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PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES

OF THE

CONVENTION

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OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA. 7,77 eng

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TO PROPOSE

IENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION,

COMMENCED AT HARRISBURG MAY 2, 1839.

VOL. V.

Reported by JOHN AGG, Stenographer to the Convention :

ASSISTED BY MESSRS. WHEELER, KINGMAX, DIAKE, AND Y'KIN LET.

HARRISBURG:

PRINTED BY PACKER, BARRETT, AND PARKE.

1838.

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PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES

OP THE

CONTENTION HELD AT HARRISBURG,

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SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1837

1. Martes etenied the following motion, which was agreed to,

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: Coretion will wo day dispense with the daily recess, and Tenis dienas

, vil skipura to meet again at nine o'clock on Monday X. Cenas

, fra the commitee appointed for the purpose of aacerhang and reporting to the Convention the most eligible place for the sents el de Convention during the sessions of the staie legislature, Toen det bare given the subject due deliberation ; and notwithstanda ter enest desire to bring the labours of the Convention to a speedy det

, en animously of opinion, that it is impracticable to do so prior to he tine si te meeting of the legislature

. Many of the important fins ara oleh have been agitated, have not yet been acted upon; and it wedd aill return for the conídence reposed in this body by the peo

pie a Pezsylvania, to pass upon any of the important principles conExt in the fundamental law of the government, without a reasonable

dat low rekection and discussion.

die momentos a subject ax is now submitted to their deliberation.

T'est the people of this commonwealth will look to this body for full od cestory reasons for all the changes proposed to the existing Conmahn, and are therefore not anxious that the Convention should act minds and tables for be purpose of making a speedy disposition

The your committee are unanimously of opinion, that it would greatly me and the business of the Convention, as well as of the legislature, to women in Harrisburg after the meeting of that body, and that the most egne place for the Convention to assemble to finish their labors, will

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Ir. MARTIN submitted the following motion, which was agreed to,
:

That the Convention will to day dispense with the daily recess, and
enit adjourns, will adjourn to meet again at nine o'clock on Monday
ning."
[r. Cochran, from the committee appointed for the purpose of ascer-
ng and reporting to the Convention the most eligible place for the
ions of the Convention during the sessions of the state legislature,
e the following report, viz:
hat they have given the subject due deliberation; and notwithstand-
their earnest desire to bring the labours of the Convention to a speedy
, are unanimously of opinion, that it is impracticable to do so prior
e time of the meeting of the legislature. Many of the important
tions which have been agitated, have not yet been acted upon; and it
Id be an ill return for the confidence reposed in this body by the peo-
of Pennsylvania, to pass upon any of the important principles con-
d in the fundamental law of the government, without a reasonable
for reflection and discussion.
hat the people of this commonwealth will look to this body for full
satisfactory reasons for all the changes proposed to the existing Con-
ion, and are therefore not anxious that the Convention should act
visedly and rashly, for the purpose of making a speedy disposition
momentous a subject as is now submitted to their deliberation.
uat your committee are unanimously of opinion, that it would greatly
d the business of the Convention, as well as of the legislature, to
in in Harrisburg after the meeting of that body, and that the most
ole place for the Convention to assemble to finish their labors, will

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nia. Your committee, therefore, offer the fol

M: SEELITO was suborized, he said, to say that the people of Har. raburg Fond fit op a place for the meeting of the Convention at their

on do adjourn on Saturday, the 18th instant, to meet in dnesday, the 22d inst, en on the second reading of the resolution, it tive; yeas 58, nays 19. ster, moved to amend as follows:

adjournment of this Convention to meet at place, would be attended with great delay and of its business, and a consequent increase of Wealth: and that therefore the adoption of such edient and improper: likely that the business of the Convention will be brought eeting of the legislature, when this body deems it right

that a place may be prepared for the holding of its ses ary of this Convention is hereby directed (under the superent,) to have the partition between the supreme court and in this capitol removed, and have the same, or some ace, furnished in a plain and cheap manner, for the tempo

Mr. Stevens hoped the gentleman world withdraw the motion to postpore. The aderies of Harrisburg had ofered to fit up a room at their OFI expense

. He called for the reading of the coumunications of the cinnissagens al Dephin county, and the council el Harrisburg, which being read on the secretary,

Me Snte mihdrew his motion.

W. Bester then modified his amendment, by omiting the last sen-
Ya, sech related to the adjournment of the Convention sine die, on
had de Deraber rent.

M. Kasur said, that the communications of the authorities of Ha-
TEHNI

, sent tot esplicit as to whether they would fit up a room at their
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. It might term out that after the room was fitted ep, ube W wekl be presented to the Convention for payment, as had been done an a kemer eccasion. The legislature having to pay the expense of tirting up a room for the supreme court, which it was understood the fan samen ef Dauphin county would fit up. The communication of the uni of Philadelphia

, however

, were clear on this point, that they
raid fi no a noem at their own expense. He, therefore, called for the
madag of dis sininention, and it was read to the Convention.
H1 H'Diwal Erde z kw remarks as to the propriety of finding

lester dan in Harrisburg, for the Convention.
X. Histou made war explanations in reply to the remarks of Mr.
x Deorum and then called for the yeas and says on his amendment

Etce, moved to postpone the further consideration her with the resolution until Monday week. or the yeas and nays on the motion to postpone, d were yeas 36, nays 71, as follows: Barndollar, Brown of Northampton, Clark, of Dauphin, eger, Crain, Crawford, Crum, Cummin, Curll, Darrah, Dickvilmore, Hlayhurst. Hiester, Keim, Kerr, Maclay, Magee, fontgomery, Nevin, Read, Rogers, Royer, Seltzer Shellit), ke-36. Ayres, Baldwin, Barclay, Bedford, Biddle, Brown, of Phila

Chandler, of Philadelphia, Chauncey, Clarke, of Beaver, pe. Cox, Craig, Cunningham, Denny, Dickey, Dillinger, ering, Forwand, Foulkrod, Fry, Grenell

, Harris

, Hastings, pson, of Allegheny, Hopkinson, Houpt, Hyde, Ingersoll, her, Krebs, Long, Lyons, Mann, Martin, M'Dowell. Merellock. Purviance. Reigart, Riter, Russell, Saeger, Scheetz, ib, Sturdevant, Tazzart, Thomas, Told, Weaver. White,

Te question then recurring on the amendment of Mr. Hiester, the bere te barber continued by Messrs. Brows, of Philadelphia, and

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3. Mr. Stresi suggested to Mr. Hiester, to withdraw his amend. 24 and to substitute there for a resolution to the effect " that this Com Ferdine vel continue its sessions at Harrisburg, provided the town coun. 2. d Mariskang

, and the commissioners of the county of Dauphin, will en op a proper place at their own expense

, and notify the Convention of den determination within one week from this time."

MeHeter deelining to accept this modification, the question tlen o his amendment which was decided in the negative, by the fol

was

ot, President-71. ipone was determined in the negative. re, then moved to postpone the further considerautil Wednesday next, and called for the yeas and hich were ordered. delphia county, thought the Convention was as his question now, as they would be at any future i economy, he thought the sooner it was setiled

Tile Banks, Bardollar, Bedford, Bigelow, Bront, of Northampton,

eles, Clarke, of Indian, Cleasinger, Craig, Crain, Crawford, Cummin, Curll, hetk, Whalersin, Gearbart, Hayburst, Hiester, Keim, Kerr, Magee, M'Call, Merkel, Bar, Winaganery, Nerin, Read, Royer, Sellers, Seltzer, Shellito, Sill, Smyth, Steri

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Ventiles. Aguer, Ayres, Baldwin, Barclay, Biddle, Brown, of Philadelphia,

Cory Chandler

, of Philadelphia, Chauncey, Clarke, of Beaver, Clark, of Dauphin, the Centre, Cochran, Cope, Cor, Crum, Cummingham, Denny, Dickey, Dillinger, paup, Parte. Farrely, Plemang, Forward, Foulkrod, Fry, Fuller, Gilmore, Grenell, busi Hastanes, Haja

, Helfenstein

, Henderson, of Allegheny, Hopkinson, Houpt,

ire, was as much in favor of economizing as any would turn out between this and Wednesday nexi, Carrisburg would provide a room for the Convenason for going to the expense of moving to Phila

Mr. SHELLITO was authorized, he said, to say that the people of Harburg would fit up a place for the meeting of the Convention at their in expense. Mr. STEVENS hoped the gentleman would withdraw the motion to postne. The authorities of Harrisburg had offered to fit up a room at their in expense. He called for the reading of the communications of the mmissioners of Dauphin county, and the council of Harrisburg, which ing read by the secretary, Mr. Smyth withdrew his motion. Vr. Hiester then modified his amendment, by omitting the last senrce, which related to the adjournment of the Convention sine die, on 2 22d of December next. Mr. Reigart said, that the communications of the authorities of Harburg, were not explicit as to whether they would fit up a room at their n expense. It might turn out that after the room was fitted up, the I would be presented to the Convention for payment, as had been done a former occasion. The legislature having to pay the expense of ing up a room for the supreme court, which it was understood the mmissioners of Dauphin county would fit up. The communication of

council of Philadelphia, however, were clear on this point, that they juld fit up a room at their own expense. He, therefore, called for the ding of this communication, and it was read to the Convention. Mr. M'Dowell made a few remarks as to the propriety of finding commodations elsewhere than in Harrisburg, for the Convention. Mr. HIESTER made some explanations in reply to the remarks of Mr. Dowell, and then called for the yeas and nays on his annendment ich were ordered. The question then recurring on the amendment of Mr. Hiester, the ate was further coritinued by Messrs. Brown, of Philadelphia, and AD, of Susquehanna. When Mr. Stevens suggested to Mr. Hiester, to withdraw his amend. nt, and to substitute therefor a resolution to the effect " that this Conition will continue its sessions at Harrisburg, provided the town counof Harrisburg, and the commissioners of the county of Dauphin, will ip a proper place at their own expense, and notify the Convention of ir determination within one week from this time." Ir. Hiester declining to accept this modification, the question was en on his amendment which was decided in the negative, by the foling vote :

---Messrs. Banks, Barndollar, Bedford, Bigelow, Brown, of Northampton, onhers, Clarke, of Indiana, Cleavinger, Craig, Crain, Crawford, Cummin, Curll, -ah, Dickerson, Gearhart, Hayhurst, Hiester, Keim, Kerr, Magee, M'Call, Merkel, "T, Montgomery, Nevin, Read, Royer, Sellers, Seltzer, Shellito, Sill, Smyth, SteriStickel, Taggart--36. AYS--Messrs. Agrew, Ayres, Baldwin, Barclay, Biddle, Brown, of Philadelphia, y, Chandler, of Philadelphia, Chauncey, Clarke, of Beaver, Clark, of Dauphin, ė, Coates, Cochran, Cope, Cox, Crum, Cunningham, Denny, Dickey, Dillinger, lop, Earle, Farrelly, Fleming, Forward, Foulkrod, Fry, Fuller, Gilmore, Grenell, ris, Hastings, Hays, Helffenstein, Henderson, of Allegheny, Hopkinson, Houpt,

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