr. BLAKE-We pay the Gold Commissioners then. Hon. Sir JOHN MACDONALD-Yes, so long as they act as County Court Judges. The difficulty is that there is an objection in the province to non-professional men being placed at the head of the County Courts. Under the arrangement with British Columbia all these gentlemen must be employed or pensioned at twc-thirds salary. He understood that they were men in the prime of life, and had no doubt they would be only, too glad to get the pensions and employ their energies whereever they pleased. Mr. MILLS-Six Stipendiary Magistrates and three Superior Court Judges to a population of 10,000. Hon Sir JOHN MACDONALD said the great rush of foreigners and miners to the gold fields had rendered the appointments necessary. The provision had been ap proved by the House and would have to be carried out. The salaries were the |